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As far as the last kennedy to die. What an incredible idiot. An unexperienced pilot, puts his wife into the plane and takes off during a storm and then kills them both by flying straight into the sea. And then to make matters worse and insult the Navy, they spend millions of our dollars to dredge this freak up from the bottom of the ocean and turn right around and put him back with a burial at sea aboard a US Naval ship. I have one word for the Kennedy's

LOSER'S ALL OF THEM.

Who skied into a tree and killed themselves, I believe it was a kennedy and then Sony Bono, there is a pair.

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Originally posted by RyanH:
I've recently heard some conservative journalists referring to the Bush family Dynasty, relating them to the Kennedys. The Bushes are not the Kennedys. George Bush didn't do shit while he was in office, except win a war, that was really only fought for oil. Look at Kennedy's shining accomplishment: civil rights. In short, the whole Kennedy clan is guided by a sense of purpose for the public. Teddy Kennedy has been a guiding voice in the
Senate for the rights of workers, minimum wage increase, national healthcare, civil rights....etc. Not to mention the arts, the class, the spirit, the Kennedy's brought to the white house. The Bushes are no camelot.

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and the post last week how he turned a 600,000 dollar investment into millions with the Texas Rangers is false...They were losers when he was there and they were losing money when he was there....The only thing he has done to my knowledge succefully is win 2 terms as Gov. Which I think he's done a pretty good job considering how all the people outside of Texas said he has no power and hasn't done anything....and despite what AL boy is saying test scores that the state uses to Graduate people threw the school systems on a whole is up in this state...The reason why we have more people uninsured, cause the population that is also counted by the census here includes non U.S. citizens that work here legally and illegally...I did some work helping the Census being passed out and It shocked the hell out of me to see how many people I went to were not from the U.S. and had minium wage jobs working in farm fields and other physical labor jobs...

The bottom line the Kennedys are adored cause JFK was killed, and all their wild scandals show just how far money and power will go to get someone off the hook. JFK Jr's death was sad but not worth the Tax money spent to find his body...If it was any of us they would have left us there.

I don't think the Kennedy's had a dynasty for anything except for being Murdered...I like the older Bush because what was deemed as bad policy during his vice presidental days has set up this Economy for what we have now, plain and simple...All those Tax breaks the Dem talk about have set up this economy for the rewards we are recieving...Clinton and his Croonies shouldn't get any credit at all...His Executive policies haven't done anything and I am willing to bet no one here and no one in washington can point to anything he's pushed on Capital hill for any contribution to the economy.

It's simple: More investment now means more possibilty of profit in the future...I dislike the Dem. more then the Repb but when it all comes down to it, they all are full of it somewhere in the priorities.

JFK didn't get the Social reforms he wanted passed....LBJ did that...LBJ was the one that passed those signficant Social reform laws that JFK mentioned....Those laws which worked then in some ways are providing a source for reverse racisim in this country today...Can anyone here name ANYTHING Important that JFK passed while he was in office???

The older Bush was here to lead us threw a war that was necessary...No oil means no energy...sounds simple to me...Considering Kuywait has significant oil resources and the Saudis were threatned with that invasion it was something we had to do...I do believe though that JFK would have pulled the Advisors from Vietnam out had he not been killed.

JFK is also responsible for the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

He was such a bad commander in chief that he makes Clinton look great. (Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, etc.)

RFK was such a loser that after he was appointed attorney general, he went after the organized crime types that had a lot to do with JFK's election.

Have a nice day.

Matt

if you want nationalized health care
please take your ass to canada
it aint that far

minimum wage increases
increase consumer price index
do you think the employer is gonna take the hit
hell no
SHIT ROLLS DOWN HILL

He figured he'd wash up on shore.

Let's see Ted wants total gun ban, take away 2nd Amendment, tax the shit out of us middle class and give us no break, yet he uses all the loop holes to save his ass with taxes, wants socialized health care, same with his freakin offspring and relations. The only other thing that JFK commanded was Pt 109 and he let himself get run over by a Japenese Destroyer, ya, I like him...losers all of 'em

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Kennedy's wartime service is commendable. No one on any of these posts has discredtied that. (Want to play games? That's typical left wing shit - introduce an unrelated topic to counter an established point. Gore is a master of this)

But sticking to the topic:

The established point is that Kennedy was a shitty commander in chief, despite his commendable service. The Bay of Pigs and Cuban missile crisis prove this.

And WE should learn history?

Matt

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bad brains, you still didn't bother to go in the why. You may not like the why, but it represents the reality of the situation. Yes, we did try to bomb Saddam out of existence, but we couldn't go after him outright. That would have seriously jeaporidized the coalition which we could not afford to have fall apart. It was so important that we were able to convince Israel not to retaliate which is a damn near impossible task. It almost didn't happen, but they did understand the importance of maintaining the coalition. To enter Baghdad and physically overthrow the government would mean that we would of had to of occupied Iraq. That opens a whole new can of worms. Plus, not only would the coalition have disintegrated had that been or appeared to be the objective, but many of those "allies" would have become downright hostile toward us if we were to occupy an arab nation. He also had to fight of intense pressure from home and abroad (i.e. Russia, plus their meddling was another major hurdle) to not take any action at all. Some democrats even spoke of impeachment. Foreign policy is not black and white as the Clintons would like it to be. The world respects Bush. The world laughs at Clinton (and us, for re-electing the simpleton).

can you smell the moonlight bbq from where you live

Iran hates us more than anyone - Saddma is a good buffer against them because Iran and Iraq hate each other too.

There is no real danger in having Saddam there. He is an absolute moron of a commander in chief.

When we put the 82nd Airborne division in the desert, we didn;t have any tanks or anything atthat point. It took a while to get the armor there.

If Hussein wanted a war, he could have attacked us then and there, and the 82nd would have been in a world of shit, speedbumps in the sand.

But he didn't. Then when the war started, his troops didn't give us "the mother of all battles" (straight up propoganda) - instead they turned and ran.

Hussein presents no danger to anyone but his own people. In fact, we could have annihilated Baghdad just by bombing the dams along the Tigris and Euphrates river and flooding the city away.

It makes sense to leave him there, given that countries like Iran, Syria, etc would rush in to fill the void.

Why is that? Why do the dems always resort to blind emotional rage when something doesn't go their way, like this thread. Yeah, I know exactly what PT109 is and I know how it happened. He served honorably during the war, doesn't change the fact he got his ship sunk and damn near our country.

As for Husseing, Matt is right, I personally believe we should have 86'd him myself, but that is not what we did. And we were freakin lucky or something else was up because any one with an ounce of brains would not have allowed us to build our forces up and create the coalition.

As for the Kennedy's so you like 'em not your fault. But, I guess you don't mind giving up your First Amendment rights or your Second or your fourth, or your Fifth.

Too much yelling on this thread.

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