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chesty

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posted September 28, 2000 08:33 PM

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What I am after is not the religious implications or God won't allow that etc... what I am looking for is your opinion and any scientific/mathematical proof that it can be done.

If it can be done, would you change your past, your future, your present?... In other words, if I go back in time and say kill a butterfly would that alter my present existence or in this case the future I would return to? Really think about this one. Is time linear? Is there only one Universe and one time line?

I expect better participation tomorrow. We got some brainiac's on here let's use 'em.

Or else...


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Future One

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posted September 28, 2000 09:12 PM

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Heh heh, I guess you're reffering to me.
I don't think time can be altered, because I'm sure there's a law that would not allow you to change your past. Example:

If I went back to see myself two years ago, and tell myself that Bill Phillips is a fraud, I would remember such event. Since I do not, then it never happened and never will.

In Science Fiction, you always see the character make every effort not to meet themselves, because it could disrupt history.
I don't think this is possible, because the character does NOT remember EVER bumping into himself, therefore even if he tried to meet himself, something would not allow the event to happen.

As far as God, I think he created a bubble of spacetime which we call our "Universe"
and he lives outside of it. That's why it's useless to ask "Where did God come from? How can he exist forever?" well, you're trying to impose temporal laws to him that do not affect him. You're trying to understand God from "our" point of view, not "His" that's the mistake.

(Sorry, I had to bring God into this, no religious zealotry here, just my opinion.
BTW, I guess you can tell I've been getting my EFA's and my Ginkgo Biloba...)

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~~~SlickassBiatch~~~

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posted September 28, 2000 09:15 PM

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Chesty are you like on the computer 24/7 or what?


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superdave

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Time travel to the past: not possible, time travel to the future: possible in theory. In order to travel into the future at a much faster rate than the rest of the universe you need to be travelling at close to the speed of light. If anyone saw the movie the planet of the apes where they travelled into the future about 1000 years yet only aged one or two, this can actually happen in theory. One would need a spaceship to accelerate at 1 gravitational force for a good while, say 5 years, at the speed that is eventually reached (approaching the speed of light) accelerated time travel into the future is achieved. This has been proven in real life by synchronizing two atomic clocks and sending one on a high speed jet then comparing the two clocks, the one on the jet was ahead by a few seconds or a minute or whatever.

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5setsofsix

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posted September 28, 2000 10:13 PM

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Chesty you've been posting some heavy duty stuff lately. Pretty deep for an old jarhead.

I think anything is possible and I think one day technology will advance to the point where we figure out how to cure all disease, upload our minds into computers, time travel and live virtually forever. But Einsteins theory of relativity says time travel is impossible. To do so you have to travel faster than the speed of light and E=MC2(thats supposed to be squared) prevents it. The faster you go the greater your mass and the more energy it takes to move. So you eventually get to the speed where your mass is infinite and it takes infinite energy to move you so you never reach the speed of light. But one day somebody will probably figure out a way around it.

If you havent already done so, you should probably read "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking. He's a physicist that hold a position at Cambridge once held by Newton. He has Lou Gehrigs disease and can no longer speak or move. I think he does most of his work in his head. How he keeps track of the math calculations is beyond me. The book is a good read about time travel, black holes etc. I read it 4 or 5 times and still get lost after the first 30 or so pages but some of it sinks in anyway. Let me know what you think if you read it.



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posted September 28, 2000 10:18 PM

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I understand that timetravel to the past is possible. Say for example you are near a black hole.

You shoot a laser beam toward the black hole, being careful the laser doesn't fall into the event horizon. Just close to the event horizon.

You circle around to the other side of the black hole, staying equidistant to the center of the black hole.

When you reached the other side of the black hole, you would have beat the laser beam there, since the laser beam going down FAR close to the event horizon, had a farther path to follow. You would have traveled faster than light, and you would have time traveled a little bit in the past.


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posted September 28, 2000 10:21 PM

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Ahh, but there are loop holes. Worm holes not only can transport you over great distances, but can, theoretically, be used to transverse time (i.e. exit the worm hole and being able to see yourself entering it). It's been a while and that may be the result of some curious effect of the space-time relationship. Creating worm holes also takes an enormous amount of energy that we may be able to harness one day in the very distant future. Another good book to check out is "Hyperspace" by Michio Kaku.

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Future One

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posted September 28, 2000 10:29 PM

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JohnnyO that's not really time travel because the physics near a wormhole are changed because of the intense amount of gravity.

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Dread Lord Good Guy

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posted September 28, 2000 10:45 PM

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fuck you people, listen to dave

step 1. Get some fhat d00p apes.
step 2. Make em apes a big bannna shapes boat.
step 3. Throw some smake down doggie shit at da apes.
step 4. make sure da shit is future cause u ani't fuking with da past banna time boo ya yang
step 5. funky freestylzing apes travel in time and shit, u got time travlel


SuperDave, to the rescue.


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Dread Lord Good Guy

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posted September 28, 2000 10:47 PM

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Apes, not just the missing link, but also the key link to time travel.

Fucking apes always got the upper hand at that science and shit.

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dread_lady

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posted September 28, 2000 10:48 PM

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omg
i am ashamed to know u sometimes

u fuckhead.... lol

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Dread Lord Good Guy

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posted September 28, 2000 10:49 PM

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Steven Hawkings vs. alot of fucking apes


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JohnnyO

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posted September 28, 2000 10:50 PM

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I want some of what you're smokin dread guy.


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dread_lady

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posted September 28, 2000 10:50 PM

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what about penguins?

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dread_lady

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posted September 28, 2000 10:50 PM

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it's MY smokey stuff

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Dread Lord Good Guy

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posted September 28, 2000 10:52 PM

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u and those smoking sticks

sticks of fire


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posted September 28, 2000 10:54 PM

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little stinky chewbacca's

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posted September 28, 2000 10:56 PM

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Dread has some choice shit to smoke, I was there a couple weeks ago and got baked....I was seeing apes travelling in time too afterwards....BWAAAAAAA

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Dread Lord Good Guy

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posted September 28, 2000 10:58 PM

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between dave and melissa

if i ask for any smoke, they beat me up and stuff me in a can

i have to resort to huffing gasoline


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posted September 28, 2000 11:23 PM

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because you are weak

I pity the foo'!!!!!

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Dread Lord Good Guy

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posted September 28, 2000 11:25 PM

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im going to work out so u cant bully me anymore


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posted September 28, 2000 11:27 PM

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i think this thread died

U MURDERER!

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I will admit that I havn't read all of the replies to this post, just the first two or three. It's too hard to hold my attention, I'm drunk. Anyways, I know that Eientsteins theory is junk. Scientist have proven that the speed of light is not the fastest speed travel as possible. Scientist have sent a beam of light, that appears a moment before you press the button that is supposed to make the light appear. Therefore, I believe time travel to the past is possible. The doctor that I heard on the radio quoting this is Bruce Goldberg. I think his website is http://www.drbrucegoldberg.com I'm off to bed, what weird dreams will probably occur tonight. GOODNIGHT


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posted September 29, 2000 01:38 AM

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a drunk monkey,,,,

hmmm,,,,


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apes? Chesty, you are going apeshit with all these highly intelectual ?s. Im just a sorry ass sophmore in college and i have to admit, physics and high level math arnt my strong suits, but hell, ill give it a shot. I think its not possible. Time is a relative thing that the universe does not know. Whats done it done and it cant be revisited. The thing about the light passing the black hole, light is bent into the black hole to the distance the light would travel from A to B it bent from a straight line into a parabola, making the trip longer allowing you to get to point B before it. But then again, maybe a black hole will take you there. It is a hole right, a hole to what? I was thinking about the looking at galaxies far away and realizing that it was the galaxy billions of years ago(looking back in time) but i dont see how that will work with people. There it is WAY over my head and everyone elses for that matter. Hell we cant even travel through our galaxy!
I wont see it in my lifetime, thats for sure.


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Yes... I would elaborate, but then I would have to kill you. But then I would go back in time, and not tell you. Therefore, you would still be alive, again...

In order to make time travel possible one would have to assume that the only place to go would be the past. If you start talking about the future before it happens you will have to argue with the religious nuts. ie. You could find out exactly when/if Jesus was going to return.

In order to go into the past one would have to assume that experiences repeat themselves continuously in space. If one could move faster than the speed of light, and bend time to make point a and point b the same, you would have to think it is possible.

Why even wonder about this? What a damn headache it would be anyways. Watch Sliders and TimeCop. Just dream about the shit.


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posted September 29, 2000 04:28 AM

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Would I change my past? Fuckin right I would! I'd go back, take out a loan and buy whatever stock I knew was going up, retire and live free from the chains of a nine-to-five.

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posted September 29, 2000 04:43 AM

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Well I used to drop a lot of acid back when it really contained LSD and I would say that I think .....maybe it might ......uh,what was the question?


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YES, you can travel through time, someone just posted about an experiment inwhich a light particle traveled at 300 x C^2 through a cesieum vacume. I just got to find a way to make it work on a mass scale so that I can go back in time and get-wit that big titted brunette that I regret not doing in HS. TO THIS DAY! God those tat-tas were huge and straight, like two torpedoes coming right at ya! Cute too.

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posted September 29, 2000 11:13 AM

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Hey chesty you make my day!
They have already figured out how to get to the past. There is one problem though.
They have not found enough speed to get back.
The speed has to be equal to twice the speed of light in order to get back!
Using Einsteins notes they have come up with a bubble like vehicle in which time on the vehicle stands still yet the time outside the vehicle is altered 2x the speed of light!
No Einsteins theories are not bullshit like some of you seem to believe. They were just not complete. We are just now begining to understand his theories and using them by adding his and ours.
I am not going to get into a debate with anyone here. It is a fact that it is now possible to use warps through time.
The U.S has already done several tests, but they are afraid of future consequences.


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posted September 29, 2000 11:14 AM

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Hey chesty you make my day!
They have already figured out how to get to the past. There is one problem though.
They have not found enough speed to get back.
The speed has to be equal to twice the speed of light in order to get back!
Using Einsteins notes they have come up with a bubble like vehicle in which time on the vehicle stands still yet the time outside the vehicle is altered 2x the speed of light!
No Einsteins theories are not bullshit like some of you seem to believe. They were just not complete. We are just now begining to understand his theories and using them by adding his and ours.
I am not going to get into a debate with anyone here. It is a fact that it is now possible to use warps through time.
The U.S has already done several tests, but they are afraid of future consequences.


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chesty

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posted September 29, 2000 11:26 AM

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Good answers!

But for travel into the past would it neccesarily alter our reality? Think of the Universe as one of many parallel universes. Everytime we make a decission, we create a new reality (universe) and so the branching goes. So, in the past you say kill a butterfly that is a new path (universe) which does not alter the reality of those living in that time. Now, the question is, can we jump from universe to universe? and travel back in time in that universe?

I have read all books mentioned and then some.

Forward time travel is possible, most picked up on this. You don't have to travel close to the speed of light but to make meaningful, if you to travel at 0.9999999999999999999c, (yes, that many nines) it would take you 27 years to get to the Adromeda galaxy and 27 years back. Unfortunately almost 5 million years would have elapsed back on earth. This is due directly to Special Relativity.


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