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Frackal

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posted September 25, 2000 08:28 PM

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Today when I was at the gym I decided to go talk to the guy with the biggest/best physique there. He said he's doing a show this sunday and he is 6.5' tall and weighs 195 @ 4% BF. Now the kicker is that he's doing the Natural Colorado...well... I highly doubt this guy's natural for the following reasons:

1. He doesn't train with a lot of intensity.
I figure to get to that level of developement naturally you'd at least have to try your best.

2. He doesn't really squat or deadlift. These are a natural (and unnatural) trainer's best friend IMO.

3. It's just a 'feeling' I have when I look at him and his physique. Yes I realize that's pretty weak but...

Anyway, he never actually said he was a natty but of course it's implied that you are when you do a natural show. IMO he doesn't look like he's 'on' right now, but I'm wondering if natty shows usually test for things like T3 and Clen.

I just don't see how this guy could get into that type of shape with minimal intensity drug free...what do you think?

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JohnnyO

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posted September 25, 2000 08:38 PM

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I wouldn't underestimate genes in such developement, but at 6'5" and 195 you said? Sounds like you have more muscle mass than him.


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chesty

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posted September 25, 2000 08:41 PM

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Depends on the sanctioning body, I know the NGA tested for everything under the sun and gave everyone a lie detector test.

Now, in all fairness there are some that naturally can achieve that hard look that some of us need the juice for. In other words the genetically gifted. Give 'em the benifit of the doubt until your doubts are proven.

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Frackal

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posted September 25, 2000 08:47 PM

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No not 6' 5" sorry. 6 feet and 1/2 inch LOL. I don't know why the hell I wrote it like that. My bad.


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Slopain

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posted September 25, 2000 08:51 PM

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Yeah but 6'5" 190?? I think it supposed to be 6' 1/2" right? even then not great. Maybe he doesnt use, maybe he does..I can never tell unless I see someone, and even then sometimes I pick wrong. Genetics are a bitch, havocs walking around jacked like a fuckin bull, and I got my genes from a crackhead.

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Frackal

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posted September 25, 2000 09:02 PM

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Yeah slopain. Basically he's 6 feet tall. Maybe it is genetics, but still, even Havoc trains hard..


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havoc

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posted September 25, 2000 09:19 PM

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It could go either way Frackal, maybe he used maybe not, his height and weight is easy to attain naturally. Musclemag this month did a so called interview with a top Natural competitor calling him Mr.X for anonymous purposes, now first I think the whole interview was made up and complete bullshit but in it Mr. X said before a contest he has his blood cleaned and sometimes extracts his urine from a tube stuck up his dick that leads into the bladder just to be safe and puts in clean urine. There are many ways to pass a drug test. Mr X is a top so called natural competitor who uses more than the pros but knows the ins and outs of passing all of the test. Just a little info.

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Frackal

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posted September 25, 2000 09:47 PM

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Yes 6 foot 195 is relatively easy to attain naturally, hell that's just about exactly what I weigh. However, my bodyfat is closer to 10 possibly 11%, and I'm not carb depleted like him. He said his normal off-season weight is 235 or so. My main thing is that HE DOESN'T TRAIN HARD. I mean I train my fucking ass off, and that's one of the main reasons why I've progressed. He doesn't, so...

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Warik

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posted September 25, 2000 10:41 PM

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Well, how old is he and how long has he been training? He's probably just got more years on you. Sure, it's not easy to get ripped to contest shape, but it's not that hard to get size once you've been at it for a while. I've seen guys in my gym who train like complete clowns and probably eat 2 meals a day... yet they dwarf me. Why? I'm 19 and they are in their late 20s-early 30s and I've only been training for a year.

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