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havoc

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posted September 21, 2000 07:40 AM

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Other than the religion your practicing at the present moment, what religion would be your next choice if you had to choose, I will repeat "if you had to choose" ( dont say some shit like I am happy with my present religion), remember you have to choose, now if your an athiest or you dont believe in any type of religion then treat each religion out there like a fictional story and choose one, so to sum this shit up choose a religion no matter what. Obviously I will go first.
I am a Christian, always have been always will be(Christian in the sense of actual true Christianity not the insulting bullshit that is taught today in the majority of the mislead churches of America and abroad)but if I had to choose another religion it would defenitley be Taoism with a few Buddhist and Confucianism principles involved(actually I already incorporate these in my beliefs today) but Taoism is my main choice.

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posted September 21, 2000 07:44 AM

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Satanic Worship: Scary Story, I like scary stories....


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posted September 21, 2000 07:45 AM

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I am happy with my present religion.


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havoc

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posted September 21, 2000 07:54 AM

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Vanguard I was looking for a sincere and serious answer from everyone not a smart ass remark, if you were in my radius I would bitch slap you to the ground, have you ever been bitch slapped to the ground? Its pretty funny to watch and humiliating, all I was asking for was a honest reply but from your previous and present posts I see that is beyond your capabilities. I wanted to get everyones true input just to see "something" for myself about the all the different people on here. Its kind of a survey for my own personal studies and curiosity.

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I dont really know...hell i dont know what religion im into now..i think its the norse viking religion i enjoy the most...Thor and Odin..but if i had to choose...Buddhism i think, id like to think i could reach a higher level on concincy(sp?) and peace of mind.

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posted September 21, 2000 08:27 AM

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Hav - what is Taosim?


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havoc

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posted September 21, 2000 08:34 AM

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Go to:
www.religioustolerance.org/taoism.htm

This sums it up short and sweet, its pronounce Dowism with a D, the purpose of Taoism is to achieve the Tao or the way or path. Read it , it will only take a second, Taoism incorporated Nature(earth) into alot of their beliefs, its more of a philosophy and way of living and thinking.

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Currently as far as religion and I'm thinking you mean that which we practice daily I am an Ishaya. Meaning a student of christ conscousness, since I practice the Ishaya mantras and meditation on a daily basis. This is a "cousin" of the vedic bhuddism which is the mother of all religious practices including Taoism. Before this I was a devotted Taoist, looking for the "Uncarved Block". I find that the Ishaya practice marries the eastern and western views of Jesus into one.

I can say that I have felt, experienced this Oneness, wholeness with the eternal and their is nothing else like it on eath. Nothing can compare to it and no words can truley describe it in a just manner.

How is that for sincer havoc?

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posted September 21, 2000 08:48 AM

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Ishaya=Praise, Gratitude and Love, I figured that would be your cup of tea Wodin.

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posted September 21, 2000 08:54 AM

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Rastafarian......natures creation......

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Havoc, Thanks I take that as a compliment. I have broadened this to include bhuddist mantras, such as "Aum nahamni pahdmi hum", which means I am the perfect diamond lotus, etc... The thing is that eventually the words fall away and lose their meaning and you arrive at a oneness in awareness. Really cool stuff, I'll give you an example, yesterday I'm riding the elipitical trainer in the Gym and I close my eyse and start a mantra. I begin to feel the energy around me and then I get this really cool tingle of energy going through me and I open my eyes and this oriental person is walking by smiling. As they pass a cool breeze follows them by me. This is that awareness of other peoples energies that I speak of in the basic "unity conscousness" that can be acheived by clearing the mind. Bhuddist call this the Diamond Lotus. Just thought I would elaborate a little bro.

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posted September 21, 2000 09:22 AM

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Original Rastafarianism where it includes that you must hate the white race is a turn off and true ignorance, I understand why some would want that to be a part of their religion back in that day. Rastafarianism is basically the old testament with a few redactions and additions. The majority of the youth today only like the Rasta religion because of the herb which is the wrong reason in the first place. Started by Marcus Garvey Rastas believe in Jah Rastafari , Jah being a derivative of Jehovah, they also believe in the Hindu concept of the Avatar, They believe God first revealed himself in Moses then Elijah next Jesus and finally the Climax Sellasie, Marijuana is a holy sacrament with the Rastas and true Rasta are vegetarians and dont smoke tobacco products.

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posted September 21, 2000 09:45 AM

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You are becoming too deep for me HAvoc, what kind did you smoke today?
J/K

Seriously , I did have Philosophy in college and read about numerous religions but I can not remember a one now, sorry.

I just see it as , as long as I believe in a God then I am okay!!!


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I don't practice any religion, and, there is so many religions out there, I wouldn't know where to start. The only thing I know is on my baptismal certificate it says I was baptised in the United church......really, I have no clue about religion......I have heard of Buddhism, Taoism, Zen and stuff......a friend of mine is into Zen....he's tryed to get me into reading up on it becuase he has seen me down and out and thought maybe that would help me....but, I'm hopeless...a lost cause......what is the point of religion anyhow? what do you get out of it? what do people want to get out of it? do people turn to religion in a time of need? if so, is that wrong using religion to help yourself? I have so many quesitons about it.....maybe Hav could enlighten me.....ya know, I'm 32 now, and, I wish I would of found some religion that interested me along time ago.....it might of helped me out at times......speaking of "times" I could use some guidance or soemthing right now....
shit, I hate being serious on here cause you alwyas take that risk of some asshole slamming you....
anyhow...I'm done
Hav?


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Thanks Hav for bringing up a serious topic.....I feel like shit now...
I think I'll go cook in the tanning bed


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posted September 21, 2000 10:33 AM

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Drudism. Those guys were so cool. Supposedly Merlyn was the last real druid.


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posted September 21, 2000 10:37 AM

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Its never too late for Religion, the word Religion has gotten a bad rap because of all the false interpretations many religions have gone through, Chrisitianity being the main one, these false hoods turn many away and I can totally understand why. What I say to alot of people is if you dont want to have anything to do with a religion then treat whatever religion like a fictional story and follow the good points of the story, this will make you a better person mentally and spiritually.

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posted September 21, 2000 10:55 AM

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Wicca, the "Old" religion. "If It Harms None, Do What You Will", the Wiccan Rede.


If you need an example of how screwed up modern "Christianity" has become try out his link. http://www.godhatesfags.com/memorial.html

This is not the Christianity that havoc believes in, I agree with everything havoc has ever posted about his beliefs. This is how people have corrupted and misused religion for their own benefits and prejudices.

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posted September 21, 2000 11:03 AM

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Onanism!


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posted September 21, 2000 11:28 AM

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It would be a toss up between Zoroastrianism, or some type of Bacchus/Dionysus cult.


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posted September 21, 2000 11:33 AM

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rastafarian(cant spell it). Cause smoking weed is cool. I could pray to a marijuana plant(if it was good dope)

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Whichever religion preaches sex with many anonymous partners and experimenting with mind-expanding drugs would be my pick.


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posted September 21, 2000 11:41 AM

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Hey Moe I touched on the Rasta subject in one of my replies on this post, did your read it?

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posted September 21, 2000 11:46 AM

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Well the only one I can think of right now is anarchy, but that is politics and as we know politics and religion don't mix well.


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This is a good question, but it's assinine to completely disallow the answer that some of us might stay with our own Faith at all costs.
Millions of my ancestors died at the hands of Christians for not being willing to convert.
I stand by my G-d to the death. My faith is not a convenience or a whim.

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Weapon X, did you not read my initial post, I asked a hypothetical ? stating if you had to choose , I share the same view as you as far as sticking to my Beliefs but if you had to choose what would it be, that is what this whole thread is about.

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Yup. I read the initial post.
In a hypothetical situation, my head would fall swiftly from my shoulders as I recite the Sh'ma, the most basic affirmation of my people's faith, rather than convert to any other faith.

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Yeah I read it bro. I would pray to satan if i can smoke weed all day.lol (not that i believe in any of it but if i had to choose one)

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I dunno...Is there a single religion where women are considered equal or greater than men. One where women can hold a high position in that religion. That would be shagerrific!! Hinduism is pretty neat , except for the view of women


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posted September 21, 2000 12:13 PM

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Sociobiology

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well, that didn't help me any, but, thanks...


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posted September 21, 2000 12:16 PM

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muslim- so i could pull a jihad on your philosophical ass...


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Hey shag, all us horndogs all ready worship fitnessbarbie, fitness1, onekickasswoman, slickassbiatch and now you. Post a picture girl.. We need another Idol to add to this bacall!

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Well, Ive been getting some email which I initially ignored, but I guess since so many of you have asked... Yes, you can go ahead and worship me...

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right now i am jewish..if i were to choose another one it would be some kind of buddhism but i think that is more of a culture than a religion..hmmm..Daoism sounds cool. i think a bodybuilding religion would be nice..the head would of course be havoc because he is a "genetic prototype"

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Crickey baby... i thought I already explained this...being and international women of mystery is a hard job. I'd post my picture....but then I'd have to kill you. Lets just say... I put the ggrrrrr in swinger baby


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there is something up with Agent Shagwell.....something is definitely up


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I WOULD WORSHIP WOMEN...UH... OR IS THAT WHAT I DO NOW??? I GEUSS IT WOULD APPERA THAT WAY.


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I would consider it a miracle if we had a thread and everyone actually answered the initial question with a somewhat intelligent response but I should of known better, my fault.

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voodoo. I would make a doll of all those roid haters and let them have it. yeah. but oh well what can you do if you sell womens shoes for a living.

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Havokk

Truly an interesting question. Really difficult to answer...I am stuck between what religion I would believe in next to my present one, or which one I would like to practice the most.

I don't know why sme people choose the religions that they choose...Do they truly believe that objectively there religion is the one that is based on the most Truth? Do they just like the religion and like the practices and beliefs, but have not really looked at it's Truth ? Is objective Truth not a reality so they can choose what they want ? I dont know.

If I did have to choose another religion, I would try to base it on what I believe to be true and Truth, and would choose some form of Buddhism. I truly believe that Truth does lie in Right Thought, Right Action, etc.
There are some things in the religion/belief system that I dont agree with, but I dont believe everything in my religion either. I think many things have been changed from the original intentions.

By the way, I am Roman Catholic and have a BA in philosophy and theology. I know that many people hate Roman Catholics and the Church. I would like to add that I have spent my adult life (from 19-31; I am 31 now) in Social Work, having lived in Detroit, St. Louis, Staten Island and South Korea...always working with young people and trying to give of my life so that others may have a better quality of life...to me that is what my religion is about...I think Mother Teresa is the greatest example of Roman Catholicism...she was a nun, cing Roman Catholic and her religion and religious conviction caused her to ive her life to God and humanity...sorry for the soapbox.

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Wth do you expect Hav? Asking anything on here and expecting mature responses...you've got to be kidding...you aks for an awful lot....also, my high&mighty, did I reply to your thread in a proper manner? I'm still pisssed at the response I got from you yesterday...
o well, I expected too much


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ONE KICK ASS WOMAN, your questions are too broad with too many answers to type, be more specific and I will help as much as I can.

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SEEK OUT KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING, MY THOUGHTS ARE UNIVERSES....
"You can find me in the GARDEN of SHAOLIN cultivating the TRUTH"-havoc
"Always remember, I am your Moms Pimp"-havoc
"YOU ARE IN THE MIDST OF A GENETIC PROTOTYPE"


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AGENT SHAGWELL

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posted September 22, 2000 09:24 AM

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Python_22 Inch.....lol thats some heavy duty weapons your boasting. But I like your choice of religion


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~%%~OneKikAssWoman~%%~

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posted September 22, 2000 12:30 PM

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Hav: I dunno what it is exactly I want...I just know I'd like something to turn to sometimes for guidance, thought clarity...whatever....I really dunno....I am a lost soul....
I'm not being sarcastic either...I'm serious


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Weapon X

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posted September 22, 2000 12:47 PM

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So many people think that they can pick and choose a faith that only gives them sweetness and light.
A religion is like family: you take the good with the bad. Most often, as you mature, you see reasons for things that eluded you previously.
A religion that blows sunshine up your ass isn't doing you any favors or helping you to grow beyond your current state.


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metanoia

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posted September 22, 2000 11:25 PM

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Totally agree with you Weapon X...Good call


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