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 YOU DONT HAVE TO CHOOSE BUSH OR GORE, LOOK WHAT NADER HAS TO OFFER-
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Scroll down to check out his stance on various issues- http://issues2000.org/Ralph_Nader.htm    | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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Nader! Nader! Nader! Nader! Nader! Nader! Nader! Nader! Nader! Nader! Nader! Nader! Can you tell I like Ralph! PARK THAT CAR! ------------------ [This message has been edited by WODIN (edited September 20, 2000).]  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Cool Novice 
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"Support Brady Bill & thoughtful gun control. (Jun 25) Supports trigger locks, licensing, & banning some guns. (Jun 24) " What a goddamn joke!
[This message has been edited by Weapon X (edited September 20, 2000).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Is none of the above an option?? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Anyone for gun control is bad, they think they can rewrite the Constitution any way they see fit. If Gore or Nader were to be elected this country would be doomed. Now Bush isn't much better, but we might stand a fighting chance with him. chesty | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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>>legalize marijuana i have no problem with that >>Put all Congressional voting records on Internet >>Microsoft must be stopped >>Against flat tax; keep progressivity >>Social Security privatization replaces certainty with risk >>One purpose of campaign is moving Democrats Left >>Cradle-to-grave health care better than Clinton�s plan >>Price restraints on drugs; limit profiteering >>Allow voting for �None of the Above� >>Cut defense budget by $100B; time to demobilize >>Top CEOs make 415 times entry wages
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Elite Bodybuilder
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For clarity, he only wants to ban the weapons that are already banned. (some automatic weapons) Trigger locks as most of you guys know come with most guns already. Actually he is very pro 2nd amendment, he just doesnt think "arms" should be defined as missile launchers and 50cals. By demobilization of the military, he means that we should not be occupying other countries and instead spend that $ elsewhere. To say the US has the best healthcare system in the world is a joke. I think what you mean is we have the best doctors and best drugs. Cuba actually has a better system than we do, everyone their actually has coverage. | ||
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Moderator 
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Mr T. You astound with your ignorance. The US has the best medical care in the world. In Canada, the wait for many routine surgeries is years. Fucking Years - for routine operations. To pay for this, Canada has a tax breacket of over 51 percent. In England, with similar health care, treatments such as kidney dialysis are next-to-impossible to get if you are over 55. That is a fairly routine treatment here, at any age. Wake up T. Stop being a sheep and get in touch with reality. also on nader - limiting profits for the output of drugs, as Diggler said, results in no drugs. Why do you think all these companies invest so heavily in research? To make profits. That's how a company works. If the prices drop - forced by government - guess what? No dollars for research - no breakthroughs. Know what that means? Cheap, shitty drugs for everyone. Nader is a clown. Matt | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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If you look at THe Green Party's platform it closely resembles the Communist Party's Platform. Dont be a fag, vote for Bush. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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If the US has the best medical care in the then I really do feel sorry for the rest of the world. There are millions of people in this country without health insurance and if you think you're getting good health care without insurance you have another think coming. Hell even with insurance America is a VERY expensive country to get sick in. It may be the best care available but it's not really available to everybody. My God! I partially agree with Mr T. on something.  But I'm no socialist. And I still love this great country of mine! ------------------ http://pub23.ezboard.com/bthewholefnshowsforums | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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We do have the best health care system in the world. If you need an operation to save your life you get it, now waiting lists no, permissions to get or anything. Yes, everyone can get some form of medical coverage in this country, and if not, they can pay for it themselves. The second amendment did not limit the type of weapon or should have them, It starts The Right of The People," now last time I checked that meant all of us. Have you ever wondered why the IRS has armed agents with powers of arrest and life and death? Gee, I thought we had done away with debtors prisons. If only the government is armed then you have a police state. Sounds awfully alot like the communist rule in China and Russia. chesty | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Matttheskywalker: I expected a little more out of you as a mod, if you disagree with me than disagree with me. But dont flame me for clarifying a politicians platform. 10's of millions of people in the US dont even have health care. Why do you think both Gore and Bush's platforms both address the healthcare problem? Because its so good? If you read my post you would see that I said that we did have the best medical care, not the best healthcare. They are two different things. Even if our government made the drug companies cut their drug retail prices by 500% they would still be making a healthy profit. Price fixing, which is what these companies are involved in, is illegal in the US. We are the richest country in the world, do you really think drug companies would leave this market? Chesty: | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Oh yeah, I never said I supported Nader. I just think people should be aware of other choices than Bush and Gore. Im leaning towards Bush unless by the grace of God Jesse Ventura quits as governor and makes a last second bid- | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I do agree that the founding fathers had muskets and not Glock 17's and such. But the fact is the criminal no matter what kind of gun law is in force will obtain the weapon of his choice. The same argument could be put forth that do we want the criminal better armed than the citizen? The north Hollywood shootout could have been dealt with much more quickly if the officers had been able to carry a weapon that packed a punch. But since it was not politically correct and also due to liability issues, they were forced to carry 9mm. I was Sheriff's Deputy for a long time and I can tell you of countless times racing to a scene of violence only to get there after the bad guy has left. If people are force to use trigger locks, and separate storage for weapons and ammo and can only carry certain types do we really think the bad guy gives a shit? He will carry whatever he wants. I always have to wonder about anyone who advocates some form of gun control, what their political and personal motives are. A nibble here and a nibble there and soon the first Five Amendments to the Constitution we be worthless. chesty | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Chesty: I understand what your saying, I just dont see how arming everyone to the teeth with MP5's is going make this a better country. I really dont forsee a day when all guns will be taken away. And I think that right now some legitimate guns are illegal. (Like the SKS in California) I also think your right that some criminals will find a way to get the illegal guns. But should we make it as easy as going down to the corner store and buying an AK and some black talons to go? I dont think that would be good. I am a gunowner myself, so obviously I have no personal agenda to rid the world of guns. I just think that a line has to be drawn somewhere. Again, it all depends on how you define "arms". How do you define it? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I would define arms as that means by which one can defend him/herself. If that means I want to use an MP5 for home defense so be it. I agree I wouldn't want just anybody out there able to own whatever they wanted. I believe in the instant background check, no registration or keeping of records of any sort, and severe unyielding penalties for any one who would abuse the trust of the people with a weapon, by using it to committ a crime. That is the problem, is that the criminals are not punished for there wrong doings. I know first hand from being a Deputy. What needs to be done is to find a way to keep bad guys from getting weapons without hindering the law abiding citizen's right to bear arms. Don't think it will happen here? Canada thought that, it is happening, they have to start registering all weapons now, next once ownership and location has been established they will just simple confiscate them. Australia thought it couldn't happen to them, it did. England thought it would not happen it did. New York City thought it would not happen it did. Chicago and Detroit thought it could not happen it has. Have we forotten that the govn't had ordered the police in major cities to conduct door to door searches for weapons. Fourth amendment out the window. Thank god for our Supreme Court, they stepped in and ordered a halt to the unwarranted searches (conducted in the name of public safety) chesty | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Actually, we agree on just about everything. Except, if Joe Shmoe is carrying an MP5 than what the hell are the police going to be patrolling in- tanks? I personally dont like the idea of police walking the beat with automatic weapons slung over their shoulder. Sounds almost like Martial Law. You need to have some kind of balance. I am a huge advocate of the Bill of Rights. I never heard of door to door searches. (Unless you looking for a suspect that you think is hiding in a neighborhood) But even if you came across illegal contraband in one of those houses you were searching for the suspect, it could not be used in court unless you had a warrant or consent. Plus, the consent aspect would be sticky since the occupant would have given consent to search for a suspect and not consent to search his house. The only Supreme Court case this year that I know of that dealt with police procedure was the debate over Miranda and the 5th amendment. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Hey Chesty, heres the link to his exact gun control view- http://votenader.org/issues/guncontrol.html | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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I agree with Chesty on this issue....I don't care if they were carrying muskets or bows and arrows...the Point was the people should be able to protect themselves from any force, and mostly in case the govt gets a bit to tight...I don't care if Everyone had a Damn rocket launcher...I feel like it's within my rights reguardless of what anyone says to defend my self from any ENEMY foreign and DOMESTIC...If that means I have to have an MP5 to stop some dirtbag trying to break in my place, or some Militant or police force looking to take my rights away by force then so be it. The American people have bought into the propaganda and bullshit of this Comfortable Country for too long and one day it's going to bite us in the ass...Do you really think we have avoided a major war on this soil since the civil war without a reason? Maybe perhaps because Everyone knows how hard it would be to invade us with an avg equaling enough guns to the number of citzens....Not that it couldn't be done, just a bit harder Cops should be allowed to carry Fully automatic weapons in their cars, as should LAW abiding citizens in their homes. Criminals will always get around it, they did before the gun control laws started happering and they still do now...We just need to make sure the LEGAL Avenues will not be open for them, not limit what the law abiding citizens can do. I went to Highschool that was viewed upper middle class, and just as an example of how easy things are to get, I could have anything including, chopped up cars, drugs, knives, guns, explosives, Illegal labor for that matter within a short while if the price was right...Anything can be bought in this country if you want it bad enough... If you dont like guns then don't buy one, and don't own one. Dont you dare start Fuckin blamming society once your robbed and your loved ones hurt cause someone had a weapon, thats your choice as is any citizen who wants to own any type of weapon I'm only sorry that people in this country think it's ok to limit our protection from the criminals as well as the govt. | ||
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Cool Novice
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2nd Amendment allows for the Militia (every male between 18 and 65) to have the equivalent of whatever the Armed Forces soldier has. No reason to go crazy and say "What, do you want a bazooka?!" The second amendment is designe dto back up the philosophy that the people (that's you and me) should be able to disband the American Government if it gets out of hand. http://www.saf.org/FoundingFathersQuotes.html | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Let me talk about door to door searches, there is something called exigent circumstances. If I am chasing a bad guy into a house and I notice crack cocaine every where I will go back and arrest everyone in the house because it was in plain view and I did not violate any ones right, because I was doing my job within the law. If I am giving permission to enter a house and I see something laying around that is illegal, I can arrest you for it. The only time that would not hold up is if I started going through your dresser and such without your permission. But if it is in plain view and a cop sees it your fucked! I think cops should carry automatic weapons, after being a Deputy I felt woefully underequiped with my Glock 17 and 3 mags. If I was out in the boonies as was frequently the case, my nearest backup could be 20 minutes or more away. People should be armed as equally well as the police forces and militaries. That provides an equilibrium of power. chesty |
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