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MattTheSkywalker

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posted September 11, 2000 08:49 PM

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It is no secret in this country that we depend a great deal on oil, which we for the most part import.

What do you all think about nuclear power replacing other means as the principal source of elctricity for homes, etc?

I'm not going to prejudice the topic - I just want to see what kinds of opinions are out there.


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posted September 11, 2000 08:53 PM

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Well here are the main things with nuclear power.

1. It is a great source of energy, everyone would use it, except....

2. No one wants to live near a nuclear power plant. I know I wouldn't.


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posted September 11, 2000 09:00 PM

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Where's the Mr. Fusion?? Where's the Plutonium P36 Space Modulator?? I thought we would have these things in the 21st century..

Where's my flying car?


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posted September 11, 2000 09:03 PM

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flux capacitors in every home and car!!!

actually, i would be all for it to be the main source.. we have enough of the plants up now to do major metro areas... safety is the issue though. i dont think "we" would allow it.


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MattTheSkywalker

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posted September 11, 2000 09:07 PM

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Someone please explain the safety issue to me.

Matt


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posted September 11, 2000 09:50 PM

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Personally the greatest issue of concern is the storage of Rods used within nuclear facilities. Highly radioactive plutonium rods are normally stored in pools with in the plants. But, they are rapidly running out of space. The united States Government has allocated a monsterous space to store this nuclear waste material within saltbeds Nevada.
Its going to happen, dispight our Governments massive fossil fuel reserves, these are a rapidly depleting source. Even the abundance of natural gas is going to have its timely limits.
Whats disgusting about our society is that clean renewable efficient power sources have been developed, Hydrogen has rapidly become a viable option. Science has already demonstrated their feasability within the modern automobile. Zero emmisions result as the natural byproduct of hydrogen is o2. However, dont expect to see hybrid technology any time soon, with the automobile and oil conglomorations in cahutz.
Nuclear energy should not be the final answer, instead it should be seen as the best intermediary choice available. Baring human error, these plants are relativly safe, but thats not rule of thumb isn't helping the worlds sense of security with 17 plants within the soviet union involving themselves in the sale of plutonium to cock ass backward countries like Pakistan and India. Doesn't that make you sleep well. Were gonna wind up seeing those Ragheads begin WWIII when India and Pakistany diplomates advocate the release of nuclear warheads on each other to bring finality to the debate on which one smelt the worse.
Gesus, I could give a dissertation on this shit.

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MattTheSkywalker

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posted September 11, 2000 10:01 PM

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Steel,

As you once noted before we often think alike.

You are correct that there is an economic roadblock to hybrid car development.
But I want to stick to the topic at hand. certianl the US could handle nuclear power plants' safety considerably better than the USSR/Russia has.

What do others think?

Matt



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posted September 11, 2000 10:12 PM

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I believe that 'Special Interest Group' contributions to campaigns should be eliminated completely. I'm sure the people would have a lot more say if this was so. Unfortunately, catch 22, the people that would have to outlaw it are the same who depend on it.


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posted September 11, 2000 10:34 PM

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I am concerned of terrorist attacks, if their was ever a war, the plants would be the first place i would bomb if i was Sadam.

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posted September 12, 2000 02:17 AM

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Great source of energy, as long as the plant isnt near me.

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posted September 12, 2000 09:05 AM

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i'm all for it.

chernobyl, three mile island...hell, even "the china syndrome" have got people pretty spooked, but i think it's gonna' be totally necessary in the not-too-distant future.


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posted September 12, 2000 10:01 AM

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Here's your flying car!
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posted September 12, 2000 10:09 AM

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Giving the intelligence of many people (in the US states anyway) I'd be scared shitless at the thought of them all with nuclear reactors in the houses. Meltdowns galores!

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I'm all for nuclear fission as a power source. Chernobyl and Three Mile Island were a result of stupid people running stupid experiments, and bypassing inumerable safety measures...they should be shot for the stupidity they showed in letting those situations happen. Even the crappy Russian Chernobyl design was safe if it weren't for the idiots who decided to shut down several safety features to simply "see what would happen." As for the radioactive waste, almost all of the byproducts have half-lives of less than a day. Also, a good portion of the rods can be recycled and reused...the French do it all the time (remember all the stories about the Japanese transporting spent rods to France and the stink it raised). As for down the road, I'm hoping that we can get nuclear fusion up to speed in the near future. The plan right now is to shoot about 10 BB-sized pellets of fusion fuel a second with lasers or ion beams, and convert these mini-explosions into electricity. The benefit of fusion is that the only byproduct is helium, there is a smaller terrorist threat (the tritium in the fuel is the only radioactive hazard and is in much smaller quantitities...hospitals typically carry more), and the amount of fuel that we can pick from the oceans will last us billions of years.

The problem with nuclear power is that the word nuclear connotes pictures of explosions. However, even people mildly educated on the subject realize this is utter bullshit; even a poorly designed reactor will never create a weapons-like explosion. People think in images and are lazy; hence they are unwilling to do some rudimentary research and check some of their unbased fears at the door.

I apologize on the sermon, but I've done a little research on the topic and my views are held a little tighter than for most people.


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Has anyone researched cancer-death stats for the areas surrounding every nuclear power facility in the US?

Has anyone heard of Kyshtym?

People don't oppose nuclear power simply because they fear the plant to explode - they oppose it because they know what extreme amounts of radiation does.

Maybe you live in a world where everything is perfect and nothing ever goes wrong. Or maybe your world is full of good people who care about others, and not just their pocket book.

Do you really think the people who create and own these plants give a fuck about the general population? 'Fraid not!!

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posted September 12, 2000 05:25 PM

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FINALLY! A topic in my line of work, the energy bizz!

1. Nuclear power is by far the cheapest for of power to 'produce' on the planet and it is the cleanest...UNTIL the Friggin plant starts a meltdown.

2. This meltdown possiblility is why we have the NERC. Nuclear Energy Regulatory Commission, this guys have their heads so far up the asses of the nuke plant managers that if you piss just a little out of the bowl you have to write up a 20 page incident report and send it to the NERC. TRUTH!

3. Why the voluminus redtape and reporting, because if something goes boom the NERC has to cover its collectiv tucas and say "Hey I told them Iowa was going to blow up, but the wouldn't listen."

4. There is actually a Nuke on Long Island that belonged to LILCO and was bought out by the state of NY @ a price of $20,000,000,000. Yes thats in Billions, and the plant never produced one KWH of electricity because it was built in a suburban neighberhood and there are tons and tons of Federal Regs about that kind-a thing. Plus a whole lot of additioinal saftey features that had to be put into place.

AND THAT IS WHY WE DON'T have our own personal p32 modulators...damn I want one of
those!!!

FYI: At UC-Berkley there is a group building the worlds first fusion reactor, fission, fusion, whats the difference? Fusion is what the sun does to produce power it melds molecules together. Fission--they go boom. Anyway I digress. The containment vessell for this fusion reaction is going to be the worlds largest ever generated electromagnetic field! Think about this for a second, the only thing between us, and some geeks at berkley from destroying the planet is a big magnet! They have a test plan set for sometime in mid 2004! I've seen the magnetic accelerator and that puppy is the size of two football fields.

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Nuclear as in fission,,,, no

Nuclear in terms of FUSION, yes


the atom is the source of all future power, that is to say we make it without becoming extinct


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MattTheSkywalker

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posted September 13, 2000 06:39 PM

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Caesar,

Research yes I have.

Khystym was in 1958. It would be silly - no - just plain foolish - to think that no progress has been made in 42 years. Furthermore, the facility there was a breeder reacotr designed for the development of plutonium for atomic weapons. Nuclear power planst are not breeder reactors.

Your citing the Soviet fiasco 42 years ago is irrelevant at best.

The University of Pittsburgh did a study in the 15 years following the Three Mile Island situation, and there WAS NO INCREASE in the number of cancer cases.

Thanks for your "input".

Matt


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posted September 13, 2000 10:57 PM

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The Plant on Long Island was closed because people didn't want it in their neighborhood. Funny how those same people were bitching their asses off last winter when the price of heating oil rose to over $2.00 a gallon. You can stuill hear them bitching about gas prices. How do I know? I live here.

Wodin, the history of meltdowns in this country has been limited. The 3 mile Island one was very real but as referenced in the aforementioned Univ of Pittsburgh study, no increase in cancer resulted.

Your post about the voerstated dangers of meltdowns sounds to me like you would be a displaced worker if nuclear power plants were proliferated.

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posted September 13, 2000 11:18 PM

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Wodin: How would a huge magent destroy the earth?


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My father who happens to work in the Oil and gas industry brought this up for conversation one time...one the few times we talked....

Nuclear is not a reliable source for 2 possible Catastrophic reasons

1.The Damage the wastes creates

2. Human Error

I don't know about you people but the number 2 reason is why I WOULD NEVER NEVER NEVER consider it to use...

Even if they told me they had a machine that would leave no wastes I still wouldn't trust it...Anything that Man makes can be Corrupted, and if some how this energy was corrupted we would all be screwed.

I dont fear that anyone would blow this up cause I don't believe that the grade of nuclear energy they use is the same as the weapons, but the wastes are very harsh on the environment...

I would be more then willing to bet that over the years nuclear testing has contributed just as much if not more to the greenhouse effect then all of the carbon fuels used since cars and trains have been moving.

I did a speecha year ago in my speech class on Nuclear warheads and needless to say my prof was freaked out with the diagrams and information I presented to the classed based on internet research

He didn't care to much for it...I still got an A


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Freak, the magnet wouldn't, If the reaction of the nuclear fuel escaped the magnetic barrier then all would go poof!

Matt, Wait till this winter, fuel prices are going to be in the 3.50 - 4.25 range! Due to the increased demand for alternative fuel forms for electric generation.

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MattTheSkywalker

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posted September 14, 2000 08:02 AM

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Human error is a possibility we live with every day of our lives. Ever been in a car accident?

Also, at some point, probably not in our lifetimes, but eventually, nuclear power will become the only alternative. It is presently used on a wide scale in some other countries without incident.

I like it. I would not have a problem living near a reactor.

Wodin, thanks for the input of someone in the energy field. Do you have any links or anything else where I can find out about the Berkeley project or anythign else in general?

Matt


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Matt, I don't know about links for the Berkley project. I just was there on a tour of the facilities. I agree with you about the nature of nuclear power, fossil fuels will eventually run out and then more reliable alternatives will need to be developed in the areas of Nuclear / Solar / Wind power options. Check out www.energycentral.com for a good source on current events in the utitilites / energy industry. also for any company out there, go ot www.utilityconnection.com

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Nuclear as a fuel source has an inherent catastrophic danger, but probably is easier on the environment on a day to day basis than coal-fired or hydro power.

I get a kick out of the feeble position that electric cars are the American savior while completely ignoring the fact that some of the electricity to charge and run the car comes from coal-fired generators in places like Montana. There is inherent inefficiency loss sending power 2000 miles to begin with. This is simply moving the pollution / impact to a different area, not pollution/impact prevention.

From what I understand of our massively increasing electric demand, nuclear is our only logical interim source in the Pac NW. Increasing Hydro power will be very difficult with the salmon issues already threatening current hydro dams.

I forsee large acreages of fairly desolate lands being the prime location for further nuclear power plants in order to place distance b/w the facility and the public in order to placate the "fears" mentioned in previous threads.

sorry to run on and on and on

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