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MattTheSkywalker Moderator (Total posts: 1330) |
posted August 11, 2000 05:21 PM
  
There are so many anti-gay responses on this board. It's kind of embarrassing. What are all of you scared of? Why do you care what people do in their own private lives? The bodybuilding community has many gays in it. I would hope that if we are going to judge people on this board, we would judge them based on what they contribute to the discussions. Someone please tell me why someone else's private life is such a big deal. Looking for just one logical and intelligent response to explain all the anti-gay sentiments. From here it just looks like a bunch of sexually insecure name-callers. Matt IP: Logged |
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plate Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 37) |
posted August 11, 2000 05:33 PM
Its a fact that Guy is not the norm. If its what you choose cool, but it is not the norm. Body builders get looked at funny and are descrimnated against in some cases why? because they dont look normal there freaks. If you choose to do something that is way outside normal you have to expect people to typicaly be judgemental about it, get used to it. no matter what its always going to be there cause homosexuality will never be part of everday american life. IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3717) |
posted August 11, 2000 05:35 PM
Matt I have to agree with you, personally i don't care what the hell someone does at home. IP: Logged |
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JohnnyO Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 232) |
posted August 11, 2000 05:47 PM
I haven't noticed anything really bad lately.. unless stuff is being deleted before I see it. IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Moderator (Total posts: 1330) |
posted August 11, 2000 06:05 PM
Plate, What exactly is the "norm"? You ever look at the back of a porn mag - they have advertisemtns for jusr about every type of sexual fetish there is. I'm talking about like, Hustler or Club, generally percieved as straight mags - and they have ads for gay fetishes, bisexual fetishes, foot fetishes, animal fetishes....and so on. What exactly, is normal, and on what ground do you stand to determine it? Comparing bodybuilders to gays is a piss-poor anaolgy. Bodybuilder discrimination is a huge problem right? everyhwere you go, you see bodybuilders being discriminated against. Have you ever been to a chat board where they bash bodybuilders? I know that people will always be judgmental about it. I'm trying to find out why. I'm a straight guy and even I am getting sick of this shit. There are probbaly some knowledgeable gay bros, but why would they want to share knowledge here? I'm also trying to fuigure out what people's sexual orientation has to do with "everyday American life". Sexual orientation is a private matter, not a public one. Does anyone have anything INTELLIGENT to say? Matt [This message has been edited by MattTheSkywalker (edited August 11, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Checkmatebloated Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 888) |
posted August 11, 2000 06:20 PM
Let the diksuking/butphuk began. I do not want to be involved, but it is okay wih me what you do behind closed door. IP: Logged |
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kram696969 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 540) |
posted August 11, 2000 06:33 PM
i dont give a shit, just dont show it off..they get these special parade's and shit, but do us straight folks get it? no. and if we did they would all cry like babies and shit. i personally dont care, but your not more or less special then me or anyone else. so stick your parades and gay rights shit up your ass. unless i can have a straight parade...and straight rights..ahh..whatever. kram-mark IP: Logged |
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ryry Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 805) |
posted August 11, 2000 06:36 PM
i got your answer for you, IGNORANCE... people fear what they don't know. lets face it, being gay is not acceptable in mainstream society. its easier to join the "bandwagon" than to fight it. most of the gay bashers out there probably don't even know a gay person. they go off the stereotype and follow the general public's false reality. its tough to be the sole voice of reason and opposition amongst an army of misguided souls. i suppose its easier to conform to the misconceptions than to stand up against it... as the saying goes "ignorance is bliss" BTW... you have mail ------------------ "The greatest risk is not taking one." IP: Logged |
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plate Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 37) |
posted August 11, 2000 06:50 PM
NORMAL is what the majority decides it is, wheather the be sheep, cow, feet whatever. And right now the majority of the people say the homosexuality is not the norm, although it is gaining acceptance. You need to calm down you asked for a responce you got one, not my fault you didnt like it. And as far as BB and descrimnation mabe you need to read some of the post by BB on this board who have to endure stairs and comments and all kinds of attitude from the public, would you not call that a form of decrimnation? IP: Logged |
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skydancer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 688) |
posted August 11, 2000 07:05 PM
What makes me laugh is the same people who "bash" gay men think two women having sex is the hottest thing on the planet. Oh, excuse me..provided that they are "all that" and not "a couple of dykes". I don't see how it makes any bit of difference what sex you are attracted to. If you are a good human, you are a good human. I know as many bastard heterosexual males as I do homosexual. I have wonderful women friends who are gay...and some that I dislike intensly. However it has nothing to do with their sexual orientation. It has to do with their head and their heart. Creating prejudice against one lifestyle or the other does nothing. Whats the point - its a waste of time and energy. Energy that could be put to good use on ourselves. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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special_bill Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 398) |
posted August 11, 2000 07:32 PM
my gay friends are rich, well dressed, articulate, witty, and have FABULOUS interiors... i personally get a kick out of it when gay guys hit on me....in general, their tastes run a bit more sophisticated than the local ladies.....flame away, i gives a shit...im twice as secure in my masculinity than any guy who is threatened by "the boys"... IP: Logged |
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EliteLifter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 156) |
posted August 11, 2000 07:38 PM
Really you�re right matt, but kram is right too... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Moderator (Total posts: 1330) |
posted August 11, 2000 07:45 PM
I don't want it to be shown off or paraded either. That's not relevant here. Ryry, You're right on bro. People used to think the world was flat. Women were burned at the stake for being witches. It goes on and on throughout history, even today. People are so fucking weak and insecure that they have to bring someone else downin order to feel better about their own mediocre existences. Interesting. Matt IP: Logged |
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scott825 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 703) |
posted August 11, 2000 07:57 PM
I HAVENT REALLY DONE ANY GAY BASHING BUT TO ME ONE GUY TAKING IT UP THE ASS FROM ANOTHER GUY IS JUST WRONG & SICK. YES I DO KNOW SOME GAY PEOPLE & I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THEM IN PUBLIC. JUST MY 2 CENTS ------------------ Bros before Hos [This message has been edited by scott825 (edited August 11, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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JohnnyO Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 232) |
posted August 11, 2000 08:36 PM
Ok, I usually stay away from these kind of things, but I think I have to say something.. I'm rich and well dressed, and I'm not going to judge whether I'm articulate and witty, but I do have a cool place to to live. Kram is not right. The reason we have a parade is because we can. They are usually in our part of the city, where we own 90% of the businesses and where 90% of us live. Don't disrepect us because we're organized. Nothing is stoping the straights from having parades. I'm originally from New Orleans where the straights have about 200 or more parades, so why complain about our ONE! It's not like we are having a parade in the middle of suburbia. And if you don't like it, get out of our neighborhood! We don't want SPECIAL rights, we want the same rights as everyone else. If I die, my partner will have a hard time inheriting my money. He shouldn't. I shouldn't have had to pay 100K in legal fees to adopt my partner's nephew. But I did. If my partner should lose his job I shouldn't have a hassle in putting him on my insurance. Fortunatly I make 120K for a company that has domestic partner benefits, but not everyone of us do. We're organized. I wish that body builders were as organized as us. Perhaps if body builders were as organized as us things would not be the way they are now -- like trying to make stupid andro illegal. That is why with little effort you can find out everything about me. I'm done hiding. That is no way to live. Didn't Dan Duchaine teach the body building community anything? And if I'm "wrong and sick" then why was gays accepted by the Greeks, Romans, Japanese, American Indians and Aztec cultures? The ONLY reason it is "wrong and sick" is because a middle eastern religions dominate the world. Having lots of children (and wives) makes sense in a middle eastern desert when you need all the help you get just to survive. It didn't make sense in Athens when you didn't have to work so hard to survive. I've talked to lots of people here, and even met some in person, and I never bring up what I do in bed, or try to make a pass at someone I know is not interested. And maybe, just maybe if you get to know me, I'll hook you up with the 20 or so girls I know that are trying to get in my pants. IP: Logged |
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Future One Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 188) |
posted August 11, 2000 08:37 PM
I thought this was gonna be something about being afraid of talking about 'roids... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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superdave Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 545) |
posted August 11, 2000 08:48 PM
LOL, yea, me too future! IP: Logged |
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omer123456 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46) |
posted August 11, 2000 08:50 PM
well said Johnny!! IP: Logged |
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bikinimom Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 509) |
posted August 11, 2000 08:50 PM
As long as you are a decent human being; white, black, gay, straight, old, young, male, female ...does any of it really matter? Shouldn't your code of ethics and how you treat yourself and your fellow creatures (we all have to share the planet) be more important than with whom you choose to have sex? ...two consenting adults, that's the bottom line. We are all of us imperfect. (and I hate to get all biblical, but it seems applicable in this instance) "...Let he amongst you who is without sin cast the first stone." IP: Logged |
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omer123456 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46) |
posted August 11, 2000 08:56 PM
bikinimom you're so hot and smart!! IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 536) |
posted August 11, 2000 09:11 PM
With respect to the purpose and intended application of a chat board, the issue of some ones sexual preference is completly irrelavent. This is a virtually anonamous environment where ones worth and virtue is measured by the quality of their textual contributions to this board along with the Anabolic board. Grossly disrespecting a knowledgable contributor based upon their sexual preference is very much self-defeating. Were all here to benefit from each others knowledge. However, with respect to actual life itself, and to some extend this board. I will not be told that I must tolerate an inappropriate flamboyant display from anyone. If an individual chooses to openly inform these members of his homosexuality, he and he alone has assumed the catalitical role. Beginning a chain reaction of innapropriate irrelavant material to be exchanged. Finally, I agree with the moderators porhibition of any grossly disrespectful behavior. However, sometimes the moderators cease being filters and become censors. Political correctness is a repulsive idea, and contrary to the mantel of freedom I charish. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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JohnnyO Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 232) |
posted August 11, 2000 09:41 PM
Twisted_Steel.. I've told quite a few people on the board about how I am, and it did not result in a "chain reaction of irrelavant material to be exchanged". I'm sure the "inappropriate flamboyant display" you are refering to was done by someone straight, a true gay bodybuilder would never do anything like Pimply. IP: Logged |
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Stumpy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 253) |
posted August 11, 2000 10:42 PM
JohnnyO, why did you have to spoil your educated post by bashing Christianity? Or were you criticizing all Middle Eastern religions, including Islam and Judaism? In any case, you argue in favor of gay rights so articulately and then turn around and proclaim that because of a certain religion, we as a civilization have been homophobic. Get your history right, bro, the Greeks were not considered European in antiquity. Their culture, language, alphabet, and religion came from what is now known as the Middle East. They were seen as integral elements of that world. BTW, the Romans, too, traced their ancestry to Anatolia, which is modern Turkey. Peace [This message has been edited by Stumpy (edited August 11, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Austin316 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 486) |
posted August 11, 2000 10:48 PM
Ive said it once and Ill say it again, I don't give a rats ass what people do in there own homes, I just don't like to look at public displays of affection and those that flaunt it and try to demand respect from everyone and get in your face if you won't give it to them.I really don't care if someones gay, but I don't want to hear about or have to see it in person IP: Logged |
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havoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 757) |
posted August 11, 2000 10:51 PM
I am only afraid of Leg day. IP: Logged |
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JohnnyO Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 232) |
posted August 11, 2000 11:02 PM
Hey, What I was trying to say is that the idea that it is wrong not to have wives (and to jack off for that matter) originated in the arabian desert, however that idea pre-dates any modern religions we have today. However all the mid east religions (not just Christian) picked up on that custom of the arabian desert. Even the old Persian religions that no one practices anymore believed having an orgams anywhere but in a woman was wrong. However for some reason beliefs that originated in more lush environments don't have that restriction. Sorry if it turned in to a religion bash..that wasn't my intent.. I was getting emotional. Johnny IP: Logged |
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Stumpy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 253) |
posted August 11, 2000 11:39 PM
I agree, one's environment does have a lot of influence on one's beliefs and actions. What I was trying to convey was just because a religion originated in one particular place, it doesn't mean that it's practiced everywhere in the same fashion. The Lutheran Church in Scandinavia is very different from the Abyssinian Church in Ethiopia, even though both are "Christian". In any case, I don't want to talk religion anymore. It's time to get out of the house and have some fun. Peace PS You're welcome, JohnnyO IP: Logged |
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pizza man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 603) |
posted August 11, 2000 11:53 PM
Gay ,gay gay, who cares, i,v had some good friends, that were gay, and women friends i work out with sometimes that are lesbians, in my opinion their a lot more truthfull then the nomal (or should i say instead of normal the other than alternative lifestyle people) Ever been to a drag party? A swingers Party? A gay and lesbian party? Well their a lot more honest, open and not worried about how some people feel about their lifestyle. And do i know this firsthand ? Yes. And do i give a fuck what people think about me or my gay or lesbian or drag or normal b.b. friends Hell no!!!!! Years and i mean Years ago in catholic high there was a kid always listening to classical music while everybody else was listening to 70,s music ,kids made fun of him and one day he turned around and said ITS THE UNEDUCATED PEOPLE THAT MAKE FUN OF ME INSTEAD OF OPENING THIER MINDS TO EVERYTHING if you dont like it so what leave the people alone!!!! Its not your fuckin world its everybody,s!!!!!! Pat IP: Logged |
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The Whole F/N Show Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 496) |
posted August 12, 2000 12:04 AM
Do I think being gay is wrong? No. Does seeing 2 guys kissing make me feel uncomfortable? Yes. Does seeing 2 hot girls kiss turn me on? Yes. I feel the way I feel. And that's that. If someone doesn't like it TS. I don't judge anyone based on sexual preference, but as a gay man why should you care what I think? If I go out with a girl who is white I really don't give 2 shits if anyone has a problem with it. And sometimes people are just too damn sensetive. I posted an amnimated gif of the Amiguously Gay Duo and you gave me the finger Matt. I guess that's what you were doing I didn't bother to ask. I wasn't taking a shot a gays either. The AMG duo is funny and I know plenty of gays who agree. [This message has been edited by The Whole F/N Show (edited August 12, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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YellowD98 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 522) |
posted August 12, 2000 12:20 AM
its interesting conversation. People like gossip, and people like talking about all sorts of crap. Talking about gays in bed is no different than talking about getting a hand job from two different girls. Some people like eating azz, personally I think its the most repulsive thing in the world (even more so than man to man penetration). So I say, god thats f*cking disgusting. I say the same thing about man on man and man on animals. To me, its fuck*ng gross, but its good conversation when you're comfortable talking about that crap with people. With good friends I talk about some parts of my sex life. Is it their business what I do? No. but the social taboos no longer exist like they used to, so anything thats scandelous makes good talkings. So why should a post exclaiming: Getting head is gross be any different than getting analy penetrated is disgusting? Its because everyone wants to be a victim and no one can take a joke about themselves anymore. Everyone has a slang name for them, jew, nigger, fag, chink, cracker, homie... don't take the internet too seriously, everyone hates at one time or another. IP: Logged |
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mystic_hormones Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 282) |
posted August 12, 2000 12:53 AM
I personally dislike gays all the way. I said it before I cannot understand how a guy can actually like looking at another and have a sexual desire and even worse having sex with a man. I personally am not a fan of woman to woman relations. I think that male and female homosexuality deserves as much respect as an empty protein container. An ass was not made for schlongs to go through it. and women women realations are not like in the movies. look at real dikes. ever see any? they look nasty. yuck. but I do say this. if I am in public I will not go out of my way to show my feelings for gays. I have met both sexes of homosexuality. It is not right. Can anyone say why being strait is wrong. it isn't. enough said. proud to be strait and proud to hate homosexuality. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Snoopdog Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 38) |
posted August 12, 2000 01:17 AM
yeah Mystic,,,I agree ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1427) |
posted August 12, 2000 01:33 AM
Ya know what...my predujice lies here. If you dont take care of your body and have no good reason for not doing so...you are not my equal... I could care less what you do sexually. Can we please end this stupid chit chat..already?? later, ------------------ driven by testosterone IP: Logged |
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Blow Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 196) |
posted August 12, 2000 01:57 AM
The reason why I hate gays are because of how they act, talk and what some of em wear. If there's a gay guy that doesnt act like it, then hes ok, as long as he dont look or touch me. Being gay is a vary sick thing, its not nautural, so dont say it is, god wouldnt put somebody on the earth thats born gay when he talks about gays in the bible. IP: Logged |
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1AbBIG Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 333) |
posted August 12, 2000 10:17 AM
the only thing i am afraid of , is not finding gear. hehehe!!!!  what people do for there own personal preferences is their business. i dont care. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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JohnnyO Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 232) |
posted August 12, 2000 10:25 AM
for the haters... does the fact that I don't hate you make me a better Christian than you? I thought we were supposed to love our neighbors. I can understand not understanding what we do, or not wanting to do it, or feeling a little uncomfortable, but actually hate someone else? Why choose to believe one part of the Bible, but not the other parts? IP: Logged |
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EliteLifter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 156) |
posted August 12, 2000 10:44 AM
I�m with Show on this one... I don�t feel good about what they do and i can�t do anything to avoy it, its just what i feel... But as long as they don�t do it in public and don�t pretend to be women (NOW THATS GROSS!!!) i think they are human beings and deserve, MOST of them, to be respected... IP: Logged |
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The Whole F/N Show Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 496) |
posted August 12, 2000 10:54 AM
Well I want to clarify I don't think it wrong. And gays have a right to show affection affection in public. But I still feel a little uneasy when seeing it. IP: Logged |
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COnCReTE_MAsS Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 57) |
posted August 12, 2000 07:35 PM
why ppl always like to sound victime ? no one forced u to be what u are,i believe everyone have the choice to everything in his life inc his body,sex,religion,mind . IP: Logged |
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EliteLifter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 156) |
posted August 12, 2000 07:56 PM
Yes i understood show and you may want to re-read my post IP: Logged |
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Future One Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 188) |
posted August 12, 2000 08:25 PM
I'm afraid of getting FAKE gear!! ahhh! that pisses me off!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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JohnnyO Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 232) |
posted August 12, 2000 08:52 PM
Hey Concrete, are you saying that I'm choosing to be gay? I'm certain that being gay is a trait like hair color or body size. I am born this way. Some of the really fem guys can't change the way they act no matter how hard they try, it's inbred into them. Are you attracted to both guys and girls to where you can choose one over the other? I think for most straight guys it's not a choice, they have to have a girl. IP: Logged |
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HackN2it Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 174) |
posted August 12, 2000 09:18 PM
Gay/Not Gay....what does it really matter? I worked on a Rescue Squad for 5 years and done CPR on a few hundred people before I was even 25. What I have learned is to enjoy life the best that we can, nothing else matters. All this petty shit is pointless, enjoy life and do what makes you happy. Soon we will be dead and none of it will have mattered. What does matter is how you enjoy the short amount of time we are given.... Get big and enjoy life Hack IP: Logged |
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Pokemon Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 206) |
posted August 12, 2000 11:07 PM
FUCK GAYS, FUCK STRAIGHTS, FUCK THE MOFO!!!! Are we happy now? See ya at church.
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TrickyTrav Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted August 13, 2000 04:35 AM
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bouncer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 316) |
posted August 13, 2000 07:17 AM
I'm with the show on this one. I get turned on by women making love but feel uncomfortable looking at guys kissing, I can't help those feelings, and i don't really wish to change them. I've had this sort of conversation with a training partner I had for awhile. When he told me he was gay it did'nt bother me, but I have to admit I hated the thought that he might be getting his rocks off in the shower's after training. Without sounding like a hypocrit here I'm not homophobic, however gay man do make me feel uncomfortable. However I hope I've never said or done anything to offend gays, benders, ass bandits, pillow biters, turd packers, man hole inspectors, shirt lifters.. just kidding there guys, I'm with both 'The show and Bmom. Live and let live I suppose. Later. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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runner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 151) |
posted August 13, 2000 08:59 AM
bouncer, you forgot "fudge packers". actually, i echo everything johnnyo said. i am NOT gay by choice, and spent my first 28 years celibate to try to "avoid" my homosexuality. i'd give ANYTHING to be straight and be able to live a totally "normal" life...it's certainly NOT a "choice". IP: Logged |
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johnny_lats Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted August 13, 2000 08:45 PM
To those who hate seeing men dress as women. have you ever been to a real good drag show? My girl and I go sometimes -- man, that's some funny shit -- you will laugh your ass off. Straight bars, clubs, parties are fun, but if any of you ever get invited to go to a gay or drag party, bar, or club, you should go. They know how to party much better than we do. And that's no lie. JL IP: Logged |
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kiwi Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2) |
posted August 13, 2000 08:49 PM
If it's a choice, when did you choose to be straight? The only choice is whether or not you act on your sexuality. IP: Logged |
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FlexB Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 927) |
posted August 13, 2000 08:56 PM
Well....I said awhile ago that I would never respond to one of Matt's post (for personal reasons), but I just had to put this in: I don't approve of the gay lifestyle but it's alright as long as they don't put the moves on me or talk that gay shit around me. I just hate it when someone acknowledges their disapprovement of gays, the gay person always responds with "you just feel that way because you are insecure about your own sexual preference" I HATE THAT SHIT!!! That is their ONLY comeback when someone gay bashes!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Moderator (Total posts: 1330) |
posted August 13, 2000 09:16 PM
FlexB, I guess hell has frozen over. ha ha On a serious note, I started this thread to see what kind of responses I would get. I am not saying that we have to approve of everyone's lifestyle. I just was trying to figure out why some PEOPLE are disapproved of because of a lifestyle choice that doesn't affect anyone but those who share it with them. People who bash gays are usually inxsecure about something - you don't tear other people down when you don't know them unless there is some kind of insecurity inside you. Just want to point out the difference between bashing the lifestyle and bashing the people. The gay lifestyle is incomprehensible to me - but it foesn't matter, because I don't partake in it. I still respect the deicisions of those who choose to. To many people, using steroids is incomprehensible, but they don't need to understand it, because they aren't making the decision. Matt IP: Logged |
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mystic_hormones Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 282) |
posted August 13, 2000 11:01 PM
steroids aren't bad. it is just that in high scool and other hell holes of nonuseful education they like to try to brain wash people. I remember a long time ago when I was learning about drugs. every type of drug was mentioned. I don't think that drugs are bad it is just that all the users I have met are assholes. now with steroids. I was hearing of some really outragous sides. some may be real and some at such small a risk it doesn't matter and some unproven. but in no way can steroids ever be compared to homosexuality. if people would stop listening to the media and research themselves they would have different conclusions than media and gov. paid parties. then they could see how they are an element of a serious bb. we all know about homosexuality and these topics keep rising but oh well. homosexuality can never be right. I'll give you proof. look in your pants and see if another of that would work together. this is about true sex. not that kinky stuff. A rod + a rod = no match a vag + a vag = no match. a rod + a vag = intercourse. gays need to learn some biology. and anyone else who thinks it is o.k. and J said something earlier about half chritians. he is too if he accuses us straits. it doesn't say in the bible to be gay. it says it is wrong. If you want to get technical I will write the book/chap/verse. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Formula Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 289) |
posted August 13, 2000 11:08 PM
Live and let live!! It's really that easy. IP: Logged |
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Austin316 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 486) |
posted August 13, 2000 11:37 PM
Mystic, even though its in the bible, please do not use it as a referance or everyone else will just counter by saying that the bible bans everything. To me, homosexuality is wrong by natural law. In other words it serves no purpose and benefits no one as opposed to straight sex which is needed to populate the planetGay sex is also just down right gross IP: Logged |
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Austin316 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 486) |
posted August 13, 2000 11:37 PM
Mystic, even though its in the bible, please do not use it as a referance or everyone else will just counter by saying that the bible bans everything. To me, homosexuality is wrong by natural law. In other words it serves no purpose and benefits no one as opposed to straight sex which is needed to populate the planetGay sex is also just down right gross IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 628) |
posted August 13, 2000 11:52 PM
Matt - didn't realy want to get into this. I have run from this subject since you posted it. This is a hard subject because it so political. You guys know I'm good for a story and share alot, but on this one I can't even begin. I have work in property management for years. Matt the only thing that scares me is the dark!!!!! IP: Logged |
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mystic_hormones Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 282) |
posted August 14, 2000 12:18 AM
austin, you are right. I will not bring up the bible for certain reasons. And you are right about the natural law thing. but if we straits could know if our child would be gay would we still have them as children. I would be heart broken if I found out that I would have a gay son. I do not believe gays are born gay. they are traumatized somehow. if the parents made a non gay creating environment there would be no gays. and why doesn't a gay enjoy sex with a woman if they tried compared to being with a man. then they stand weird, act weird dress weird. and all this stuff. it is not what a man id about. we were allowed to be men. so gays should act like men. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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runner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 151) |
posted August 14, 2000 09:03 AM
mystic, not all gays are like that...maybe half of us act quite "normal". please don't think that what you see on "springer" is the norm... and just because you're gay doesn't mean you are part of any gay "lifestyle"...i hate that term. my life is similar to anyone else's, i go to work, work out, play ball, watch football on saturdays and sundays, etc. i don't see anything in my life that is part of any "lifestyle". and mystic, if women got my dick hard (forgive the vulgarity) i would be sleeping with them just as much as the next guy. it's not like i "decided" that i liked sex w/ men better. let's face it, when YOU see a hot, naked girl your body has a chemical response and sends blood to your dick...and you couldn't "force" that to happen with a man; it's the same for me only in reverse. flex, i, for one, don't think that all homophobes are insecure in their sexuality...maybe a few. but looking down on people, DOES tend to make us all feel better about ourselves...which also partly feuls all the racism in our society. it never ceases to amaze me how much racism there is amongst gays and how much homophobia there is amongst minorities. just doesn't make sense to me, but i guess everybody feels the need to look down on SOMEONE. IP: Logged |
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JohnnyO Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 232) |
posted August 14, 2000 11:42 AM
Two things: First is the New Testament argument is coming from something Paul wrote. There used to be lots of Christains who did not follow Paul. Still no where does it say it is OK to hate. It's my business if I care to "inherit the Kingdom of God". And for the "natural" thing. I had a friend doing research for a PhD at UT who could "create" gay male mice all day long .. and the mice were born that way, not traumatized or converted or recruited or anything else. He did it by restricting testosterone levels in the pregnant female. And certainly such restrictions happen naturally -- stress could be such a natural cause of a reduction of testosterone levels. My mom's father died when she was pregnant with me. My partners mom had german measles when she was pregnant with him. However my friend could not make lesbian mice. Something else is going on there. Where is the picture of the queer deer... isn't that natural? IP: Logged |
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Thick dog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1693) |
posted August 14, 2000 11:54 AM
I have nothing against homosexuals who keep their private lives to themselves. I haven't really been around them enough to speak very intelligently about the subject. I admit I enjoy poking fun at them, basically because I am a product of my environment. All of my friends like to make gay jokes. IP: Logged |
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RippedNBuff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted August 14, 2000 02:28 PM
Gay, straight, bi... Black, white, red, yellow, brown.. A fukin alien... I really don't give a fuck if you fit into any of these catagories, if you're cool to me, and you make me laugh then I'm cool with you, and this should follow for everybody. Thick headed muther fukers need to get it through your heads, Gay dudes and Les chicks are all over the place, some of your friends and coworkers are fukin gay! I remember when a bro of mine "came out of the closet" everybody was like fuk you faggot, but I still chilled with him because he was cool and thats all that mattered. I just told him that I won't talk about what me and my chick do anymore so long he doesn't tell me about what he does with dudes. Have you seen the movie big daddy? Those dudes were gross looking at each while pissing but thats not normal everyday shit, and if that happens I hope you beat the fukers ass. Peace IP: Logged |
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Rexie317 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 595) |
posted August 14, 2000 04:03 PM
Aight here we go... The Bible contradicts itself. If you want some examples email me. I don't give 2 shits if you're gay or les. Don't press you're views on me and we'll be just fine. I don't care if its bout sexuality, politics, religions, etc. If you're cool I'm cool back. If you're a prick, I'm a prick back. See the pattern? I just found out that a friend of mine is gay. I honestly don't give a shit. Hes still cool. Just b/c a person is gay doesn't mean they're automaticly attracted to you. Same concept that just b/c a girl is straight doesn't make her automaticly attracted to you. Yes when I see two guys kissing it makes me feel uncomfortable. Why? B/c I ain't attracted to guys. Yes when I see two attractive girls kissing I get turned on. Why? B/c I am attracted to girls and as the Double Mint Moto says. Double the pleasure, double the fun. Matt: "Norms" is the majority. "Freaks" are the minority. A majority of people think bein gay is wrong. Guys, you can quote me on this...Majority only means that sometimes all the fools are on the same side. IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 536) |
posted August 14, 2000 04:52 PM
Enough with the shit already. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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mrbill Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 115) |
posted August 15, 2000 06:48 AM
Johnny O...I have no problem being your friend. Now how about those 20 women your gonna set me up with??!!!?? IP: Logged |
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EliteLifter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 156) |
posted August 15, 2000 09:17 PM
The bible is an hoax how can intelligent people believe in that CRAP!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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EliteLifter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 156) |
posted August 15, 2000 09:17 PM
The bible is an hoax how can intelligent people believe in that CRAP!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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JohnnyO Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 232) |
posted August 15, 2000 09:26 PM
mr bill... if you ever in houston email me. Me and my straight friends will take you to the clubs. IP: Logged |
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Future One Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 188) |
posted August 16, 2000 12:01 AM
The Bible approves of steroid use, that's good enough for me! IP: Logged |
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mystic_hormones Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 282) |
posted August 16, 2000 12:04 AM
hey, Elite lifter. no one has solid proof of the bible being true OR NOT TRUE so don't say what you can't back up with solid evidence. And if you don't believe well thats your deal thats you but I guess all we believers and non believers can do is wait. personally I would rather believe because what if its true. and if it isn't then nothing happens. but if you don't believe and its true. bye bye. but if it isn't then you are o.k. oh and you don't actually believe that we came from monkeys do you?No flame just reality. only time will tell. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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