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glenbenton Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 869) |
posted August 10, 2000 12:03 AM
 
who here belives in abortion? i think if a chick is raped or somthing then she should be able to abort. theirs too many unwanted children out their, is say abort. dont vote for george bush IP: Logged |
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Portugese Man-O-War Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 9) |
posted August 10, 2000 12:08 AM
The Man-O-War has, for many years, been an advocate of abortion. There are too many kids with no futures running around waiting to go to jail. 'Tis the woman's choice, not the governments. IP: Logged |
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Kaisersosay Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 297) |
posted August 10, 2000 12:09 AM
Glen you actully brought up a good topic.I got a chick pregnant once.She never told me until like a year later that she got an abortion.I was so bummed I felt so bad.I think everything has a right to live.I believe in the right to choose too.But there is so many ways to prevent it that one should not get in that situation. unless you get rapped.or the baby gonna be addicted to drugs when born,or a really bad deformatity. IP: Logged |
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Sight1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 136) |
posted August 10, 2000 12:10 AM
There are so many ways to argue this issue... I for one agree that a woman has the right to choose. In a perfect world she would not have to, but we don't live in a perfect world... Do we??!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1445) |
posted August 10, 2000 12:12 AM
It is up to the woman and the MAN! Adoption ends in horror more times than not so that isnt even a good option. It isnt anyones business but the people involved kaiser that fucking sucks bro. That isnt right at all. I hope you bloodied the bitches nose. IP: Logged |
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glenbenton Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 869) |
posted August 10, 2000 12:14 AM
i think if i start using my brain befor i post, nothing bad will happen. IP: Logged |
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vlaovic Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 233) |
posted August 10, 2000 12:17 AM
I'm strongly pro-choice. Feds have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body. IP: Logged |
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Hindustan Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 91) |
posted August 10, 2000 12:22 AM
To quote the people: "Get Your laws off my body" I think fellow juicers could agree with that. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Kaisersosay Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 297) |
posted August 10, 2000 12:35 AM
Moe,I still talk to her as a friend,she was just someone to have sex with still sucks.I felt so unresponsible.I was not ready for a kid.what sucks is i only banged her once IP: Logged |
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cAbo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted August 10, 2000 12:41 AM
first of all Im against abortion, yes federals have no rights to tell a woman (or any person) what to do with his body, but the baby gestating in her belly is other person it isnt property of her or anyone, God uses his maternal machinary to procreate other human being. Others may say "its the pregnant woman choice she has freedom to dicide" but what they are forgeting is that freedom ends when it affects the freedom of the others, and everybody knows that the most valuable freedom is the freedom to live, the kid has the right to live. IP: Logged |
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d1734 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 97) |
posted August 10, 2000 01:08 AM
geez talk about a can of worms. first of all, people STOP using the "it is the mother's body" argument. that is BS and we all know it. next, don't be so unaccepting of others views. just like religion, we all believe what WE WANT to believe. personally i think that during the first few months abortion is ok. the baby barely has a brain, much less able to have a coherant thought. partial-birth abortion is another story. it blurs the line between what is murder and what isn't. why not be able to chop the head off a child within 5 seconds of it being born??? why not be able to kill a premature baby if it is less than 9 months since it was conceived??? see the point? so to conclude, i believe abortion should be legal if it does NOT blur the line between what is murder and what isn't. IP: Logged |
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TxCollegeguy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 427) |
posted August 10, 2000 01:25 AM
I personally don't agree with abortion...I also don't believe it's my place or anyone else's to make a choice like that for anyone else....
I believe that if a woman decides to have a child that a man doesn't want to have why can he not choose to support that child or not?? He can't choose to stop the woman from aborting and he can't choose from her not having....why can't he choose is involvement in that childs life when money is involved as well as personal involvement....I know that to many children are here that weren't wanted, but shouldn't a guy have some sort of say IP: Logged |
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madbomber31 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 489) |
posted August 10, 2000 01:28 AM
until the fetus has a brainstem and a heartbeat... its not human in my mind... PRO CHOICE!!!! if you are a right to lifer, to throw that at me, you CHOSE the right to life... so let someone else choose what is best for them. IP: Logged |
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BigJay81 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 331) |
posted August 10, 2000 02:49 AM
Its the envolved couples choice. Choice! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Vitaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 632) |
posted August 10, 2000 06:58 AM
I am not going to go into a big debate about this issue other than to say I am Pro-Choice all the way. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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bikinimom Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 465) |
posted August 10, 2000 08:19 AM
I am raising my daughters with the knowledge that they have the power to CREATE LIFE - not "sex is bad" or "wait until your wedding nite" BS. No matter how you slice it, the woman is the one to carry and give birth, sorry guys - thems the facts. So I am PRO CHOICE - no one has a clue what the woman is going through. I empathize with you brothas though. It is a situation that is TOTALLY out of your control, whether the woman keeps the baby, aborts it, or gives it up for adoption, so as I am teaching my daughters to take great care with whom they choose to lay down perhaps you brothas should think more about whether or not this woman is deserving of mothering your child as opposed to feeling good for a few (not passing judgement - just breaking it down plain and simple). I do agree that since the man had no say as to what happens to a fetus NO MAN should be FORCED to support a child that he does not want!!!! EVER!!! If the woman wants to keep and raise a child w/o the knowledge or consent of the man - SHE SHOULD BE ON HER OWN PERIOD!!! I know this all seems simple - there really is SO MUCH MORE to this topic, but I feel that I have effective conveyed my point of view. In closing, I hope that the abortion will be safe and legal till my ovaries dry up as well as the ovaries of my daughters. I also pray to God that neither I nor my daughters will ever have to consider this. IP: Logged |
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Natymike Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 418) |
posted August 10, 2000 08:28 AM
Lots of people claim to be ProLife, until they are in the situation. I do it myself, I think that Abortion may be murder, but, if I got some random girl pregnant, It would prevent ALOT of unwanted drama in my life and the childs life if she got an Abortion. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Dirk Diggler Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 116) |
posted August 10, 2000 08:33 AM
I really don't think there's a difference between a woman killing her baby in the womb or flushing it down the toilet at the prom. IP: Logged |
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jackfrost Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 86) |
posted August 10, 2000 09:05 AM
Most people take pregnancy for granted. I too believed it was a woman's right to choose whether or not carry a fetus, up to a point that is. I have now changed my mind on that topic. My wife and I recently found out it would be impossible for us have children, I can't tell you how we felt. This is something we may never get over, but we are coping so far. My wife and I have decided to adopt internationally. Domestic adoptions are too difficult because often times the birth mother who doesn't want to take responsibility for raising the child wants visitation rights, etc. Sorry, but you gave up the child, not yours anymore. Not to mention the fact that she could easily change her mind up to six months or more after the infant has been placed. Adoption is a viable option for these women. You will never know what not being able to naturally have a child is like unless you have been faced with it yourself. My wife lives for children, she cares for them and loves them dearly and this disaster we have had to deal with has left us emotionally drained. In closing, I ask that you consider those who can't have children. We would glady welcome someones unwanted child. IP: Logged |
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EliteLifter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 151) |
posted August 10, 2000 09:46 AM
Some of you guys don�t agree with abortion... so when you get preagnent you certainly won�t abort... seriously its a personal decision and nobody has anything to do with it... IP: Logged |
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cm3504jm Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 165) |
posted August 10, 2000 10:33 AM
It is a womans right to choose, but believe me, After you have children, one begins to change. No longer is it a thing in a womb. When you see your kids laughing, crying, hugging you, acting goofy, hitting that home run in Little league, or anything else they do. It makes it a hard choice when you think that if that child was aborted, all these memories cease to exist and no one will ever know what potential layed within that child. My wife was pro-choice until our youngest was concieved. She considered abortion, but now when we look at our youngest and how proud we are of him, the fact that we considered ending the opportunity of life for him NEVER gets discussed. Needless to say, my wife has changed her views somewhat. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Future One Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted August 10, 2000 10:44 AM
It's a good thing I never done anything with any girl, so I don't have to deal with this stuff... IP: Logged |
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The Whole F/N Show Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 479) |
posted August 10, 2000 10:49 AM
I dunno. My ex-girl had an abortion. It was mine. Our lives would have been f-ed up if she had it I think but I sometime wondered if it was the right thing to to. We did discuss it together 1st. Here's another thing I've always thought. If it's a woman's a right to choose(abortion), shouldn't it be our right to choose (steroids)? It's my body, I should be able to put whatever I want into it. IP: Logged |
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blackhaus1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 772) |
posted August 10, 2000 11:23 AM
Here we go... Abortion is NOT a good thing. Ever since its been made legal in this country, people rely on it as a form of birth control. There are ways to not get pregnant and if you are irresponsible enough to get pregnant in the first place, you should have to keep the baby. If people would have protected sex, with condoms, and a back up of the pill, there wouldn't be any unwanted pregnancies. Now there are those of you that will say "I'm not ready for a kid, the kid is gonna suffer." Well if you're not ready to raise a kid, keep your damned pants on b/c you shouldn't have been having sex in the first place!!!!!!!! Rare exceptions apply here of course, in the means of rape or the endangerment of the mother's life. In very rare instances will a rape baby be loved since it brings back such bad memories, and the mother's life is the most important here. And I have spoken ... ------------------ [This message has been edited by blackhaus1 (edited August 10, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3707) |
posted August 10, 2000 11:32 AM
Within the first trimester i think it's fine as long as it's what they want, and it's not abused. IP: Logged |
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DubSack Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted August 10, 2000 11:37 AM
your mom should have thought about abortion, seriously i think that it depends on input from both the mother and father, but it needs to be under the right circumstances for this to even be an option later, Dub IP: Logged |
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ralphe Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 224) |
posted August 10, 2000 12:38 PM
twenty one years ago the girl I was dating had an abortion and did not tell me about it for several months.....yes we had broken up because if she has one you will know...very unpleasant or was then.....any she went on to marry three more times with two children....and is now divorced....I have been married for 15 years and have two wonderful children and a wife that takes a lot of **** to stay with me......anyway there are days I think what would that child look like and be doing at 21 years old....I will never know.....am I better off or worse???????? Later IP: Logged |
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Romeo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 846) |
posted August 10, 2000 12:53 PM
this is a tough one because i have had a few scares in my life fucking broken condoms almost did romeo in but things worked out for the better...i feel that if a women wants to have it done ..then it is her choice because it is her body which is going through all the pain and such....dont get me wrong i feel a guy has some say but in no way should it be his choice...a guy is pregnant.... peace romeo ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Peanut Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 270) |
posted August 10, 2000 02:18 PM
Can someone please explain to me why a person who murders a pregnant women can be charged with the death of both the woman and the unborn baby, regardless of trimester (in most states). Why is abortion any different? It makes no sense, once again it's a double standard that was produced by our government so that people would not have to be inconveninced by an unwanted pregnancy. I can understand people wanting an abortion in the case of rape or incest but come on people, be responsible for your actions. IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Moderator (Total posts: 1316) |
posted August 10, 2000 04:30 PM
Abortion is fucking slaughter. Yes, there are kids born to mothers who never have a chance. I know this. I have seen it first hand many times. But they get more of a chance than if they were in a plastic bag inside a dumpster. My objection is simply this: I was a fetus. You were a fetus. All those pro-abortion people were fetuses. They are arguing a point which could have negated their own existence. How stupid. That argument about "it's her choice - her body" also reeks with bullshit. Yes, a woman should control her body. However, she made her "choice" when she got pregnant. She decided how to use her body at that time. NO WOMAN HAS EVER GOTTEN PREGNANT BY HERSELF. (In cases of rape/incest - I could tolerate abortion. But those pregnancies are such a small percentage - less than .1% according to the National Institute of Health) There are consequences for actions. One of the consequences of sex can be unwanted pregnancy. Aborting it doesn't eliminate the consequences. All that does is change them - the world will be deprived of what that unborn person would have offered. Abortion is for the weak. Real people take responsibility for their actions, whatever they may be. Matt PS The argument that it is OK during the first trimester or whatever is bullshit -that doesn't hold any logical weight either. Does soemthing fucking happen after 12 weeks? Does it change? No. It grows. You know what: we grow for our whole fucking lives. We never stop changing, never stop growing. Wake the fuck up! [This message has been edited by MattTheSkywalker (edited August 10, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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cAbo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted August 10, 2000 05:18 PM
im with mattTheskywalker (how old r u, bro?), your responses are allways inteligent. One thing for the ones that r pro during first months of gestation and con the last ones and the ones that say that when it doesnt has brain function or hearth beating, when it doesnt look like human... just a fact it has a genetic code that specify that it is a human being, it has the potential to grow, to participate in this existance, to bring more life, etc. In the abortion (plain and simple murder) u dont kill a cell, a group of cells, a baby, etc. as in any other murder you kill a process, A LIFE PROCESS, so when you abort you kill or finish with his potential of anything. As a matter of fact the pro choice is the dumbest most stupid choice, and like MTSw said u r arguing your own existance. IP: Logged |
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kram696969 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 535) |
posted August 11, 2000 12:21 AM
i think every child deserves a CHANCE, after all didn't YOU? like the one guy said who shot the abortion doctor in my area, he said 'if he can kill people, so can i' and i somewhat believe in that. and the thing is, that doctor who got shot was the one who delivered me?!?! hehe. he was also shot back in '94 i think at his home. kinda silly.. kram-mark IP: Logged |
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the truth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 692) |
posted August 12, 2000 02:10 AM
Blackhaus and Matt make very good points. I'm personally opposed to abortion, although I believe it should remain legal so that it remains an option for rape victims, women whose lives are in danger from pregnancy, etc. Partial birth abortion is most certainly wrong. What does not voting for Bush have to do with the issue? I believe he opposes using state funds to pay for abortions--what's wrong with that? Why should my money go into some communal pot and be used to terminate the pregnancy of some person on welfare who was too lazy or stupid to take precautions? IP: Logged |
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Dirk Diggler Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 116) |
posted August 12, 2000 11:13 AM
DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER "The pictures below are very unsettling and may produce extreme feelings of guilt, disbelief, and nausea." http://www.doellefeld.com/bcc/abortion.html IP: Logged |
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Stillhere Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16) |
posted August 12, 2000 10:29 PM
No one has the right to kill any one I dont believe in abortion. Remeber that life begins after a struggle with millions of sperm cells to get into the woman's egg. One you are in YOU HAVE EARNED IT!!!! "LIFE, IS GREAT. LEARN TO APPRECIATE NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!" IP: Logged |
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Galen Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted August 13, 2000 02:12 AM
The simple truth is, abortion is a tool of CONVENIENCE. Forget all the crap about I can't provide this child with a good life, I'm just getting my career started etc... Beautiful, loving couples often have to wait years and sometimes go to foreign countries to adopt babies. Women have abortions for personal reasons (image, career, etc) that have nothing to do with the welfare of this prospective human being. This is partially society's fault because we feel entitled to judge a woman pregnant out of wedlock. IMHO there is nothing more honorable than a woman who finds herself in an unplanned pregnancy and decides to have the baby and give it to a loving adoptive couple. She is going to be judged for allowing herself to get pregnant and then for just giving her baby away. She could have just kept this dark little secret in the closet and killed the fetus and noone would ever know. Think of the pro-choice propaganda rationally. If you killed a newborn baby you would rationalize also to save what is left of your conscience. Galen ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Rexie317 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 568) |
posted August 13, 2000 02:22 AM
I agree with Galen bout it bein about convienence. It just lets irresponsible people fuck with out condoms and not worry bout bein parents. My mom had a miscarraige a couple years before I was born. They were supposed to be twins. I feel bad for them even though I never will or have known them and that occured naturally. IP: Logged |
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Recoome Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 154) |
posted August 13, 2000 04:47 AM
It's the woman's body. God didn't give one man the right to control another man's body. IP: Logged |
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