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The Whole F/N Show
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posted August 04, 2000 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Whole F/N Show   Click Here to Email The Whole F/N Show     Edit/Delete Message
I've stopped dieting about a week before these were taken so I'm not quite at my peak but I think I look better than I once did. Hey I was a fatass at one point.

Cropped because of the dumb look on my face.

And thankfully, the last one for those who's wondering what's up with my legs. It was either this or posing in my undies.

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The Whole F/N Show
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posted August 04, 2000 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Whole F/N Show   Click Here to Email The Whole F/N Show     Edit/Delete Message
Here's me right before my I started my diet. It's before my summertime 'tan' too. Yep, brothas do get a little darker in the summertime.

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mac sloan
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posted August 04, 2000 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mac sloan   Click Here to Email mac sloan     Edit/Delete Message
Wow FN Show,you look a lot tighter in this pic,you can tell you've lost weight in this pic.Good job man.
Nice calves.

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missgalaxy
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posted August 04, 2000 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for missgalaxy   Click Here to Email missgalaxy     Edit/Delete Message
AND he's a natty

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slabcat
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posted August 04, 2000 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for slabcat   Click Here to Email slabcat     Edit/Delete Message
Nice work bro,glad things are working out so well for you. Will you describe your diet, cycling right now? Or clen or anything. Congrats again bro!

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The Whole F/N Show
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posted August 05, 2000 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Whole F/N Show   Click Here to Email The Whole F/N Show     Edit/Delete Message
Thanx guys. I'm just trying to build the best body I can.

Slabcat: I don't wear it like a medal or anything (BELIEVE ME) but I've never taken gear, clen or any anabolic pharmaceutical. Who knows I maybe I will one day when I decide I really wanna be a freak or I ultimatly hit the wall. ECA has played a major role though. Also I did very little cardio if any throughout this cutting phase.

Here's a typical day (but it varied day to day) for me during my diet:

6:45am e/c/a

7:15am Myoplex w/water

10:30am Oatmeal & peanut butter, glass of Skim Milk Plus (this stuff is GREAT, tastes like whole milk)

12:30pm e/c/a

1:15pm 2 chicken breasts, broccoli w/cheese glass of water

4:15pm 2 balance bars, water

8:00pm e/c/a

8:30pm 8 oz steak, glass of water

9:30pm train

11:pm Myoplex w/water

11:45 bedtime

Other supplements taken were multi-vitamins and flaxseed oil.

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Rexie317
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posted August 05, 2000 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rexie317   Click Here to Email Rexie317     Edit/Delete Message
Lookin good bro. Question for ya, how big are your arms? Just curious.

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underguy77
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posted August 05, 2000 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for underguy77   Click Here to Email underguy77     Edit/Delete Message
lookin good bro! keep up the good work!

peace

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Warik
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posted August 05, 2000 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Warik     Edit/Delete Message
Great work, dude. You're looking much leaner... just hit those abs a bit harder and you're good to go (although I'm not one to talk about abs since I have none... lol). What are your stats? (before stats too if you have them handy)

Keep up the good work.
-Warik

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FlexB
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posted August 05, 2000 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FlexB   Click Here to Email FlexB     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 71392430
Yo man...where's the Prince poster? lol

Just Kiddin'. Looking good bro. Your calves look big as hell in that 3rd pic!

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perfecttrainer
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posted August 05, 2000 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for perfecttrainer   Click Here to Email perfecttrainer     Edit/Delete Message
flex you look great man.Keep up the good work .I especially like your back.

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FlexB
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posted August 05, 2000 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FlexB   Click Here to Email FlexB     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 71392430
Perfect Trainer: That's Show's pic, not me.

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Frackal
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posted August 05, 2000 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frackal   Click Here to Email Frackal     Edit/Delete Message
Lookin' as good as always show. Best natty I've seen thus far. Now it's time for a mega-cycle to get FREAAAAAAAKKKKKKYY!!!!!!!!
J/K man. It's your choice, and I'm sure you know the risks, but you've got the advantage of definitely being closer to your genetic potential then most who start juicing.

What is your height/weight in the afters? BF%?

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THE STEEL BEAST
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posted August 05, 2000 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for THE STEEL BEAST   Click Here to Email THE STEEL BEAST     Edit/Delete Message
GOOD WORK SHOW.ONE AREA ID WORK ON IS THE SPREADING OF THE LATS...TRY OUT SOME WEIGHTED PULLUPS,STILL LOOKING GREAT THOUGH MAN.KEEP IT UP SO WHEN YOU DO HIT THE SCOOBY SNACKS YOU WILL BE SCOOBIED UP.

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IN IRON WE TRUST.

SO KEEP YOUR HEAD UP,CAUSE A NEW DAY WILL COME.SO LOOK TO THE SUN EVEN WHEN THE DARKNESS SHALL COME.

MOMMA MOMMA YOU KNOW YOU RAISED ME WITH NO FATHER FIGURE.I WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME LIFE.

WHILE ALL THE CRIMINALS ARE IN THEIR COATS AND THEIR TIES,ARE FREE TO DRINK MARTINIS AND WATCH THE SUNRISE,WHILE RUBIN SITS LIKE BUDDAH IN 10 FOOT CELL,AN INNOCENT MAN IN A LIVING HELL...AT LEASTS THATS THE STORY OF THE HURRICANE.


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mystic_hormones
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posted August 05, 2000 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mystic_hormones   Click Here to Email mystic_hormones     Edit/Delete Message
kudos to you. great job on the dieting. what is your weight before and after the diet?

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From the master of the Masters, keep the faith.
The best is yet to come
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kram696969
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posted August 05, 2000 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kram696969   Click Here to Email kram696969     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 15497701
congrats bro...

kram-mark
just do'in my best...

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The Dude
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posted August 05, 2000 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Dude   Click Here to Email The Dude     Edit/Delete Message
Very good dude. Congrats!

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bikinimom
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posted August 05, 2000 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bikinimom   Click Here to Email bikinimom     Edit/Delete Message
Well now ..........HHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMM !

Brotha Show ............

...Being married I can't say much more .......But, I CAN THINK WHAT I WANT!!!!!!!

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thermo
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posted August 05, 2000 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thermo     Edit/Delete Message
taking eca that late at night around 8, didnt you find it impossible to fall asleep easily after training ? cause i know if i take eca after 6 i cant sleep at night

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special_bill
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posted August 05, 2000 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for special_bill   Click Here to Email special_bill     Edit/Delete Message
i was just thinkin that about taking the ECA at 8:00pm..my brother is on it now and he's gettin crazy ripped (he already was to begin with though)...SHOW, nice physique....nice teardrop and delts...what a difference from the before pic

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Romeo
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posted August 05, 2000 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Romeo   Click Here to Email Romeo     Edit/Delete Message
hey bro you look great...keep up the good work...you give me inspiration...and ....to acheive my goals...


peace romeo

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cAbo
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posted August 05, 2000 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cAbo   Click Here to Email cAbo     Edit/Delete Message
first of all Show, congratulations, you look very good, your muscles are big and your definition is coming but just a question, could you post your routine please? also you made the statement that u r natural, also i do, so thats why im interested in your training way, other thing do ya consider yourself a genetically gifted bb?

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The Whole F/N Show
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posted August 05, 2000 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Whole F/N Show   Click Here to Email The Whole F/N Show     Edit/Delete Message
Of I thank you all. And be good Binikimom, you're married. Well don't be too good.

And if I can inspire someone that's even better than kudos. As for my exact stats I have the written down some where. I have to look for them. But I know I 5'8" before and after.

other stats I can remember:

before:
204lbs
waist 33"
arms 17 3/8"

after:
170lbs (I probably weight a couple more by now)
waist 27.5"
arms 16.5" (they shrunk! Nah, it cool. That's happens when you lose fat)

pre weighlighting:
135lbs skinny kid. I'd have to dig up a highschool pic for you to get a true idea.

And ECA doesn't bother me sleepwise. I can take it at 9pm and go to sleep midnite no problem. But I'm glad to be off it. I was tired of feeling hot all the time.

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The Whole F/N Show
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posted August 05, 2000 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Whole F/N Show   Click Here to Email The Whole F/N Show     Edit/Delete Message
cAbo,

Me genectically gifted? Nah, I don't think so. I am a natural skinny guy. What I do have is descent genectics (not great) for putting on muscle. And diet is so key (most important thing IMHO). Training right is key too. My routine is definately different from most. I have it on disc somewhere. If can't find if I'll type it up and post it. Also I have small bones. That helps create the illussion of looking bigger than you really are.

me at 17 or 18yo. around 140-145lbs

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micke
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posted August 05, 2000 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for micke   Click Here to Email micke     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 74213838
Good lookin bro....

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havoc
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posted August 05, 2000 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for havoc   Click Here to Email havoc     Edit/Delete Message
Show you look good bro, respectable physique and looks like you have been working hard, nice symetry as well, keep up the good work.

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Warik
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posted August 06, 2000 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Warik     Edit/Delete Message
16.5" arms at 5'8" 170lbs????? Dude, I'm 5'9" 175lbs and my arms are only about 14.5" flexed. Do you not train legs or something? (no offense intended, just wondering how you can have 2 inches on me with less weight and only 1" less in height...)

-Warik

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glenbenton
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posted August 06, 2000 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for glenbenton     Edit/Delete Message
hey show your pics look awesome you got the arm size i want. im 5 foot 10 175 and my arms would look tiny next to yours. acutlly my arms are about the same size yours were when you were 18. but like the dude said before me you have great arm size considering your weight. give me some tips on arms bro, i need help

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The Whole F/N Show
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posted August 06, 2000 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Whole F/N Show   Click Here to Email The Whole F/N Show     Edit/Delete Message
Warik:

I have small bones and low bf. My waist is 27.5" and wrists are just under 6.5" with just under 7% bf. What are you wrist and waist measurements and what's your bodyfat fat %? If they are not close to my measurements your answer lies there. Less fat+less bone mass = less bodyweight. Regardless I was shocked myself when I stepped on the scale and it said 170lbs. I haven't weighed that for 3 years.
And don't train legs? Not for nuthin', but did you look at all my pics? I squat 495lbs (to paralel & below sometimes) for reps of 10. Yeah, I train legs. But I'll put up my entire rountine since someone already asked me what it was. I'll find it tomorrow or just type it over.

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glenbenton
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posted August 06, 2000 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for glenbenton     Edit/Delete Message
show i dont know how you did it, my wrists are a little over 6.5. and still my biceps are still only about 14.5 inchs unflexed which is sad. my waist is like 34 inchs right now, which probably means my body fat is like almost 20%. do you do any sort of cardio? how do you cut the fat around your lower back and abs?

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Rexie317
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posted August 06, 2000 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rexie317   Click Here to Email Rexie317     Edit/Delete Message
Those are some ripped quads man. Good work.

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The Whole F/N Show
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posted August 06, 2000 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Whole F/N Show   Click Here to Email The Whole F/N Show     Edit/Delete Message
Glen,

As far training stuff I'll get into my exacts when I post my routine, but I can quickly say if you are a natural weight trainer you have to be careful not to overtrain. My sessions usually last 45 minutes on any give day. Add 10 minutes on days I do abs. I train 3-4x a week. I do very little cardio.

I will say whether you're bulking or cutting, DIET, DIET, DIET is the most important thing. You must eat to bulk. And you must eat to cut when it's time to cut.

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Warik
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posted August 06, 2000 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Warik     Edit/Delete Message
Well, Show, my wrists are a few centimeters above 6.5", my waist is about 32.5" and my bodyfat percentage is somewhere between 8% and 10%. Even a while ago when I had about 6% bf, my arms were never that big. They have never been that responsive in terms of size, but they are usually ripped.

Sorry, I didn't see the pic of the quad shot... pics like that make me want to shave my legs too cause I've got pretty decent quads despite my not-so-high squat weight (265x6 ass to floor).

Oh well, maybe I'll get another inch on my arms finally when I weigh 200 or something, lol. Eventually some of that weight has got to go to my arms.

-Warik

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skydancer
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posted August 06, 2000 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for skydancer   Click Here to Email skydancer     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 76679089
ummmmm - what Bmom said!!!

You look great Show!

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EliteLifter
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posted August 06, 2000 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EliteLifter   Click Here to Email EliteLifter     Edit/Delete Message
Congratulations Show, you look good, although you don�t have a six pac, but that�s genetics... Excellent shoulders... Do you train them (the guys with the best delts are usually the ones who don�t train them...)
Hey guys remember he has been training hard for 10 years, normal people with 10 years of training don�t need gear to be as muscular as he is, but of course the weight/arms proportion is genetics also...
The sad remark: i can�t believe you squat 495lbs for 10...

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The Whole F/N Show
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posted August 06, 2000 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Whole F/N Show   Click Here to Email The Whole F/N Show     Edit/Delete Message
Yep,

That's what I squat elitelifter. Well squated anyway. Last time I squated I did sets of 10 at 405lbs. Unless you think I should doing more after 10 years. To be honest I am in a weaken states with the lower bodyfat. Last time I did 10 reps at 495 was a month or 2 ago. A lot of squat is mental. Just throw the weight of there and go for it. If you fall down then you fall down and get yourself back up. I'm paraphasing Arnold there. Everything else you said is pretty right on. I train shoulders about once or twice a month. And I believe SANE amounts of gear will just speed up what you can do naturaly with time, patience, planning and hard work. No insane amount of gear in another story. You right about the abs to. I wish I had the genetics for a perfectly symetrical 6-pack but oh well I don't. And I got down to 6.4% bf at one point.

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MattTheSkywalker
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posted August 06, 2000 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MattTheSkywalker   Click Here to Email MattTheSkywalker     Edit/Delete Message
Show,

You have nice structure. If you do decide to ever use gear, the increase in size will look really good - everything is in proportion, and that is rare enough.

Looks good bro.

Matt

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glenbenton
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posted August 07, 2000 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for glenbenton     Edit/Delete Message
hey show how old are you>and how many years have you been lifting? and do you do chinups on the same day that you train your biceps?

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Thick dog
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posted August 07, 2000 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thick dog     Edit/Delete Message
Coming along nicely Show. We all outta post our diets one day and contrast and compare. Your developing some nice cuts in the quads and peaks on your back.

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CONAN
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posted August 07, 2000 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CONAN     Edit/Delete Message
Looking good show, keep banging in the gym! Your turn to do a comp next year! You would be a damn good middle weight. You could come in at 178lbs and rock (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you could gain even more muscle in the next year to come in another 2.5%bf lower than you are now and still weigh 178.)
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The Whole F/N Show
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posted August 07, 2000 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Whole F/N Show   Click Here to Email The Whole F/N Show     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for giving the benefit of doubt Conan. I tend to put on around 8-10lbs of muscle a year as of late. I really am starting to figure this dieting this out. So next year after another bulking phase (I won't get too fat this time) I'll probably be ready to cut-up and compete. Hopefully I'd be able to do respectably. The whole point of dieting this time was I knew I was fat and I had to do something. My moment of truth was when I couldn't button a pairs of 32" waist jeans I've worn before. I had to unbuttoned and hold them up with a belt. True story.

My before and after stats.

before:
5'8" 204lbs (even fatter then I was in that before pic)
Body Fat: I didn�t what to know. May have been 16% or more.
Chest: 44.5"
Arms: 17"
Legs: 25.5
Waist: 34" (yeesh! I had a gut)

after:
5'8" 170lbs
Body Fat: 6.8%
Chest: 43.5"
Arms: 16.5"
Legs: 24"
Waist: 27.5"


Glen: I going to post my routine today. Gotta retype it. BTW I'm 27 and I do chins on the day I do back & biceps.


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Bringin_Ruckus
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posted August 07, 2000 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bringin_Ruckus   Click Here to Email Bringin_Ruckus     Edit/Delete Message
mad props dawg...keep it real

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XdawgX
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posted August 07, 2000 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for XdawgX     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 2473175
show,

first off, those pics look great. nice work.

i see you said that diet is the key. i realize that and i have to agree. just out of curiousity, how detailed did you get with your diet? did you do a macronutrient breakdown of what you needed and split that up into 5 or 6 meals? or did you just eat 5 or 6 clean meals a day?

thanks.

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The Whole F/N Show
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posted August 07, 2000 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Whole F/N Show   Click Here to Email The Whole F/N Show     Edit/Delete Message
XdawgX,

I had the 40/30/30 plan in mind with my diet planning and tweaked it a little. A little more protein and a little less fat. I said to myself and I was going to eat around 200-250 grams of protein a day and figured everything else off that. Also keeping in mind.

1 gram of fat is 9 cals
1 gram of protein is 4 cals
1 gram of carbs is 4 cals

ex. say I followed 40/30/30 with 200g of protein. That would have me eating approx. (decimals involved so I rounded up)

200 grams protein - 800 cals.
89 grams fat - 800cals
267 grams carbs - 1064 cals.

Note I didn't follow 40/30/30 exactly. Plus I a posted a typical day for me diet-wise 6 posts into this thread. I hope this can help.

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The Whole F/N Show
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posted August 09, 2000 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Whole F/N Show   Click Here to Email The Whole F/N Show     Edit/Delete Message
And since on this asked this thread and now I�m gotting emails asking, here�s a typical work week for me.

TUESDAY
back:
3 sets T-bar row, with an additional "warm up set"
3 sets of hammer strength pulldown
3 sets of life circuit row (it's a muthafugga, trust me)
biceps:
2 sets alternating dumbbell curls, with an additional "warm up set"
3 sets of ez barl curls
cool down:
finish things up with a couple sets of chin-ups.

WEDNESDAY
Chest/triceps/Brachilis
3-4 sets Flat bench, 6-12 reps +2 additional warm-up sets
3-4 sets Incline Bench, 6-12 reps
3 sets Dumbell Flies, 6-10 reps
Triceps
2-3 sets Lying triceps extension, 8-12 reps + an additional "warm up set"
2-3 One arm overhead DB extensions
Brachilis
3 sets reserve grip DB curlsl

SATURDAY
Legs
4 sets Squats, 8-12 reps + additional warm-up sets
3-4 sets Leg Press, 8-12 reps
3 sets leg extension, 4 sets Squats
3 sets stiff leg deadlifts, 8-12 reps
3 sets leg curls, 8-12 reps
3 sets donkey press, 20-30 reps.
3 sets seat calf raises, 20-30 reps

SUNDAY
Shoulders/arms (again)
3 sets DB military press, 6-12 reps +2 additional warm-up sets
3 sets lateral raises
3 sets rear raises
2 sets hammer curl +1 warm up
2 sets one arm cable curls
2 sets close grip

I do abs 2-3x a week on varying days. I believe abs with training with weight. I shoot for 3 excersices at 3 set of 20 reps.
[**DISCLAIMER: This may not be suitable for everyone, but it works for me]

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