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Vanguard Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 142) |
posted August 01, 2000 02:23 PM
  
Who could win a fight, Hoyce Gracie(sic) or Mike Tyson? IP: Logged |
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davidg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted August 01, 2000 02:31 PM
You know I would pick Mike Tyson mainly because I love him, but man is fucked up in the head. Or is he just the stupidist fucking guy nxt to Tommy Morrison. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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juice_boy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53) |
posted August 01, 2000 02:35 PM
This is a joke. Gracie would beat Tyson in about 30 seconds and have him crying like a bitch in an arm bar. Tyson has been a world class boxer. He is not even close to a world class fighter. IP: Logged |
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The Whole F/N Show Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 412) |
posted August 01, 2000 02:37 PM
Doesn't matter. Jean-Claude Van Damme would kick both their asses. IP: Logged |
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Irish Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 35) |
posted August 01, 2000 02:38 PM
If Tyson hits Gracie, lights out! If Tyson misses, and Gracie wraps him up, lights out Tyson! You can't fight when you can't breath. IP: Logged |
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davidg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted August 01, 2000 02:45 PM
Man, I heard that van damme got his ass beat by some bouncer in New York. One punch was all it took. IP: Logged |
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TAPOUT Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 81) |
posted August 01, 2000 02:54 PM
Ground fighting rules in NHB. Look at all the top fighters, now the bigger, stronger athletes know some form of submission ground fighting that is why Royce has been getting beat at his own game lately. Tyson would always have a punchers chance just like Tank did in UFC but put him in there with someone like Mark Kerr or other top NHB fighters he will lose almost every time. I have rolled with a lot of people from collage wrestlers to boxers all good athletes but unless they know submissions or at least how to defend against them they never do good in NHB fighting. IP: Logged |
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The Whole F/N Show Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 412) |
posted August 01, 2000 02:56 PM
It was actually Van Damme's former (after that incident) bodyguard. They got into argument and the bodyguard knocked him out with one punch. The bodyguard was on Howard Stern talking about it. IP: Logged |
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Latimer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 577) |
posted August 01, 2000 03:00 PM
Chuck Zito is the guys name who whooped Van Damme. He's the big Italian dude on HBO's Oz. IP: Logged |
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davidg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted August 01, 2000 03:07 PM
It was kinda strange, I thought he was some kick boxing champion too. Besides that I heard Micky Rourke was there with Van DAmme and had to get him out before he really got hurt. I am sure that Rourke could take Zito. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Latimer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 577) |
posted August 01, 2000 03:13 PM
No way bro, Zito would smoke Rourke. They're friends anyway. IP: Logged |
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The Canadian Oak Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 50) |
posted August 01, 2000 03:41 PM
tyson is a washed up terd he cant fight anymore,he keeps talking shit about lennox lewis but wont put up and sign for a fight ------------------ IP: Logged |
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davidg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted August 01, 2000 03:46 PM
I agree with you Oak. I do like Tyson but whats all this "I'm not ready yet" bullshit. What the fuck does that mean. He has to beat some more -take a dive- tomatoe cans first. IP: Logged |
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lexicon Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 378) |
posted August 01, 2000 04:43 PM
Tyson would have no chance at all against Gracie. It would be a joke. IP: Logged |
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Tony72 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 138) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:19 AM
Im actually a Shamrock fan, but Gracie would definately take out Tyson.... IP: Logged |
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ore Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:30 AM
Tyson would eat Royce's children. IP: Logged |
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glenbenton Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 813) |
posted August 02, 2000 01:24 AM
even though gracie is a scrawney weak guy he is a master at avoiding punches and getting guys to the ground. then choking them to death with little effort. acutally if tyson studied ground fighting i think he would put up a great struggle. i remember when royce fought kimo in ufc 3 he almost lost. kimo had only been studying ground fighting for a short time and still almost won the match IP: Logged |
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Snapper55 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 97) |
posted August 03, 2000 02:30 AM
Gracie would win, he wouldnt be in the position to get punched by Tyson, he would be inside on him before his dumb ass knows it...Tyson is a retard ------------------ IP: Logged |
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mrbill Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 108) |
posted August 03, 2000 02:41 AM
If it is boxing rules...Tyson wins in less than 30 seconds. If it is NHB fighting, Tyson does not stand a chance and would be choked out or arm-barred in a couple of minutes or less. Anyone who thinks Tyson could beat any world class submission fighter in a NHB contest is either in fantasy land or does not know anything about submission fighting. IP: Logged |
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NoviceJuicer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 362) |
posted August 03, 2000 02:41 AM
Tyson broke his hand when he hit Mean Mitch Green in a bar fight in 1992 in harlem (he only bruised Mitch Green's eye). So his bare knuckle may not be all that. If they fight with NHB rules then Gracie could conceivably win. But if the rules are more limited - seriously - Tyson would bite off Gracies ear, nose, fingers if Gracie put him in the gaurd. Biting is effective if someone has you in the gaurd. Gracie is tough but he has never experienced any real pain in a fight that I have seen. If Tyson bit clean through Gracies finger, Gracie would probably let go and then the real blood bath would begin. IP: Logged |
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mrbill Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 108) |
posted August 03, 2000 03:37 AM
Novice Juicer...I was refering to fighting with NHB rules, no biting, eye-gouging etc. If you are refering to a "street fight" with absolutley no rules...then it is hard to say. Someone might pick up a rock or stick, poke out someone's eyes, bite off a finger or ear etc. In a situation like that anything is possible. You can't outpunch or choke-out a bullet. IP: Logged |
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Snapper55 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 97) |
posted August 03, 2000 02:53 PM
bad analogy, then whichever guy had betetr weopons would win yo! Neither could stop a bullet, and a gun couldnt stop a tank, I dont think that Gracie would stop if Tyson was biting through his finger, and if youve ever been put in a hold (it happend to me once when some of my smaller friends ganged up on me while just fucking around and one put me in a real sleeper hold)...the first thing you think about is freeing your neck so you can breathe, then I grabbed at his hair and tried to punch him in the balls but because I had no oxygen, I was moving in slow motion, I didnt pass out tho, because one of my other friends noticed my face was purple and got him off of me, Tyson would get his ass whooped ------------------ IP: Logged |
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NoviceJuicer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 362) |
posted August 03, 2000 05:53 PM
you can't outrun a bullet - that is true, but even expert police pistol marksman miss 75% (3/4) of their shots at 6 feet (source Sanford Strong : Strong on Crime) and if a person pulls a knife when 21 feet away from a highly trained police officer, the officer will get cut 10 times out of 10 before even unholstering his firearm (source: US Chief Of Police, and the National Law enforcement Trainers assoc). So in reality an average street punk will miss alot more times then he will hit with a gun. Knives are much more dangerous. A friend of mine who was a mugger in Harlem used to mug people with a knife from behind - but through their pockets (and asses) to get the wallets, if they turned around and saw them slashed their eyes. Street fighting is very different then NHB fighting. Which is why I think NHB is just a game for enjoyment - it is not a fight. if you ain't gonna die it ain't a fight. IP: Logged |
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glenbenton Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 813) |
posted August 03, 2000 07:51 PM
novice juicer why the fuck would you be friends with a person who mugs people and slashes eyes with knives? IP: Logged |
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mrbill Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 108) |
posted August 03, 2000 08:32 PM
hey guys i think you kind of missed my point...obviously in a "street fight" where weapons may be involved anything is possible so who knows who would win between Gracie and Tyson. I was referring to a boxing match or a NHB match. In a boxing match, Tyson wins...no contest. In a NHB match, Gracie wins...no contest. I was simply making a point because a few people thought Tyson would win in a NHB contest. It is possible if he got in a lucky punch before he was taken to the ground, but very unlikely against a skilled grappler. They would simply stay out of punching range and shoot for his legs, take him down and choke or arm-bar him. IP: Logged |
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glenbenton Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 813) |
posted August 03, 2000 09:08 PM
but say you put ken shamrock against tyson is a real steet fight, id bet it all on shamrock. a cool fight would be a no rules match pitting tank abbot verses mike tyson. where only one man will walk out of the ring alive, a full blown death match. IP: Logged |
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted August 04, 2000 12:53 AM
Boxing rules- Tyson NHB or Jujitsu rules- Gracie Street fight no weapons- ? It would be alot more one sided with a shootfighter in there instead a Brazilian Jujitsu practicioner. Gracie was pretty good but he fought the bums from the early UFC's. I mean how often do you see some sorry bitch ass Tae kwon do or Aikido guy get in there anymore? Plus Gracie loses 50% of his arsenal if his opponent doesn't have a gee and another 25% if he himself doesn't have a gee. You put Tyson in there against some shootfighter like Bart Vale or the Shamrock brothers and you'll see Tyson get his ass handed to him by someone who has an arsenal of devistating Thai kicks, body jarring slams, and match ending submissions with no need for some bitch ass gee to do it. FYI Shootfighters have the highest winning % in NHB events. IP: Logged |
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FakingIt Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 8) |
posted August 04, 2000 01:10 AM
A Shorin Ryu and Aikido trained guy won one of Dan "The Beast" Severns NHB contests. His name was Randy Savage. Regarding hanging out with a guy who used to mug people in Harlem. he is one of my best friends. The only guy I know who hugs me every time I see him. He was a really tough guy. Then a CCCN sniper (15 confirmed kills). I know him the same way I know Randy Savage and others. Through a martial arts group I train with. Its kind of a nutty group I rarely talk about. Lots of special force, US Marshalls, LEO's, LEO trainers etc (I am a certified LEO trainer). We do this thing I mentioned once before of challenging anyone to try to knock us to our knees for $100. They can strike anywhere (groin , throat, back of the neck, ribs etc) and up to 4 people can strike at once. One of my friend let 4 Dallas Cowboy linemen hit him to all 4 sides of the neck at the same time. one lineman missed and hit him right in the face - no damage done. So far pro football players have tried, pro boxers, etc. On two occassions one of our guys took a baseball bat strike from one of the Philadelphia Phillies right in the throat. A few months ago Randy Savage and some other guys I know were on Ripley s Believe it or Not letting a Mr.California bodybuilder and a kickboxing champion give it their best shot. Nobody has every collected the $100. but it attracts alot of nutty guys. We use to do out own NHB events in the 60's, 70's and 80's called the Cripple A's. But Black Belt magazine called us "animals" back then. now it is all the rage. But its not fighting - its a game for fun. Our group has never done point tournaments. You should be able to go get a sandwhich at the start of a match and know who lost (because they are the guy lying on the floor with a handerchief over their face to keep the flies from drinking the blood out of their bloody eyes and nose). IP: Logged |
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MaxMuscle Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 213) |
posted August 04, 2000 05:22 PM
Hoyce Gracie would kick Tyson's ass. Tyson is a trained boxer, Gracie is a trained fighter. I would give Tyson 2 minutes at the most. Hoyce probably would take him in a minute. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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