posted July 31, 2000 12:15 AM            

Now I just help train fighters out of my home.

posted August 01, 2000 12:07 PM            

TAPOUT, when I first started I took a mix of goju/shotokan karate. I then studied Hung Gar Kung Fu mainly for use of the animal style hand strikes. I got real sick of getting disqualified in point sparring tourneys and spent the rest of my time in submission wrestling. After 3 years of it, I started tournement fighting. Great sport, but for local tourneys, the moneys sucks.

Later,
WCP

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"If your in my path you have two choices............move!, or become part of it!!"

posted August 01, 2000 01:39 PM            

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"The more you sweat in training the less you bleed in battle"

posted August 01, 2000 06:36 PM         

Steelsoldier
I really like Greco Roman and freestyle wrestling for there takedowns and positioning.

WCP
After I broke a couple ribs training for a cage fight I gave up on those also, absolutely no money here even for the winners just a chance to move up to UFC were unless you're the top guy the money still sucks. A few people that fight in our cage fights moved to UFC but never did shit once they got there. I will still do some submission grappling turnys though. By the way thanks for the leg work out you posted I tried it couldn't wrestle or even hardly walk for a few days but hopefully it put on some size.

We always get these big ass body builder type people and some collage wrestlers that come into class thinking they are going to dominate the place. When we start rolling and they are getting tapped out by dudes half their size it gives them a new respect for the sport.

posted August 02, 2000 02:07 AM            

I would say 3 days a week, and regardless of what you do, stretch constantly, being limber will be your best freind.

Hell I dont fight anymore but still spend plenty of time on my Century flexmaster..heh..heh..heh..

Later,
WCP

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"If your in my path you have two choices............move!, or become part of it!!"

posted August 02, 2000 12:18 PM            

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"The more you sweat in training the less you bleed in battle"

posted August 02, 2000 04:20 PM            

Big Bump for my man TAPOUT who is educating the masses (AIKIDO, LOL).

posted August 03, 2000 03:32 PM            

I've got a Southern Korean Tae-Kwon-Do background (haven't practiced in years though) mixed with some boxing and street fighting tactics. I'm probably more of a natural striker, but I do OK on the ground if it goes to that.

I'm looking at getting back into a martial art and have Karate, Tae-Kwon-Do, Eagle Claw Kung Fu or Judo available. I'd like to practice for real-world combat applications, not necessarily forms or to find my way to enlightenment or whatever. What do you guys suggest?

Body-type wise, I'm 6', 207 lbs @ (about) 10% bf. I'm pretty strong if that makes any difference. Thanks!

posted August 04, 2000 01:33 AM         

And now on to clarifing your question on the difference between Japanese Jujitsu and Brazilian Jujitsu. Brazilian Jujitsu is almost completely based on Japanese Jujitsu's 2nd degree blackbelt techniques. It takes a hell of alot longer to get to those techniques in JJJ than in BJJ and that's why it (BJJ) is more desirable to most. In all actuality Japenese Jujitsu is a more complete art, if you're willing to truly dedicate yourself to the many years it takes to finally get to the 2nd degree grappling.

One more thing! Shootfighting schools teach specific techniques that neutralize and reverse the techniques for practicioners of other arts, especially BJJ practicioners and Wrestlers.

No disrespect guys, but you must have gotten a serious hard on when you saw Gracie choke out those bums from the early UFC's. I find nothing impressive in choking out 1st and 2nd degree blackbelts in Tae Kwon do. That's what the early UFC's were like and there is no way Gracie and BJJ would enjoy the same success today. I love all martial arts in general but if you want the supreme fighting style go with shootfighting.

posted August 04, 2000 01:23 PM            

But in any fight 1 on 1 jiu jitsu always gets my money as soon as they are on the floor your fucked I tryed once..! agaist a 4th Dan but in a street fight its very different as your never 1 on 1 and i find you never want to get on the floor so i find Karate very handy I have only used it once and it was only a block and a strike to the abdomen guy went straight down (Winded) the other guys left me alone but i would have been screwed if they joined in..!

I normally run only fight when you have no other options left..!

But jiu jitsu is a nice martial art but i would also learn another like Shitoryu

posted August 04, 2000 02:08 PM         

I am very aware of what shootfighting is! And you are wrong! Shootfighting rips off much more than that! Shootfighting is like crosstraining in Brazilian Jujitsu, Sambo, Judo, Thai Kickboxing, American Boxing, Wrestling, and American Karate. Even today Shootfighting continues to adopt more and more techniques, which makes it one of the few arts that continues to evolve rather than dismiss. And speaking of rip offs! How can you call shootfighting a rip off when you study under an art called Brazilian Jujitsu? Wouldn't that be some sort of an oxymoron? Brazilian jujitsu like I said is based on the techniques from Japenese Jujitsu's 2nd degree black belt techniques making it the the ultimate rip off in my opinion.

I think BJJ is better art than most but it is a far cry from being called complete. Shootfighting has a much bigger total arsenal and it always will because it changes with the times and needs of its practicioners.

But for your info vlaovic, Shootfighting originated in Japan as did BJJ. So no matter what you've been hearing, we did not originate out of Brazilian Jujitsu. What we know and use from Brazilian Jujitsu has come from what we were originally taught to neutralize and defend against it. What we liked and worked we used, and the other garbage we threw away.

Here's the history as directly evident on Shootfighting dot com.

The martial art/sport of Shootfighting is a recent creation. It had its genesis less than 25 years ago when a famous German wrestler taught the art of real wrestling, or "shooting", to a group of top Japanese martial artists. The wrestling they learned bore only a superficial resemblance to today's professional wrestling.

Two of these Japanese martial artists, Masami Soranaka, practitioner of karate, judo and sumo, and Toshiaki Fujiwara, a muay thai kickboxing champion and judo expert, combined their knowledge of these diverse styles and created what has come to be known in Japan as UWF wrestling or the strong style.

Official matches have been held for almost 10 years and the sport's popularity has grown until it is now the third most popular spectator sport in Japan behind baseball and sumo. There are currently three main organizations sanctioning matches and teaching the style. Of these, the oldest and largest is the Fujiwara Gumi (family) run by founder and former champion Yoshiaki Fujiwara.

The current world champion of the Fujiwara Gumi is Miami's Bart Vale, the first foreigner (American) to reach the highest level of the sport. Vale, who coined the term shootfighting to describe the style, combined the wrestling and muay thai techniques he learned in Japan with his experience in American karate and kickboxing to advance the sport even further. He is presently attempting to promote the sport through his Miami Shootfighting School and by holding regular matches in Florida and Califomia.

To develop the stamina and toughness necessary to compete in such a grueling sport, professionals train in Japan up to 14 hours a day. The training consists of several hours of each exercise: bag work, wrestling and kickboxing. Some of the world's top athletes, including former kickboxing champions and olympic wrestlers, now compete in Shootfighting. Techniques are drawn from all the various martial arts mentioned and favor no one style. However, the top fighters are usually the most versatile, able to kick, punch or wrestle as the situation calls for. Most martial artists are drawn to Shootfighting to leam the unique form of grappling often neglected in other systems.

Takedowns combine judo with other wrestling throws. The ground work uses a variety of joint-locks against all parts ofthe body. Most ofthese techniques use the entire body weight against an individual joint and are devastatingly effective regardless of size. Other basic martial arts principles, such as using an oppanent's weight and momentum against him, also play a big part in wrestling.