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Frackal Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 571) |
posted July 25, 2000 03:08 PM
  
*DISCLAIMER: THIS COULD HAVE GONE ON THE DIET OR TRAINING BOARDS, BUT I WANTED TO PUT IT AT HOME HERE ON THE CHAT. SORRY, BUT I THINK I'LL GET BETTER RESPONSES HERE.* I'm fucking confused. I have been frozen at the approximate same weight (188-192) for about a month now. Before I continue, lemme give you some backround info. Diet: 4500,5000 cals/day. Because of my unique schedule with work, I take in the majority of these calories as liquids. Protein/carb powder blends, milk, cottage cheese and flax oils. I eat the exact same thing everyday so I know I am getting enough calories. Training: Max-OT style. Heavy reps (4-6) to failure on all working sets. I have been able to steadily up the weights almost every workout. Rest: NEVER less than 8 hours. Usually 9-10 per night. As you can see, there is not much that can be improved here. (is there??) I don't want to increase my calories anymore because I know there is no fucking way I am burning off 5000 cals/day. No way. I am not that active. Is it possible that my body is not responding to eating the same exact thing everyday? How should that make a difference? It's calories and macronutrient ratios that matter... What could be going on?????? (I have been on this diet/training for about 3 months.) IP: Logged |
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Dlady27 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 998) |
posted July 25, 2000 03:31 PM
I KNOW THAT I AM THE LAST PERSON YOU WANT TO HEAR ADVICE FROM GOD KNOWS I NEED IT MYSELF. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE NEW ISSUE OF M&F? THERE IS AN ARTICLE EXPLAINING A NEW WAY TO GAIN MUSCLE WITH FASTER RESULTS IN IT, BY SOME DOCTOR. ANYHOW IT IS EXPLAINING HOW BY EATING "MANY" CALORIES (OVER 3,000) FOR 14 DAYS STRAIGHT THEN SUDDENLY EATING "NO" CALORIES (LESS THAN 1,000) FOR ANOTHER 14 DAYS CAN BULK YOU UP FASTER NOW. (MEANING CALORIES PER DAY) BASICALLY YOU ARE CONSTANTLY SHOCKING YUR METABOLISM. YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK OUT THE ARTICLE, I THINK IT IS GEARED MORE FOR MEN TOO. I TRIED. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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mightydog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 550) |
posted July 25, 2000 03:38 PM
Time to roll in the artillary bro. (gear) IP: Logged |
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Frackal Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 571) |
posted July 25, 2000 04:01 PM
Actually DLADY, I've tried that before. It was the first training program I did actually, (besides body for life) it was originally from EAS. It works ok, the gains are fat-free, but verrrry slow, like 2 lbs a month. To slow for me, as a beginner.
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Dlady27 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 998) |
posted July 25, 2000 04:11 PM
are you taking any of the over the counter testosterone stuff now? You could try one of elite's first maybe before going to the gear. IP: Logged |
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ryry Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 669) |
posted July 25, 2000 04:18 PM
how long have you been on this bulking phase? i assume your bulking cause your caloric consumption is high. the body hits a plateau after a certain point. take me for example. when i started i weighed 165, then i bulked up to 180, it was hard to put on anymore mass after that. then i cut back down to like 172, then bulked up again to 190... etc etc. now i weigh 215, if you've been bulking awhile you won't really put on anymore mass unless you push your caloric intake higher. cut down and bulk up again. the body needs it for growth. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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mightydog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 550) |
posted July 25, 2000 04:24 PM
Frackel, wait till 24 or up and go all out. Make it a good cycle. Don't toy with your receptor sites or buy any procuser testoterone bullshit that never worked for anyone. This is what I wish I had known when I was your age:www.cyberpump.com ; click "training" then click "HIT FAQ version 3". Been hitting it hard for a year? Take about 3 weeks off. Yes, you will come back weaker but you will rebound quickly and end up stronger than where you left off in a few months. That will give you time to study HIT routines. Stay pumped! IP: Logged |
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Romeo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 614) |
posted July 25, 2000 08:05 PM
hey bro ..maybe you should try to switch it up a little bit ...change your diet again....if the body gets used to something the effect is diminished....do some kind of looping diet....hi calories low calories...and when you eat your protein...try to change the source..of calories AND SUCH ...JUST MIGHT WORK PEACE ROMEO IP: Logged |
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Recoome Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 116) |
posted July 25, 2000 09:08 PM
CYCLE YOUR TRAINING. Training cycles are only productive for about 3-4 months, switch to another routine. Instead of doing 4-6 reps, do 8-12 for a while. Have you ever done a cycle of 20-rep squats? I guarantee your body will grow. Do some high-rep deadlifts another day during the week. Keep the weights heavy, though. And don't think that drugs are the be-all end-all of training... IP: Logged |
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Checkmatebloated Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 731) |
posted July 25, 2000 09:16 PM
I only use them in rare situations. Plat stuct like you or 3weeks out from a meet. I do not know if you use gear. If you do get 10 a-50's. snap 5 of them into quarter and 5 into halve. take half the quater at 1 at day then all the halves for 10 days and back to the quaters to finish. It always get me over a sticking point. At this low dose you will not have the major let down of the great loss everybody gets from the water retention going away..
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Frackal Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 571) |
posted July 26, 2000 02:24 AM
Thanks guys (and girl) I appreciate the advice. Ryry: I am bulking yes, and I know what you're saying about plateauing, but I do not understand where the 1000-1500+ excess calories are going though...I know I can't be burning them off, so..? I want to hit 200 before I cut up though, I'm still to damn small. Mightydog: Thanks for the advice, I know that that's what would be best for me, by-the-book, but I will be juicing in one year no matter what. I cannot wait that long. Impatience yes, but I can barely resist doing it now. I want this SOOOOOO bad!!!!! More than anything!!! Romeo: I was thinking the same thing, I may try switching the source of calories, even though I can't see how the body can tell a Twinlab carb calorie from a bananna carb calorie, but it's possible I 'spose. Recoome: I think you are right. I may try that as soon as I stop gaining strength. I will also try the middle of the night thing soon too. Checkmatebloated: Umm....I think A-50's in whatever dosage, would not be best for my first time w/ juice lol. I know you didn't know if I had juiced before or not, so thanks for your input. I've been mulling over this all day, and another solution I'm going to try is reduced training volume, 2 days-off-2 days-off rather than my current 3-days-off-etc... IP: Logged |
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mightydog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 550) |
posted July 26, 2000 09:09 AM
Ok Frackel, I did gear for the first time when I was 19, I'm 35 now and healthy as a horse, pardon the pun. I admire your enthusiasm. Keep it that way cuz its raical moves that create radical bodies. Rock on! IP: Logged |
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havoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 481) |
posted July 26, 2000 09:33 AM
Frackal, your main problem is right in front of your face, its probably not the diet or the training, its your attitude and lack of patience, shit no one is consistently gaining, there are many different types of positives that occur in training. What I mean is this: Even if you trained for a year and didnt gain any weight , that doesnt mean your at a plateau, dont judge your gains by weight and strength. Dont forget there DENSITY, MUSCLE SHAPE, MUSCLE MATURITY, all of these come with time, even roids cant give you these aspects of a complete physique, time gives them to you. What I stated above where I said the problem is right in front of your face is this: If you think you are stuck at a plateau then you have already taken a step backwards, approach like- Fuck this plateau shit, dont even think your at a plateau, fuck your plateau, move on, execute some intensity and get your mind out of the gutter, go to the gym today and treat the weights like they are your bitch, your a fucking pimp so pimp those bitch ass weights. Good luck and dont believe in plateaus, for me they dont exist. IP: Logged |
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DRRman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 337) |
posted July 26, 2000 11:27 AM
dboll, sustenon, deca, winny, and equipoise always help me to overcome any plateau i may reach!! IP: Logged |
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mightydog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 550) |
posted July 26, 2000 11:59 AM
Thats a great pep talk Havoc, but its kinda worthless if the kid is overtrained. IP: Logged |
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Frackal Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 571) |
posted July 26, 2000 11:51 PM
Actually that really WAS a great pep talk havoc. I don't think I'm overtrained 'cause even though I work as hard as I can during my workouts, I haven't been sore lately as I realized today. (Could be the problem right there eh?) Actually that shit got me kinda fired up. I know a lot of this is a mind game so I need to think positive and all that. Thanks again people for the advice. IP: Logged |
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THE STEEL BEAST Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 632) |
posted July 27, 2000 03:21 AM
WHAT THE HELL IS A PLATEAU? 
------------------ THE WEAK AND THE UGLY WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE. IP: Logged |
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mightydog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 550) |
posted July 28, 2000 11:23 AM
That would make a nice t-shirt. "There is no such thing as overtraining, only weak minds." Now if you ask me you should be super cautious of overtraining because its not something you recover from in a day or two. Its a syndrome that takes weeks to recover from. How to avoid it? Don't get there in the first place. Harness your enthusiasm and stimulate the muscle just enough to induce growth. I don't know if you are overtrained but I seem to be the only one talking about which probably leads other bros. to believe I don't know what the fuck i'm talking about. I've only been lifting for 20 years so maybe I don't know shit. See ya at the top. IP: Logged |
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2BIG4U Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 126) |
posted July 28, 2000 11:41 AM
Try the diet like DLADY says it worked for me, I dieted like that for 3 mos I went from 185 to 217 without gear...higher bf% though but it is worth it...try to change your workout routine..instead of worrying about how much weight you push...concentrate on form and the strength will come...try more sets...I try to do 8 sets of 3, or 4 sets of 7 depends on your strong & weak points....I'm still gaining weight...my BF% is up, but I have a cure for that.....last but not least...If you go for gear make damn sure you go for what you want...you ony have 1 chance at your first time your receptors will never react as good as your first time. (MOST GAINS) ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Frackal Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 571) |
posted July 28, 2000 02:38 PM
Mightydog: Don't think I didn't listen to what you said. I will be cutting back my training frequency and putting in more off days. I truly do appreciate the advice. 2BIG4U: I have actually done that program before, it was the first real bodybuilding program I tried, it was just that I was so skinny at the time, (6' 157lbs) that the 2lbs a month fat-free gains were too slow. I may try it again when I'm bigger though. I went in today and trained like a fucking animal. Short but intense. In a week I'll be laughing at myself for thinking I was at a plateau. Thanks for the help people. IP: Logged |
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