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sandiegomike
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posted July 25, 2000 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sandiegomike   Click Here to Email sandiegomike     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 70005435
Obviously I have been out of the gym, and will be for a while (too muc pain even if i wanted to). Also loading up on vitamins and glucosamine. Any other tips? Anyone else ever been through this? Can i expect to recover? I'm really nervous.....

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special_bill
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posted July 25, 2000 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for special_bill   Click Here to Email special_bill     Edit/Delete Message
mike- try deca, everybody says it alleviates joint pain...alot of guys also say dbol helped their back...good luck, heal up...

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havoc
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posted July 25, 2000 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for havoc   Click Here to Email havoc     Edit/Delete Message
Time will heal all your pain. You will recover and learn what hurts you and bothers your injury. Injuries are good in a way because they teach you valuable lessons of what not to do. Like I said you will be back and better than ever.

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Cleaner
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posted July 25, 2000 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cleaner   Click Here to Email Cleaner     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 8790283
Yeah Mike I fought upper neck pain for 12 years and finally just got the discs fused together. I wouldn't consider it as an option on lower back. Time and will power will heal you. Don't get hooked on pain pills! They can be a bitch to kick and the Doc just don't seem to mind giving them away.
Peace

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NoviceJuicer
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posted July 25, 2000 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoviceJuicer     Edit/Delete Message
I was diagnosed with severe degenerative arthritis in 1997. They recommended full disability (which I did not take) and some meds (which I did not take). Some time back my MD put me on testo and HGh for antiaging purproses and it helped me immensely. I am not some powerlifting king that is for sure - but can do straight legged deadlifts of 275 LBs X 10 reps, and squat 365. Not incredible, but is amazing for me considering they were recommending full disability a few years ago. I am very happy. I still have an area of complete numbness on the outside of my left thigh, but my back seems to be working well now.

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BackDoc
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posted July 25, 2000 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackDoc     Edit/Delete Message
Consider taking glucosamine and chondroitin sulfates as well as being sure to drink at least a gallon of water a day. Just my 2 cents.

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Ubermass
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posted July 25, 2000 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ubermass   Click Here to Email Ubermass     Edit/Delete Message
i had one it repaired itself fully it took 2 years but without lifting weights it would have took much longer

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picasso
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posted July 26, 2000 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for picasso   Click Here to Email picasso     Edit/Delete Message
I would get a second opinion.Degenerative disc is a bullshit diagnosis in my opinion 50% of the time.I would be wary of an HMO runaround here.
I won't get on a soapbox and talk about the shitty state of insurance and the way so many docs have to follow what the bloodsuckers dictate,we're all aware of that.
2 years ago my girlfriend came down with a back problem that would not go away-back and forth she went getting every friggin pill you can think of.They said degenerative disc,there's nothing we can do blah,blah,blah.She was 35,in fantastic condition and all the sudden this.Over a year goes by fighting with fucking hmo all the way,now the pain is in her leg and she is down off her feet most of the time.
Finally took her to a doc outside HMO,he looked at her MRI(same one they had) one time and pronounced pinched nerve.Surgery was outpatient and 2 weeks bed rest.That's it,pain is gone.
Anyway during all this and talking to a lawyer after we found alot out about degenerative disc.It is a sorta buzz diagnosis now.Nobody ever heard of this 10 years ago because it is bullshit half the time.Now everyone has it because fucking insurance companies don't want to do surgeries.Anyway I'll quit bitching now,I would just say if you are not in your 50's get another opinion.

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weez
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posted July 26, 2000 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for weez   Click Here to Email weez     Edit/Delete Message
get a second opinion.....shit get 3 or 4 opinions. I do with minor stuff, let alone something like this. You'd be surprised how many doc's don't know shit or are too lazy to really figure out all the possible problems/solutions.

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sandiegomike
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posted July 26, 2000 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sandiegomike   Click Here to Email sandiegomike     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 70005435
Here's the thing, my chiropractor of 10 years who I honestly owe my health to at this point, is the one who told me it was a disc. This guy is a good chiro to, I know I've been around plenty. He never even made me get x-rays until this week. He showed my my lowest disc, and it is half the thickness of all my other discs, I saw it with my own eyes. So I do believe the bad disc theory, just wondering what advice you all can share with me on your experiences, what helped, what didn't, what supplements you took to help, how is your recovery, how long did it take, did you stop lifting..........? I greatly appreciate all the advice to this point, and any more you might have to share.

Mike

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juice_boy
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posted July 26, 2000 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juice_boy   Click Here to Email juice_boy     Edit/Delete Message
I have what is called pars defect. I'm missing ligaments in between my vertebrae. I can still lift, but I can't do anything real explosive with my lower back. My advice would be to reallywork on your lower back muscles. Start of slow and light and don't stress yourself. Build up slowly but surely and you will really strengthen and develop your lower back. This will take much of the strain off of your vertebrae. It works for me anyway.

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broomins2
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posted July 26, 2000 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for broomins2   Click Here to Email broomins2     Edit/Delete Message
eat 3 million grams of protein a day.

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Goldberg
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posted July 26, 2000 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Goldberg   Click Here to Email Goldberg     Edit/Delete Message
i had a disc removed in my neck about 3 years ago and i have felt great for the most part.
as far as the lower back...the other guys are right. keep stretching, hang from the pull up bar every so often while at the gym...also, keep your abs strong, and keep taking glucosamine along with vitamin c and multivitamins. your chiropractor should be a big help to you if he knows what he is doing, like you say.
outside of that, i have no idea....i guess first lay off the weights for awhile, if that doesnt work then go for an MRI, etc...

good luck dude

G.

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5setsofsix
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posted July 26, 2000 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 5setsofsix   Click Here to Email 5setsofsix     Edit/Delete Message
My doc gave me the same diagnosis. After several different anti-inflamitories, X-rays and an MRI. Basically he said it comes with age and its not unusual. I'm 42. It was to the point were I counldnt squat 135 without severe back pain that would last for days. I know how frustated you feel. What I can tell you is I do all the things mentioned above , ab work, hanging, weekly visits to the chiro, hyper extensions. As far as leg work I started doing leg presses several months ago. And just recently added squats on the rickey machine instead of a squat rack and for some reason I have no pain doing them on the machine. It's not as good as a free bar on the squat rack but it beats the hell out of machines or worse, skipping legs altogether. BTW I took tons of glutamine and it didnt help at all.

You might want to try celebrex. Its a new arthritis med and supposed to work wonders.

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sandiegomike
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posted July 27, 2000 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sandiegomike   Click Here to Email sandiegomike     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 70005435
thanks guys! i am on celebrex now, i will let you all know if it does wonders for lower back pain.

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NoviceJuicer
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posted July 27, 2000 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoviceJuicer     Edit/Delete Message
I am unconvinced glucosamine S or Chondroitin S will benefit the intervertebral discs - although it won't hurt. These substances have been shown to benefit the fingers, knees hips etc - which are hyalin cartilage. But the intervertebral discs are fibro cartilage, filled with a jelly like substance. Disc degeneration is not from any cartilage thinning out - but from the loss of the nucleus pulposus (the jelly like substance contained in the disc)

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BackDoc
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posted July 28, 2000 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackDoc     Edit/Delete Message
The nucleus pulposus in people with degenerated disc conditions migrates too far out of the center of gravity. Pressure results in other areas of the disc that are not meant to handle such pressure. Discs begin to bulge and pressure on the spinal filaments begins to occur. This is what's called a slipped disc. When the outer margin of the disc ruptures, it is called a herniated disc. The discs are held in place by structures called Sharpey's fibers. The fibers attach to the discs as well as the vertebra to hold everything where it should be. When they finally wear out, the discs can derange more readilly.

The question remains "what caused this to begin to happen?"
There are several speculations at this point. Obviously, I'm talking about chronic disc problems NOT acute disc injuries such as falls or accidents.
Disc height is based upon several factors. One of them being the general level of hydration of the person. Another is the degree of belly fat--which pulls the lumbar vertebra forward, thus putting extra strain on the back portion of the disc as well as making the spinal ligaments lax (loose) over time.

You might also think about adding MSM to your supplement routine, since MSM is a methyl donor and will readily supply sulfur to ligamentous tissues. Several researchers have shown that supplementation with chondroitin and glucosamine sulfates can help in both the healing and the prevention process, but that's simply not enough to keep the area stable.

Recommendations:
1)increase pure water intake to 1 gallon per day. This will help keep your body hydrated which includes your discs.

2)do not perform rigorous lifting or exercise early in the morning...studies have shown that the majority of disc problems occur in the morning. This is likely due to increased height, which places increased tension on the ligaments that hold the vertebral and disc structures firm. Remember when you first heard the rumor that you're taller when you first wake up? Well, it's true. When you sleep, gravity is not creating the downward forces on discs from the vertebra as it does when you're awake and standing or sitting. As you sleep, your discs are under less pressure and a sort of suction occurs...they pull in local water from the tissues. So first thing in the morning, the discs are fully hydrated. This may result in a height increase of up to one inch in some people. This height increase places strain on some of the ligaments responsible for vertebral stability. This extra tension means that you can do more disc damage if you are injured, since the tense ligaments can't relax as easily. So if you are worried about your back pain, then wait to exercise until later in the day.

3) work on tightening your abdominals as well as hamstrings. Most pelvic rotation in persons with disc injury is a forward rotation. The hamstrings and abs place reverse tension on the pelvis--the abs pull up, the hams from the back pull down. This will help decrease the effects of a fat belly on lumbar spinal curvature.

4)keep in contact with your doctors so they can monitor your progression.

5)supplement with various substances such as chondroitin, glucosamine, grapeseed extract, MSM, vitamin C and others based on the recommendations of a healthcare provider. They are not cures, but based on what we know, they're the best natural means of preventing further damage.

Good luck!

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5setsofsix
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posted July 28, 2000 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 5setsofsix   Click Here to Email 5setsofsix     Edit/Delete Message
Hey sandiagomike in my July 26 post I said I took tons of glutamine for joint pain and it didnt help. What I meant was I took glucosamine and condroitin (sp?). That stuff is very expensive, especially when you take a lot. Of course with certain pain you are willing to try anything. It was an absolute waste of money for me. I took it for months at the high dosage and it did NOTHING.

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