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moe dank
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posted July 17, 2000 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moe dank   Click Here to Email moe dank     Edit/Delete Message
Where do people get their morals from. My parents are both die hard christians and raised me the same. They dont drink or due drugs. They have never stolen anything. They feel drugs shouldnt be illegal because people are getting it anyway so why put them in jail. They also believe in working hard for your money.

On the other hand i am not religious, have done my fairshare of breaking into houses when i was younger, but wouldnt even think of doing something like that now. I dont think people should have to work hard and believe it or not i do think drugs should be illegal.

So where did my beliefs come from. They dont match my parents in anyway or any of the friends i grew up with really. They have also changed over time. I have always wondered what structures a child into having certain morals, but still dont even have a clue.

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BACKDRAFT
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posted July 17, 2000 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BACKDRAFT   Click Here to Email BACKDRAFT     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 79358778
Maybe TV, Movies,friends.

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ryry
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posted July 17, 2000 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ryry   Click Here to Email ryry     Edit/Delete Message

my mom is probably the most honest person in the world. she wouldn't steal a dollar if she found it on the street. but yet when i was young i was a damn thief! i'd jack stuff from stores all the time, never from another person or home though.

needless to say your morals come from you, its developed through your experiences and your environment. no one can really force their beliefs on you. its up to you to choose what is right and wrong for you...

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Frackal
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posted July 17, 2000 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frackal   Click Here to Email Frackal     Edit/Delete Message
I think it's part personality and part environment.

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Rexie317
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posted July 17, 2000 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rexie317   Click Here to Email Rexie317     Edit/Delete Message
Influence from whoever. Then as you get on you start to take what you liked and didn't and go from there. Environment will help. My work environment wants me to throw out my 'being nice to those in charge of you' out the window and shove my boss' face in the fuckin deep frier. Then well see how much he likes my fucking french fries.

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Winners make promises, losers make excuses.

" When the odds are against me I prove them wrong, when all else fails I succeed, when all else ceases to live I breath, when all turns to ashes from it I rise, so it doesn't matter what you throw at me or what you do, I am, I do, that's all that matters."
-The Iron Tank.

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Thick dog
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posted July 17, 2000 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thick dog     Edit/Delete Message
It mainly comes from your friends and whoever you associate with most often. I used to think it was from my parents but I think my parents have a hell of lot higher standards than I do, unless they live a secret life that I don't know about.

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mightydog
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posted July 17, 2000 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mightydog   Click Here to Email mightydog     Edit/Delete Message
This is not a flame, but are you adopted? Reason I'm asking is that in my earlier years I mixed with many a church folk. This is not an "all or none" rule but sometimes something that may have happed long before you could even remember could have led to increased impulsiveness. I knew a couple who had adopted a child that were similar to your parents; the child was hard to raise because the blood mother drank a lot before she was adopted. I'm not saying her drinking had a direct link but perhaps negligence was more the norm. As for you I would say whats important is the here and now and it seems you have a bright future ahead of you. Enough of this "Dear Abbey" shit! Stay pumped bro!

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moe dank
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posted July 17, 2000 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moe dank   Click Here to Email moe dank     Edit/Delete Message
No they're my real parents, but being from the south the heavy southern baptist crap was deep in my family. I just never bought that even from the first.

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nobu
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posted July 17, 2000 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nobu   Click Here to Email nobu     Edit/Delete Message
ryry is right, its all about the way you change. some people stay like that throughout their whole life, different people reach maturity at different times.

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Romeo
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posted July 17, 2000 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Romeo   Click Here to Email Romeo     Edit/Delete Message
your morals come from you...but can be influenced by who or whatever you connect with ....from reading your posts moe it is easy to see you have al pacino--tony m. from scarface thing going on....im not insulting you so please dont take it that way....all im saying is scarface king of new york you wanna be it ....that is why you do what you do...you grow mary jane...you just said you feel people should not have to work hard ......that is what excites you ..that is what drives you ..there for that is you

just my opinion

peace romeo

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big_bad_buff
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posted July 17, 2000 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for big_bad_buff   Click Here to Email big_bad_buff     Edit/Delete Message


everyone knows right from wrong, it's mostly about choices

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havoc
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posted July 17, 2000 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for havoc   Click Here to Email havoc     Edit/Delete Message
Everybody has their own definition of right and wrong.

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Slopain
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posted July 17, 2000 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Slopain   Click Here to Email Slopain     Edit/Delete Message
I got mine curteousy of mi padres. They got theirs from a guilt infested religion, known as catholicism wich I do practice somewhat (now everyone take it easy I am not bringing up religion out of the blue - but for some they do play a integral part in morals)

I seriously think music/media/movies whatever are playing a bigger and bigger part of peoples morals every year. What do you expect from people who were babysitted by TV and learned more from movies about "real life" then their parents could teach them.

Slopain

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The Dude
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posted July 17, 2000 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Dude   Click Here to Email The Dude     Edit/Delete Message
My parents mostly. They never drilled anything into my head, but instead set a damn good example. I guess if I wouldn't have paid attention I'd be in a world of hurt right now. However, I've always paid attention to others because you can learn so much through observation and conversation. Talk less, watch and listen more, and you will always be learning valuable lessons.

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Checkmatebloated
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posted July 17, 2000 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Checkmatebloated   Click Here to Email Checkmatebloated     Edit/Delete Message
Face it bro! your just a bad person. hehehe! LOL

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ryry
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posted July 17, 2000 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ryry   Click Here to Email ryry     Edit/Delete Message

a bad person with a hairy sack... sorry i couldn't resist

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bikinimom
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posted July 17, 2000 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bikinimom   Click Here to Email bikinimom     Edit/Delete Message
It normal for a child (not that I am calling you a child - but in this case you are someone's child - your parents') to rebel as they grow. They will reject some, if not most of what their parents have raised them to believe as they begin to mature - it is part of separating ourselves from our parents and trying to find out who we are. As this process continues and we experience life for ourselves we start to realize that some if not most of what our parents tried to instill in us (in most cases, one would hope so anyway) had some sound basis - that they weren't just telling us that stealing was wrong, but that it would hurt US in some way, shape, or form. Now as we become adults and have children of our own it is miraculous how we almost turn into (horror of all horrorrs!) OUR PARENTS!!!!! Take a deep breath, I said almost - we still had our own lives with our own experiences. Hopefully as we grow we will be able to embrace what was good, and discard or improve upon the ideas or philosophies that do not work for us.

You say you grow weed in your home, brotha you think you gonna be doin that when you have kids? Get what I'm saying?

Also brotha Moe - you do realize that your parents were people BEFORE they had you. They were not born forty or fifty-something year old parents. Marriage and child-rearing change a person - BELIEVE ME, I'm not making that stuff up. (Just speaking from experience. My own hubby often comments about how I was such a bubble-headed flighty chick when we first met) It's hard for us to think of our mothers and fathers as bratty kids or dopey teenagers (I'm not trying to disrespect - I was one too!) or as youths with lofty hopes and dreams, but you know, they were - REALLY!

If something isn't working in your life, just change it. And if it's all good,

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moe dank
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posted July 17, 2000 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moe dank   Click Here to Email moe dank     Edit/Delete Message
lol at ryry! My nuts are as smooth as a babys ass.(not that i know what that feels like, but that is just what people say)

well bikinimom i hear what you are saying. I have changed alot since highschool even, but was just wondering how i ended where i am at. I havent ever known any dopegrowers or stocktraders either one. I mean you do make your own path, but until now i figured someone or something had to set you on whatever road you would end up traveling.

I sure as hell wouldnt be growing with kids around and if i do have kids they will never here the stories i am telling now. All and all i am happy as shit to be who I am and have my belief structure set up how it is.

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skydancer
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posted July 17, 2000 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for skydancer   Click Here to Email skydancer     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 76679089
Now see I'm the opposite of Moe...I was raised in a drug infested home and for the most part (except on brief period in my life) I've avoided that lifestyle completely. Most people who know me well consider me a level headed, ultra responsible person...I don't have any idea where I got that from when I look at my parents. I've been told that most people who grew up in my situation end up on the streets.

Of course, its not to say I don't have my scars from it, but who doesn't?

I can't properly answer your question Moe because I don't know myself. Interesting question though.

[This message has been edited by skydancer (edited July 17, 2000).]

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hot_latina
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posted July 18, 2000 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hot_latina   Click Here to Email hot_latina     Edit/Delete Message
It's so true how some parents knock themselves out giving their children the best of the best just to find out their son or daughter is gettig kicked out of a christian college for doing dope. I know plenty of people who went to private schools, always had an excess of everything and yet they can't grow up, because their parents are still spoon feeding them, always tell them what to do or whatever.
The truth is children aren't appreciating what life is all about, patience, investing, fear of God, problem solving, and love. How many parents do you know that model all of these?
What I've learned from my job as a school teacher is that if you show a child that you believe in him/her, even if you have reason to doubt, they will rise to the occasion. Think about it, if you tell a small child they suck, they will believe it no matter what! Parents may not say that, but they express the same message in different ways. Children pick up on that on live up to expectations. The other part to this is that everyone is driven by desires. People will give in to those too often and disregard morals that they forget what it's like to be strong and never grow the sweet fruit that skydancer is so fond of.
hl

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