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havoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 224) |
posted July 10, 2000 07:57 AM
  
There has been a few posts that are disturbing and in a way insulting to me and a few others as well. The posts and comments I am speaking of are ones related to the bullshit statement that you cant get big, ripped etc etc without AS use and the assumption that a respectable physique whether the person is huge or lean or both is using AS. Dont be so quick to judge, sure there are obvious signs(side effects), but know your shit before you make an ignorant statement. I am asked daily what I am "on" and it is the same answer "nothing", I just tell people the truth, I'm on a 9 meal a day diet and thats it, I try to point out that diet is the key and will do more for you than AS will in the "long run". Genetics plays a role of course, I am just exploiting mine. Its extremely sad that some folks rely solely on AS use instead of the key ingredients of diet, consistency and PROPER training(that word proper means alot), bodybuilding is a science , you have to find the perfect formula for your body type. The choice of using is yours, I am not against it but I dont advocate it either. Everyone who sees me will always think I have been "on" for a consistent amount of time, thats just sad that some attribute success to AS use, like I said its insulting. So basically speak for yourself not for others because you dont know the "others", just because you rely on certain things doesnt mean everyone does. Oh yeah, the only consistent supplement I use is Marijuana(contains 19 essential elements). Peace and may ignorance be subdued. IP: Logged |
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ThePitbull Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 381) |
posted July 10, 2000 09:29 AM
Hey bro, I don't know how big and/or ripped you are because I have never seen you. If you are, great. I do beleive it CAN be done, and I think it's fantastic that you have the genetics, dedication and the mental fortitude to achive these goals naturally. However, having said that, I also believe you are in a very small percentage of people who do achieve it naturally. Most people are not as geneticaaly gifted as you. They need HELP (for lask of a better term)to achieve the results they want and reach their goals. BTW, do you take any supps. at all??? (ie: creatine, tribulus, etc.) Just my thoughts on your subject, later bro. Pitbull IP: Logged |
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havoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 224) |
posted July 10, 2000 10:18 AM
Pitbull, you have some good points as well regarding others who have to use to achieve certain goals and yes I agree with you that there are a small percentage out there who have the ability to attain goals once thought that could only be attained through AS use. I wish I could educate or share my knowledge with others as far as training and diet is concerned. It would take too fucking long to type, its something that has to be shown(hands on training). Trial and Error has taught me what I have today, I wish that patience, hard work, consistency and determination would replace some of the thoughts like " I will just do a cycle and everything going to be ok". Use AS if you want, but dont make it your only resort. As far as supplements for myself, 2 months out of the year I take effervescent creatine just to get some creatine in my system, also like I mentioned I eat 9 meals a day, with every meal I have 1 scoop of whey protein, I am getting a solid 425 grams a day, also havent missed a meal in 4 years, dedication and obsession is the key. I also appreciate your mature response on the subject, like I said you had some good points that I may of overlooked. [This message has been edited by havoc (edited July 10, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 813) |
posted July 10, 2000 10:40 AM
Whats up havoc. I am curious, you say you dont advocate the use of AS - does that mean you have no intention of using them in the future? Also if your not into AS at all how did you come across the board? I am just curious how sometimes people get on the board (not you) and talk shit on AS or dont use them - It took me a little while to find the board, I am curious. no flames here. I have to agree with both of you though, I have seen very few people that are pretty big and decently cut that I know are natraul - (man I cant even spell natrual anymore lol!) but for the most part when I see someone who is huge and ripped I do assume he/she is on - I look for other sign to confirm (level of vascularity, acne, spot injection sites, hairloss/thinning, roid gut, or anything) Im not saying all the bros who use AS have these signs especially the younger ones who have the benefit of all this information we share on this board daily, but it does usually help confirm my first thought. I personally wish I would have waited a while before I started, not that I started too young (23), but I think I had 2 more years of being able to get big natrually before I needed to use AS. I am not regretfull at all, but in hind sight I could have waited a while. All that said - if you ever decide to go on, you especially will see great results and love it - mostly due to your discipline/organized schedule ect. sorry for the monday morning rant. Slopain IP: Logged |
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havoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 224) |
posted July 10, 2000 10:55 AM
Slo, like I said , I got no problem with AS, just dont need it, I was on the Rocks board because a friend recommended it for me to pass the time at work, then I came across this board from a post over there, I am on this board to help other with questions regarding routines, regiments whether training or dieting. I have supreme confidence in my knowledge about this game we call bodybuilding and I want to help others when I can. I use this board cause I enjoy it and it passes time while at work. I rarely post in the Anabolic discussion forum because I dont have anything to say, my knowledge about AS is limited because I dont need to know about it. Many think to be on this board is to be affiliated with AS in some form or fashion, not true, just here to cause an occasional havoc and bullshit when I can. IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1121) |
posted July 10, 2000 11:47 AM
dont you know marijuana was sent here by satan to make everyone turn away from the lord, make love not war, and think for themselves. You must free yourself from the powers of marijuana while you still can, before satan has taken over your life.  ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 813) |
posted July 10, 2000 12:14 PM
satans got me by the short and curlies then. IP: Logged |
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havoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 224) |
posted July 10, 2000 12:29 PM
Satan doesnt exist, it is a derivative of HASATAN which is hebrew for adversary, jews called the gentiles their HASATAN, just another fucked up editing process the Bible has gone through, didnt minor in Religion for nothing. The devil is the ego inside of you, its like a snake or serpent if you will, you must chop the head of the snake for your decision process to be clear. IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1121) |
posted July 10, 2000 12:34 PM
that is just the weed talking, see what i mean!lol J/K i know there is no satan, or ........well i said no religious post i will leave it at that. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Puc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 547) |
posted July 10, 2000 02:40 PM
ego isn't the enemy, apathy and intolerance both have contributed as much to the demise of humanity. Then again, I think both of these are just as valuable to ones character as ego is, too. Don't decapitate the wyrm, he is cute. Puc IP: Logged |
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RippedNBuff Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
posted July 10, 2000 03:35 PM
Pitbull many people say that they can't get there genetically but let me ask you this. Have you ever tired that 9 meal a day diet? Most guys that go to the "Dark Side" haven't tired every "natural" method (notice how I used quotes) available, but assume that there is no other way. Let me tell you just incase you didn't know this already, eating like this takes ALL my fuckin time and yes it is working and I have seen it work for many different types of people. I have heard more dudes on gear saying that they just couldn't stick to the dieting so they started using due to lack of time. just my $.02, in no way flaming my bro's on the "dark side" because yes I do plan on doing many cycles when I'm older and want to go Pro  just keepin it real PeaceBUFF IP: Logged |
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1140) |
posted July 10, 2000 04:19 PM
thanks havoc, good post. gives hope to a bro who is trying to nail down his diet. i believe you that diet is the key. definitely. i got a little sidetracked on the board thinking that AS would make the difference but then my appetite went to shit and i got a bad injection (ive been out of the gym for about 3 days and have no appetite) well to make a long story short, im "aborting" the mission until i can get my diet down rock solid, probably gain another 10lbs in just getting the actual amount of protein i need. so basically, i think i havent reached my maximum potential just yet. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MrMuscle Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1159) |
posted July 10, 2000 05:11 PM
im gonna bump this one wholeheartedly...i hope there is room for both naturals and juicers on this board. ------------------ "...damn you for not giving my TEST" - Metallica "After this show i'll be fat and happy again.....If i make it to the show...." - Lee Priest [This message has been edited by MrMuscle (edited July 11, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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