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Natymike Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 205) |
posted June 22, 2000 02:46 PM
 
just made the announcement if anyone cares. This decision may cause some riots down here in the Lone Star State [This message has been edited by Natymike (edited June 22, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Natymike (edited June 22, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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scooby Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28) |
posted June 22, 2000 02:48 PM
Who is Gary Grahm? IP: Logged |
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lc576 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 25) |
posted June 22, 2000 02:51 PM
Even if he didn't, kill he was still a violent preditor who gave a shit about who he harmed, so why should there be riots in his name. How about his victims? IP: Logged |
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Natymike Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 205) |
posted June 22, 2000 02:53 PM
He's been all over the news the past couple of weeks, he is supposed to be executed in Huntsville TX tonight at 7et. A bunch of people say that he didn't get a fair trail, He got sentenced to death solely from one eye witnesses testimony. But there were like 5 other witnesses who said that it wasn't him, they never got called to trial, Anyways, like 5 minutes ago, the parole board rejected his reprieve. Gov. Bush can't stop it because of that. There have been a bunch of celebs and thousands of people protesting the execution, but its going to happen. Oh well. IP: Logged |
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Natymike Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 205) |
posted June 22, 2000 02:56 PM
yea Ic, I heard that he confessed to over 10 armed robberies and rapes and shit like that, so I think he had it coming even if he didn't commit the murder. IP: Logged |
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juice_boy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10) |
posted June 22, 2000 02:58 PM
I'm here in Houston and I say fry the mother fucker. Raping and Murdering little girls among other crimes must be dealt with this way. I'm tired of listening to the bleeding heart rhetoric from the liberals trying to use this against Bush. Bush may not be great, but I give him credit for not backing down on this one. Oh..Gore is a pussy! IP: Logged |
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juice_boy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10) |
posted June 22, 2000 03:01 PM
bump for capital punishment. IP: Logged |
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havoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 138) |
posted June 22, 2000 03:01 PM
I am in Houston as well and I am not a big believer in the death penalty but there is not doubt Gary G. is guilty. IP: Logged |
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Pokemon Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 138) |
posted June 22, 2000 03:10 PM
see ya, would'n want to be ya. die die die die die die die die die die die die O.J should be next. IP: Logged |
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mightydog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 238) |
posted June 22, 2000 04:07 PM
YES! Its a great day to be a Texan! I love this state! Bye bye G.G., enjoy your stay in hell. Good thing I'm not fixin' your last meal. That is one piece of shit the world will never miss. IP: Logged |
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Gilbyag Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 195) |
posted June 22, 2000 04:14 PM
TEXAS RULES!!! Kill'm all, let GOD sort'm out. IP: Logged |
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roobie Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 59) |
posted June 22, 2000 04:14 PM
I think that the controversy is larger than Gary Graham, it has to do more with the fact that people have been put to death without a fair trial and representation. We don't want to put people to death who are innocent. Gary Graham may be guilty but you have to be pretty goddam sure before you take his life. IP: Logged |
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mightydog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 238) |
posted June 22, 2000 04:20 PM
We're pretty goddam sure. Also, we Texans are pretty goddam sure we're going to enjoy evey minute he squirms. IP: Logged |
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RippedNBuff Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 37) |
posted June 22, 2000 04:21 PM
I think if a muther fucker rapes someone they should be castrated, if they kill someone they should be killed. I think he would probably choose the later in this case because it sounds like this guy can't live without his nuts, the fugger should pay.. IP: Logged |
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DubSack Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 70) |
posted June 22, 2000 04:37 PM
thats what i like about living in Texas, if u kill someone u will more then likely find yourself dead....but i think they are making this out to be more than what it is IP: Logged |
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Natymike Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 205) |
posted June 22, 2000 06:01 PM
1 HOUR AWAY!!!!------any votes on whether Bush issues a STAY???? I have a feeling that this might cause him the election. [This message has been edited by Natymike (edited June 22, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Natymike Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 205) |
posted June 22, 2000 06:11 PM
the black panthers and KKK are converging outside the prison. HMMMMM, this could get interesting IP: Logged |
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FlexB Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 383) |
posted June 22, 2000 06:16 PM
Damn...they still have The Black Panthers?! IP: Logged |
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Natymike Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 205) |
posted June 22, 2000 06:18 PM
they call themselves the "new" black panthers, they have the same shit though. All black, sunglasses, assault rifles...yada yada. IP: Logged |
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lordblazetrip Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 149) |
posted June 22, 2000 08:16 PM
is he dead yet? IP: Logged |
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Natymike Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 205) |
posted June 22, 2000 08:21 PM
He's still alive for some reason, theres been like 3 different holds, got rejected by the supreme court about 30 minutes ago, now his lawyers filed some last ditch something. IP: Logged |
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superdave Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 300) |
posted June 22, 2000 08:44 PM
Why the fuck arent the cops all over the black panthers for carrying fuckin assault rifles???? hello???? IP: Logged |
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Capt'n_Crunch Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 991) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:28 PM
The only evidence presented against him was one eye witness, while there were at least 3 eyewitnesses if not more that said it was absolutely not him. The prosecutor also presented no physical evidence because there was none against him. It is true that he had a criminal history of armed robbery (10armed robberies along with kidnapping and rape in one of the crimes) but not murder or molesting children. The one eyewitness against him, claims that she identified him from 40feet away in the middle of the night. He also had an incompetent(did not present all available witnesses or evidence) and no death penalty experienced defense. I dont know about all his other charges but as far as him being executed for this murder accusation, I think its bullshit. I have no sympathy for a murderer but for this particular case, there is just too much evidence in favor of his innocence. [This message has been edited by Capt'n_Crunch (edited June 22, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Moderator (Total posts: 1098) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:41 PM
Thank you Capt Crunch, for actually putting something coherent together. The ignorance of most of the posts is kind of sad. Most of you don't even know what they did...armed robbery, yes, rape, yep, but accoridng to the laws those do not warrant the death penalty. The evidence against Graham is shaky at BEST. Also, capital punishment in this country has outlived its usefulness. Not only is it more expensive than a true life sentence, but it often takes 10 years or more to get across. Graham was convicted in the early 1980's. Graham is a criminal who deserves some serious jail time. I am not defending him, or excusing his actions, but an execution cannot be defended without absolute certainty..... For thoseof you ignorant bozos above, I hope that you are never unfortunate enough to be a defendant.....funny that if you are, you want the systemn to work perfectly, but as long as it isn't you, you don't give a shit....... Idiots, most of you. Matt IP: Logged |
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WannaBeBig Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 90) |
posted June 22, 2000 11:22 PM
I'm a little late so the dude will probably dead by the time my post hit. But I'm glad I don't live in Texas... IP: Logged |
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Austin316 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 246) |
posted June 22, 2000 11:29 PM
In my opinion anyone who tries to kill people or violently rapes people should be killed even if no one ended up dead. Look at Donald Blumbs case up here (Minnesota) he was a convicted sex offender who was out on parol and he kidnapped and killed a girl last year. And I also think the sick fucks should be tortured to death, NO MERCY!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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mrbill Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted June 22, 2000 11:44 PM
well Matt you make some valid points, but you fail to mention that none of his so-called alibi witnesses had any credibility. Also, Grahm was never able to name the supposed witness on the night in question, he wasn't sure who it was...(that sounds like a believable story to me, especially in a capital murder case. I think I could damn sure tell who i was with in that situation). Previous to the night in question he had been on a 2 week binge of armed robberies, assault with attempted murder and rape. The attempted murder charge was never even tried as he was already convicted of capital murder and it would have been redundant to say the least. He shotgunned and robbed a man who was lucky enough to survive the experience. I can't understand the sympathy for these animals, this is not a guy off the street with no prior history of violence being railroaded for a crime. This guy was already a career violent criminal at the time of this incident. How about some sympathy for the lady he raped, or the guy he shot, or the numerous armed robbery victims. When as a society do we say enough is enough and stop blaming everything and everyone except the person who commits the crime, how about some personal responsibility for one's actions. This rant is my humble opinion. One last thing...just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion it doesn't necessarily make them an idiot. Peace. [This message has been edited by mrbill (edited June 22, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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juice_boy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10) |
posted June 22, 2000 11:52 PM
I feel comfortable that everyone that has been put to death in Texas, did in fact deserve to die. I don't care about loopholes in the law or even what the law states. The bottom line is that Texas has done the right thing. These people should have been removed from society. Texas has deemed them uncapable of rehabilitation. Therefore our choices would be to let them rot in prison while we flip the bill, or to let them face the ultimate appeal process with the man upstairs. Message to murderers, stay away from Texas. Go to California, or New York. If you murder there, you will get three square meals, a bed, and cable TV for the rest of your life. IP: Logged |
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Natymike Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 205) |
posted June 22, 2000 11:58 PM
Skywalker--I realize that he doesn't deserve the death penalty, I have been watching court tv for the past month, I know the case, and all the evidence. I know that he is innocent, the lady who identified him was 30 feet away, looking through a car windshield and claimed she only saw him for 2 seconds, an other witness was 12 feet away and saw him for about 30 seconds, said in no way was it graham, she was never called to trial but I think I might add that these people had different stories in their police reports, it was only about 7 years ago when these witnesses claimed it was not Graham, also, on the other hand Graham told a lady (while he was raping her) that he had killed 3 people and she would be next, I know this is not evidence, but Its his background and criminal history that got him the death penalty. His defense lawyer was a complete idiot but keep in mind that he has had 33 appeals, thats right, he has appealed this decision 33 times in 33 appealant courts with over 20 different judges. If I was a suspect in a murder case with a ridiculous criminal record, I would not be surprised if I was convicted for a murder, if I was in the area. IP: Logged |
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Austin316 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 246) |
posted June 23, 2000 12:02 AM
Even if he didn't kill the person it sounds like he eventually would kill someone. I say they should put a gun to his head and blow his fucking brains out. He deserves to die, if not for this murder, then for the other crimes he commited, attempted murder and rape are enough IP: Logged |
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Kahn Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 505) |
posted June 23, 2000 12:06 AM
Fuck him. Maybe if we smoke a couple of innocents(like him anyway), it'll put the other pukes and misfits on guard. Somehow, the people capable of these crimes are going to have to be taught that some things are important and if they aren't important to you, they might be important to someone else. And also that it does matter.(Sorry about starting that sentence with And) IP: Logged |
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Rexie317 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 189) |
posted June 23, 2000 12:09 AM
Any person who kills another should be killed in the same exact fashion if not worse then what their victim was succumbed to. Especially with little children. If a dude molests a little girl. He should be raped up his ass by some big ass mofo that has a 15" cock and is bout 6" round. If they cant find a mug like that then shove a dildo that size up his fuckin ass. I ain't got any compassion for murderers or child molesters. A guy that gets put in jail for killing another grown man won't necessarily get an ass whooping in jail, yet a fuck that rapes and kills a child will be beaten to a bloody pulp b/c the child couldn't defend itself. I know this cause my aunt's boyfriend was in jail for assault and while he was in there a child molestor came in and got an ass whooping of a life time every waking moment. So if this Gary Graham character did all the shit hes convicted off, let his ass fry in in the chair and again when he arrives in hell. If not then call him a martyr.victim was succumbed to. Especially with little children. If a dude molests a little girl. He should be raped up his ass by some big ass mofo that has a 15" cock and is bout 6" round. If they cant find a mug like that then shove a dildo that size up his fuckin ass. I ain't got any compassion for murderers or child molesters. A guy that gets put in jail for killing another grown man won't necessarily get an ass whooping in jail, yet a fuck that rapes and kills a child will be beaten to a bloody pulp b/c the child couldn't defend itself. I know this cause my aunt's boyfriend was in jail for something and while he was in there a child molestor came in and got an ass whooping of a life time every waking moment. So if this Gary Graham character did all the shit hes convicted off, let his ass fry in in the chair and again when he arrives in hell. If not then call him a martyr. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Capt'n_Crunch Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 991) |
posted June 23, 2000 12:11 AM
I dont think Matt wasnt talkin about being an idiot because you disagree with him, I believe he was talking about these guys passing judgement when they dont even know or bother to learn what is going on. I understand what your saying Bill, but the fact of the matter is that he had a group of eyewitnesses in support of him that were never brought to testify. How do you figure they are uncredible? The only evidence the prosecutor had was one eye witness who claims to have seen his face and remember it perfectly when she was 40 feet away and it was at night time. How can that be a credible account when a woman who was raped accidently swore up and down that she was raped by the defendant only to find out later through DNA analysis that she had identified the wrong man, and she was point blank face to face with the guy. Im sure if you have been paying attention then you have heard about it. Also, there was no physical evidence, including the gun that the prosecutor claimed he used. The gun was found to be the wrong weapon and it was found that there was no way it was the weapon used. I know he is a criminal, but where do we draw the line on executing people? If you rob a store and beat somebody up, should you be killed? how about if you do it 50 times? I dont have sympathy for criminals but I do keep my eyes and mind open and try not to jump to conclusions. We are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, not guilty because you did alot of badshit, until you prove yourself innocent. I used to believe exactly as you do now Bill, but I have become very disillusioned with our justice system. Thats my 2cents IP: Logged |
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Natymike Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 205) |
posted June 23, 2000 12:11 AM
Oh yea, I forgot to mention that he shot one of his victims in the chest with a sawed off shotgun during a robbery, luckily the guy lived, Quit treating this guy like a saint, he deserves to die. IP: Logged |
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TxCollegeguy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 348) |
posted June 23, 2000 12:34 AM
For All of those who have been speaking on this subject it's time I add my bit I have Met and talked with the 2 men that GG had shot during that time. I had met them at a Seminar the Justice For All group was holding...Cause my dad wanted me to hear some of the stories survivors of Crime had to tell both of them with a shot gun 1 was shot in the Neck and left to die, He technically did die but was revived after being dead for almost 5 min the other was Shot in his leg and severed all but a few tendons it was hanging by The woman he raped was a 57 year old grandmother at the time she was kidnapped and then raped. There Origional testimony they claimed that due to RAIN and FOG they couldn't CLEARLY see who the man was, ONLY 7 Years later did they step up and say no it wasn't him.... He had No alibi PERIOD HE didn't even OFFer one in his questioning except that he was with a girlfriend which he couldn't remember her name or where she lived..... Though I believe he was capable of Murder and Due to the other crimes I have mentioned Feel he should have been put to death; for the murder he was convicted of I'm not postive about, Supposedly there are 2 hair samples that were collected that the media has mentioned a few times and the Houston Chronicle has to. The problem I have is that some Judge is not allowing the testing of those hairs for DNA because they are so Small that by testing for DNA they would be destroyed....Though I am no Expert on testing DNA or even know the process they do that with hair....I Think they should have tested the damn hair to prove his guilt or innocence Gov Bush did not Have the Power to Set him free or turn his death sentence into Life in Prison Only the Texas board of Parole and Pardons can do that The reason being is that After Reconstruction the people of this state were to damn tired of Asshole Yanks governing the state....whom history has shown in texas set a number of Prisioners who were Northern soilders imprissioned for breaking laws here during peace time. I don't think anyone Gains from Capital Punishment but I Do feal that Criminals should be FULLY Liabel for their Actions. Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth.... My God have mercy on the victims, their faimlies, GG and his faimly IP: Logged |
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mightydog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 238) |
posted June 23, 2000 08:43 AM
O.K. bleeding hearts, lets say Texas made a mistake and he was innocent of that one murder of one eye witness. Look at his record outside the murder in question. We made a mistake? Ooooops. I compair that to accidentally stepping on a roach! IP: Logged |
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Austin316 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 246) |
posted June 23, 2000 03:49 PM
Hes dead so there. No more talk about it, he got what he deserved considering all of the shit hes done and not just this last killing IP: Logged |
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bouncer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 225) |
posted June 23, 2000 04:29 PM
Guys I have sat here looking at this empty screen for 20 minute now trying to articulate my argument against the death penelty, but words fail me. It wrong, pure and simple. The guy was a bad fucker, no doubt there. But so was O.J. Simpson, but what happened there. America was afraid to convict the fucker, and even it you did, Marcie Clark and Chris Darden were'nt even looking for the death penelty because of his celeb status. Guy's I won't go into a long thread here as I said earlier I can't find the words I'm looking for. When I read some of those thread from the Texan guys here I despere!  Matt again I agree with you. BTW, I'm living in Ireland were we don't have the death penelty, thank god. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Moderator (Total posts: 1098) |
posted June 23, 2000 04:44 PM
I will never flame anyone for disagreeing with me. I agree that Gary Graham did a lot of criminal things. And while rape is a aick crime, it is not commensurate with a death sentence in any state. I flame those who don't even really know what is going on in this case, and then proceed to come on here and make emphatic (but pointless) rants like, "hell yeah fuck him....". That's just going along with popular opinion, and almost nothing gets me more pissed than people who don't think on their own. Matt IP: Logged |
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mrbill Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted June 23, 2000 09:53 PM
Capn Crunch, as for witness credibility etc. read Txcollegeguy's reply as he states several of the facts i was referring to so there is no point in repeating them. I am also very disillusioned with the justice system and the unfortuanate reality that justice can many times be bought by those with the financial means to do so. Is this fair?? Definitely not, but that does not imply that those of less favorable financial circumstances receive more leniency. The solution is to ensure equality of sentencing regardless of income. I also realize this is a fantasy that will probably never happen. Finally, to those who oppose capital punishment regardless of the crime, what punishment do you recommend for someone who kills someone with premeditation?? Life imprisonment, is the response most would give. If this is so what about a case where someone murders and rapes multiple children?? The point being is there never a crime so heinous that something beyond life imprisonment is justified?? Is there no final limit and disregard for life that one can go beyond and not suffer the fate they inflict on another. What if the above said murderer and rapist while serving their life sentence obtains a weapon and murders a guard or fellow inmate. They are already serving life so is their action excused?? I do not feel the death penalty deters crime, but i feel it is justified on the basis that a society must put a certain value on INNOCENT life that one cannot go beyond without forfeiting their own. Rant #2 is now concluded. Peace. IP: Logged |
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denmaur Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 293) |
posted June 23, 2000 10:04 PM
It's all pretty much been said in the previous posts. Just a few more comments. Basically I'm all for Capital Punishment if it's handled right. At the very least it ensures that the one executed will never get a chance to harm another innocent human being. But for Capital Punishment to be an effective deterent, the execution has to be carried out much quicker than the 15 to 20 years it now takes to get through the appeal process. I only wish the other states were as agressive about it as Texas. IP: Logged |
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1047) |
posted June 23, 2000 10:29 PM
im not really up on the details of this but werent most of the crimes committed in 1981? i think thats the year i heard and yet it is 2000 and it took that long? my numbers may be off, even if its 1991. whether or not he is innocent is not my point. but if hes guilty, he sure had a long time to live after the crimes. IP: Logged |
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Capt'n_Crunch Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 991) |
posted June 23, 2000 11:55 PM
MrBill, that statement about the other witnesses has to also be applied to the prosecutions witness, and with that in mind and the fact that the weapon presented by prosecution did not match the weapon that was possibly used, the prosecution has no real evidence other than his previous record which I for one do believe he should have recieved a life sentence for, but not killing him. As far as the statement that he had no alibi, Im not so sure if that is true. As I remember it, he had at least one witness who said they saw him somewhere else, but my mind may have wandered and I may have misunderstood the information. Either way you put it, we have to remember that we are innocent until proven guilty, and just because he doesnt have a concrete alibi doesnt mean he did it. I do agree with what you said about our justice system, we cant be lenient on the less wealthy to even out the playing field, and I also believe in the death penalty. I think we read on the same page when it comes to our justice system, but I see too many discrepencies in this particular case, but I do understand what you are saying and where you are coming from. IP: Logged |
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JohnnyO Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 21) |
posted June 24, 2000 10:41 AM
What bothers me is that this guy was 17 years old when he went on his crime spree.. where was this guys parents? We've all done stupid things as a teenager, and it really must be hell to pay for it for the rest of your life and with your life. GG wasn't an innnocent person, but who really knows if he killed anybody though it seems at least he certainly tried to. I would think the people really responsible for all this is his parents. IP: Logged |
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mightydog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 238) |
posted June 24, 2000 11:04 AM
He did not have any parents. He crawled out of a sewer. IP: Logged |
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JohnnyO Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 21) |
posted June 24, 2000 11:51 AM
that's funny..."raised by friendly sewer gators, kept big rats as pets.." would make a great comic book... <grin> IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3534) |
posted June 24, 2000 12:53 PM
In my eyes, any violent crime deserve the death sentence. He deserves to die, maybe he got a bad trial, maybe he shouldn't fry for this murder charge, but in my eyes i'm happy they're going to kill him. IP: Logged |
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Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 865) |
posted June 27, 2000 01:01 AM
GG is gone now...RIP ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Rexie317 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 189) |
posted June 27, 2000 01:25 AM
Capital punishment is not an answer, but for murders it should be thee only answer. Eye for an eye. I know if someone killed my family member not only would I want them to die in the same fashion; I'd like to be the one to end their wasted life.. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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