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mightydog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 210) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:01 AM
  
Bench? That seems to be the first question and most important with those in our scene. I realize it is the ultimate upper body exercise but little is asked about squat and especially deadlift. I'm a big fan of deadlifting so i guess that makes me an oddball, fine, i can live with that. I read where more muscle is recruited during the deadlift than the bench and the squat for that matter. Why isn't the dead the first question. Or the squat for that matter. Why do you think the first question is not the lower body/back compound movements which recruit more muscle than the bench is not question numero uno? All theories welcome. IP: Logged |
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Thick dog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 712) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:08 AM
Squatting and deadlifting are a lot more gut-wrenching than benching. That is why not as many people do them. If you use improper form, these two exercises can invite very serious injuries as well. I still squat, but I only do stifflegged deadlifts now. Asking someone how much they squat can also be very misleading. How deep you go determines a large part of it. Some people can handle over 100 lbs more doing half squats than they can on full squats(real squats!). The best thing to do is lower the weight and do full squats, unless you have a pre-existing knee condition which prevents a full range of motion. By the way, the bench press is my best exercise...420 at 205 bodyweight. My squat isn't to much more. IP: Logged |
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MP3 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 141) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:12 AM
Thick dog, It depends what you mean by full squats. If you go all the way to the bottom (which you call real squats) it gives you a resting point. Going just below parallel is my definition of a real sqquat. IP: Logged |
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Thick dog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 712) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:16 AM
Anything below parallel would be considered a real squat. I just go down as far as I can and explode up. IP: Logged |
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mightydog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 210) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:23 AM
The same is true for the bench, I can up my bench 30 pounds in one day if I cheat. How does one cheat on the deadlift and live to tell about it? IP: Logged |
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Snapper55 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:24 PM
People talk about bench because they dont do legs usually...I call them guido lifters named after this kid Joe Guido who did chest, bis and tris 3x a week, never doing legs...its all for looks I guess, like walking down the ebach, but does anyone else see how pathetic a person with a huge cut upper body looks when he has slices of veal for legs? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:31 PM
I've seen guys go on the sauce and train their chest and arms heavy and neglect their legs. They end up with a big upper body and toothpick legs. They look ridiculous and you know it is all for their ego. They just wear some big pants to hide those puppies. I LOVE TO DEADLIFT! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigPappa Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 332) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:52 PM
who cares. I've never flat benched nor maxed out. I am concerned with building my body and fitness NOT lifting a lot of weight. No one really asks that anymore...only "powerlifters" (a.k.a fat asses) or newbie muscleheads. Shit, if I had it my way, I would be a major weakling as long as I was at 2% BF with a 54" chest and 21" arms. I dumbell bench a shitload and it is a real sore on my shoulders, triceps, etc... I would love to get a good workout by lifting light weight and save my tendons, joints, ligaments... IP: Logged |
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Iron God Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 104) |
posted June 22, 2000 02:19 PM
Big Pappa, How can expect to make huge gains if you don't lift heavy? Deads,squats,and benches are extremely important in building a well rounded powerful and by Body Building standards an aesthetic physique and 1rep maxes serve the important purpose of gauging overall progress in a training routine. I hate seeing juice up pump artists who look okay but don't lift shit there is no way you can put the kind of proper sectional muscle density without going super heavy any true body builder can see the importance of incorporating power movements into his routine. Remember Form without Function is nothing. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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FlexB Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 372) |
posted June 22, 2000 02:30 PM
I'm with you BigPoppa.......as long as I LOOK GOOD, I wouldn't give a shit HOW MUCH I could lift!! Just for the record, yes I can lift heavy, but I lift for the look not for the amount of weight I can push. When your on stage, the judge doesn't give a shit how much you can bench, they just care about how good of condition you're in compared to the other contestants. ------------------ [This message has been edited by FlexB (edited June 22, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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goleafs Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 309) |
posted June 22, 2000 02:34 PM
i can bench 190 tops , but i dont care , its all about the movements and good form. and yes i look good. im not one of those FATASS fucks who brag "yeah , i can bench 400 but i still look like a fat tub of ass". what you bench doesnt mean shit.really. IP: Logged |
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BigPappa Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 332) |
posted June 22, 2000 02:40 PM
Irongod: I was going to answer you but FlexB covered my main points. You see, I have been doing this now for over 12 years and I am just tired, man! Trust me, I lift very heavy. 100lb dumbell presses for 4 sets x 8 reps (strict ones!) yesterday. All of that puts a beating to my tendons and ligaments. My point, again, is that if I can have a healthy body with lots of muscle and NOT have to lift heavy than why would anyone want to put so much pain onto their body? Yes, this is fantasy land but I was speaking hypothetically to get my point across about not caring how much I max. There are plenty guys at my gym who probably can max out more than me, but they are not even in the same league as me when it comes to muscle size, shape, definition, etc... IP: Logged |
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Iron God Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 104) |
posted June 22, 2000 03:01 PM
My reason being "Heavy" weight is a relative thing what is heavy for one may be light to medium for another my point is constant progression is key for muscle growth(and this is not to brag) 100 x 8 is warm-up but then again I'm 5'10 269lbs 16%bf and for all the fat powerlifter comments I bodybuild and so does my brother and girlfriend(fitness Chick) and to gain muscle you also gain water and fat it's just part of the game I'm actually only cut (5%-8%bf) for maybe 12 weeks out of the year anyone who competes as a heavyweight knows what this is all about it's one of the sacrifices we make to be a Big Dogs. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Austin316 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 230) |
posted June 22, 2000 11:38 PM
I think its because people don't care how strong your legs are. Who would you be more scared of, someone kicking you (squat) or someone punching you (bench) I know the first thing I notice when sizing someone up is the size of there arms and chest, not there legs IP: Logged |
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Snapper55 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46) |
posted June 23, 2000 12:32 AM
I wouldnt look at the size of someon'e arms and be scared...huge arms are actually bad for fighting unless you know how to throw a punch. Ive never been in a fight, I have pretty big arms and I ackowledge the fact that I probably wouldnt be a good puncher because I never was taught how to. I would have to use my wrestling background if I ever did get into a fight. Yes, a more muscular person looks intimidating, but in a slugfest where two guys are just throwing punches, you never know who is good by looking at them...the main point remains, people look stupid when they have jacked upper-bodies and dont work out their legs, I dont care if you dont use heavy weights, thats not the issue, the issue is you gotta work them at least a little bit ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Austin316 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 230) |
posted June 23, 2000 12:51 AM
I know big muscles tire fast and huge guys would wear down. But the average American doese not know anything about that, if the avg person sees a guy with huge arms his first though is "whoa, better not mess with that guy" IP: Logged |
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mightydog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 210) |
posted June 23, 2000 08:54 AM
Wouldn't be much easier to build a hulk upper body when you have a size and strength advatage in the lower {body}? If I just worked upper bod, I would weigh in at say 195, but with a good squat and deadlift I'll weigh in @210-215, I guess. I theorize that extra weight will find its way to my arms. IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 382) |
posted June 23, 2000 09:39 AM
Its all about Stamina and endurance for me. I'm old school. I work out 3 x a week for about 3hours. People have come and watched and are just like your crazy. I lift to be in the best physical shape I can. I do it to be ready for what ever. When the shit goes down you don't know how long you will be standing in the crap. So I make my training and endurance fest. Someone who put in a 60min workout is doing themselves good. For me I go all out for as long as I can. I do a thing I call slamming or doubling down. I will do the same work out on back to back days without any rest. Talk about blasting the muscle - I won't recommend this to anyone but it helps me and I'll do it a couple time a quarter. As far as injuries they are a real bitch and I am careful as hell - its got alot to do with warm ups and form. IP: Logged |
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BigPappa Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 332) |
posted June 23, 2000 11:12 AM
I am not a powerlifter and never will be since I can't stand seeing myself in the mirror and not seeing my abs. And don't give me this bullshit of how you can't really get big without getting fat. I have gained 25lbs in the last 4 months and the whole time you could see my abs...all six. I am not concerned with how much weight I lift. Who cares how much you can lift!? Is that a sign of how big or cut you are? Hell no! Do you think Ronnie Coleman is the strongest mo' fo' in the Olympia top 6? Probably not. If I could get a good workout that produced results by lifting 10lb. dumbells, i would do it and love it cause then i might be able to get off of the anti-inflamatories. But again, that is fantasy land and I know. What is this about arms and legs shit? They are equally as important in the world of bodybuilding. The operative word being "bodybuilding". If you are in it for the "chick thing", then sure, go ahead take a poll of your local chicks on what bodypart they like and then blast that bodypart. Personally, I laugh at those guys who are all arms or upper body with no legs!! HA HA HA HA...I used to be one of those guys way back in early high school where I was so scared of doing legs I neglected them. I made such good gains in my upper body that my legs looked ridiculous. Now I train them harder than anything else and every 5 days. There are so many dudes at my gym that have chicken legs, its hilarious. If you don't train your legs JUST as hard as you chest, for example, than you are NOT a bodybuilder. A lot of you upper-body boys who don't train legs don't realize how ridiculous you look. No one might tell you but trust me, you do! Case closed! [This message has been edited by BigPappa (edited June 23, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 637) |
posted June 23, 2000 11:22 AM
My legs can use some work. They will get it. I do agree on BigPapees point about Looking good, not lifting for looks in the gym, but lifting for physical looks. I understand powerlifters, there goals, and ambitions - thats all good. If your a bodybuilder, then you should be concerned with how you LOOK, not how much you lift. To me its all about FORM, and how I look in the mirror. Now I have heard that bodybuilding is something we do for ourselves b/c it makes us feal and look good. But lets be honest we all like girls (or guys if thats your bag) admiring the body we have worked so hard to built. My question is are you lifting heavy to impress a gym full of mainly men... or are you lifting to look good the other 23 hours of the day. (Jumps off soapbox, picks it up and smashes it to the ground. exit slopain) Slopain IP: Logged |
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BigPappa Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 332) |
posted June 23, 2000 01:34 PM
Keep it real up in 'da field, alright!!!! IP: Logged |
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FlexB Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 372) |
posted June 23, 2000 01:54 PM
The other 23 hours of course. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28) |
posted June 23, 2000 01:57 PM
BigPoppa- No offense to you, but I strongly disagree. I train for strength and looks. It isn't about ego, cause I train at home, by myself. I'm not trying to impress anyone, except for me. I don't want to be considered a powerlifter nor a pure bodybuilder. I want to be somewhere in between. I think it is pathetic when there is a big ass mofo who can't lift shit. I think if you look big and strong, you should be big and strong. I'm not flaming you, cause I know you are strong and can lift heavy, you are just saying you would much rather lift lighter and build a nice body. I personally love the high I get from adding weight to the bar, just as much as I like when my abs come out of hiding or I see new veins popping out. Just my opinion. I'm not some asshole looking to start anything, so please don't take this wrong. I'd also like to say that this site kicks ass and I'll be visiting regularly. You seem to have a lot of guys who know their shit. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigPappa Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 332) |
posted June 23, 2000 02:26 PM
I can see your point. I too enjoy the rush and euphoric feeling I get when I am pushing heavy poundages or reached a new lift max. Its just that doing that day in and day out really taxes your joints and ligaments and without lifting heavy weights (relative to each person) we can't really grow muscle which is my goal. yeah...yeah...yeah...I know: "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". ....just fantasizing here! IP: Logged |
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