posted May 20, 2000 05:23 AM            

Wouldnt it be better to believe than not to believe & pay the conseqences.

posted May 20, 2000 08:16 AM            

Who created God?

Jeffrey Dahmer became a born again Christian before he was killed. Is he in heaven or hell?

What religion is correct?

Why was Jesus a white man?

Are God and Ala(sp) the same entity?

Has anyone ever NOT broken one or more of the ten commendments?

Why would God create the earth only to come back and destroy it?(i.e. judgement day prophecy)

If hell did not exist would you still be religous?

posted May 20, 2000 09:04 AM            

Jesus was not a "white man" as we think of them today. He would have been of an arabic/isrelie decent(best modern day explination I have)

I do not believe in an organized religion in such as the debocial the catholics(and others) created through war and oppression. If you ever go to Rome you have to see the vatican, as it is amazing. And you know how they built it?? MONEY and lots of it. I do not believe this was God's intention.

As far as has the ten commandments, the new testament tells us that God gave his only begotten Son to die for our sins so that we may not suffer. This is not an open invatation to create havoc, EVERYONE should try their hardest to do good by themselves and others.

Gentlemen, everyone is entitled to their beliefs. There have just been events in my life that have happened that I CANNOT believe that it was purly chance or "good luck". There is no doubt in my mind that God does exist and is surrounding each and everyone of us every day of our lives.

Do a browser search for the Gospel of Thomas, it is interesting reading. It also is not recognized by the catholic church because it goes against the "beliefs" they have created for us. However, it does exist, is real and came from the time period when Jesus walked the earth. Carbon dating and dna testing has proven this.

posted May 20, 2000 09:47 AM            

PARIAH

I am Pariah
Bound forever
To myself
Lost and dreaming still
No matter what I do
Can't take it any longer
Will you burn with your God
Will you die with me
In Hell you will learn everything
In Valhalla I will be a God
I am Pariah
I am the light you've been looking for

Ranger

I know, It's pretty sick shit...but ain't it cool!!

posted May 20, 2000 09:58 AM            

The evolutionist know they are right and so do the religious. For me common sense tells me there is no god in the sky playing us like puppets. I was brainwashed from birth to believe in the man in the sky just like everyone else. The brainwashing just didnt take.

when you tell someone something, that may or may not be true, over and over until they believe it as fact, that is brainwashing. you cant call it anything else

posted May 20, 2000 11:23 AM            

If there is a heaven you'll see me, i will be the one they are pulling off of jesus.

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posted May 20, 2000 12:32 PM            

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A coward dies many deaths, but the valiant die but once.

posted May 20, 2000 12:57 PM            

I for one am into WCPism......my only rule of thumb being this

"I will bow my knee not, but for my own selfish desires"

That about wraps it up.

posted May 20, 2000 01:17 PM            

I believe that we were put here to get off this rock and colonize the stars. God/ or whom ever never wanted use to sit here a blow the shit out of our selves over this silly rock.

If you want to just for second, go look at the hubble telescope pictures. And while looking at all of those of galaxies that could possibly have life and the pure wonder of our world and tell me evolution created all of this. I hope something is instore for me after my final accident.

posted May 20, 2000 01:29 PM         

L8R

posted May 20, 2000 01:44 PM            

it really makes me sick, that you guys can really talk the way you do, and believe what you do.........Ignorance will be your Doom!!

posted May 20, 2000 01:57 PM            

Religion was made by men for men, to control the masses. It's a way of instilling morals and fundamentals of decency in people through shear terror.

I for one do not belive there is some omnipotent being who created me in his likness, who watches over what i do and who cares about what i do every day. These people who stand and thank god for helping them to achieve things in their life make no sense to me at all.

I'm not so stupid as to think that there is nothing greater than me in this existance. Just look to the universe and that's obvious. There must be something else, something more, what it is, i dont' know. But the idea of god, is a feeble attempt to explain things one can't easily understand.

posted May 20, 2000 03:32 PM            

isnt fantacy great.

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posted May 20, 2000 04:06 PM         

The above is just my opinions, please don't take it to heart.

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posted May 20, 2000 06:20 PM            

In my opinion you have to be a fucking idiot to think there is a man in the sky running everything, but did i say that, no.

Dont call me a idiot because i have enough fucking sense to think for myself. fuck you, that is what i have to say about that. fuck you. smile your on tv!

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posted May 20, 2000 08:12 PM            

North East South and West are not directions in space. They are directions on earth, based on the earth's magnetic fields.

So the Earth can't move those directions in space.

Religion and the existence of God are two different things. Religion is a set of procedures and beliefs invented BY men and FOR men. Religions don't prove or disprove anything.

I believe in God. But I'm not a member of an organized religion.

Many physicists will tell you,as the y look further into space, and further into atoms and dissect the universe ever more, that the sense of order points to a creator.

Just a thought.

Matt

posted May 21, 2000 12:03 AM            

I've been trying to make comparisions with religions and beliefs my whole life. and this is what I've come up with

Reguardless of what your Book says, no matter what your stories say. They are all very similiar and though they all say something different..

For my explanation of how we were created...God created the Heavens and the Earth, and I don't think he intended to give us the answers, nor did he think we would ever get the FULL answers, I think we evolved but who's to say the steps God took to Create "Adam" and "Eve" so to speak....As far as Jesus Christ being white, I don't know and I don't care. It's known that he did exist, and it's also Known the Catholic Church has taken Great Steps over the years to hide things from people seeking the truth. I don't care. I will search till the Day I die for whatever it is thats out there. I believe there is some sort of Afterlife, and I believe that people who are Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Budaist or whatever worship the same god, but recognize him as someone different...I Don't go to a specific church, but I read the bible, the Koran, and a few collections of hindu, and budaist writtings.

As far as a few of the questions above,

Jesus is not always portrayed as white, though I knough of some Arabic people who look white...It's only perception

Even Jesus Christ was not totally Perfect or so it is believed....If we were perfect then why would God Had created us....Cause within himself he is perfect. In recorded history miracles have been preformed and for a understanding I think you can go to Miracles.com they might still have something up on it....

God is not cruel, I don't believe in Predestiny...I think if god new what was going to happen then why would he allow us to live it...No I think we are in Control of what happens to ourselves.

Well I would love to stay and write more but it's time to go Dancing...So Have a good night all

posted May 21, 2000 03:24 AM            

I have to believe or I am lost!

HOW BIG DO YOU WANT TO GET MAN!! AS BIG AS
FUCKING POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted May 21, 2000 09:50 AM            

There are 2 things people should never talk about
religion & politics.

posted May 21, 2000 10:16 AM            

The are all mad and all ready for the end. Brainy smurf was killed in a meth lab explosion so sadly he will not be a part of the final assult. he will be missed.

IN MEMORY OF BRAINY SMURF, OUR FALLEN HERO

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posted May 21, 2000 10:31 AM            

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Hey moe fuck face

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Now your god doesnt want you talking that way to people does he. Being a saved and baptized christian myself I think not.

You are a sad person. I wish i could pray for you, but i cant. People that talk to things that arent there in my opinion are crazy.

Goodluck in life, your gonna need it. Cya on the other side, we can compare notes.

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posted May 21, 2000 11:52 AM            

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SMURFS WILL KILL US ALL, I AM PREPARED ARE YOU?

posted May 21, 2000 12:19 PM            

Hey anyone here a Freemason?
Just wondering!

posted May 21, 2000 05:30 PM            

There is a time, we know not when,
A place, we know not where;
Which marks the destiny of men
To glory or despair.

There is a line, by us unseen,
Which crosses every path,
Which marks the boundary between
God's mercy and his wrath.

To pass that limit is to die,
To die as if by stealth;
It does not dim the beaming eye, Nor pale the glow of health.

The conscience may be still at ease,
The spirit light and gay;
And that which pleases still may please,
And care be thrust away.

But on that forehead God hath set
Indelibly a mark;
Unseen by man, for man as yet,
Is blind and in the dark.

He feels perchance that al is well
And every fear is calmed;
He lives, he dies, he walks in hell,
Not only doomed but damned!

O, where is that mysterious line
That may by men be crossed,
Beyond which God himself hath sworn,
That he who goes is lost?

An answer from the skies repeats,
"Ye who from God depart."
TODAY, O hear His voice,
TODAY repent and harden not your heart.

posted May 21, 2000 05:43 PM            

Religion is a product of fear. Fear of death, fear of the unknown. It is not coincidence that the more advanced a society becomes, the less inclined they are to belive in things like magic, daemons, and religion. It is also not a coincidence that the more educated a person becomes in our society the less likely he/she is to believe in God.

Believe in yourself, believe in the miracles that you can create. Believe in your own ability to battle evil and live a virtuos life. Then, you will have no need of God.

posted May 21, 2000 05:51 PM            

One question though, How can you hate someone or something that not only you have not met, but also do not believe in???

posted May 21, 2000 10:18 PM            

Wipping your ass with the bible come on now...are you for real?

If your refering to the Crusades for that example of people dying to fight for there religion...Can you really blame them? I mean If I was living in a Christian land and I had Muslim moores trying to convert me to their religion or get murdered I would fight back to. I can't exactly agree with some of the Greedy popes who started the fighting in the middle east as a retalition, and to capture the treasures those muslim kings, but thats history.

as far as religion being a product of fear, how can you base such a claim. in the U.S. you aren't threatned with death for not having faith...I don't fear death and I'm a Christian. I believe cause I've searched for answers to my questions and have been satisfied with the answers so far. I have yet to find anything to make me not believe in God.

What really satisfied my questions was a life altering event

When I was in 7th grade I was given the wrong dossage on some Alergy medicine by my pharmacist. I didn't find out what the cause was until I was in the emergency room with a White blood cell count the was almost 5 times the amount it should have been...I had Severe vomiting, and a temp of 106, I was placed in a tub of ice for almost 1 hour while I was unconsious and because of my high temp and the ER's inability to get things undercontrol I had 3 seizures. During all of this somehow my blood pressure droped and it was feared after the medication to pick up my blood pressure didn't work that I would have some sort of heart failure. The next step they would have taken before my bp got back up was stick a needle in my heart with some sort of stuff, I don't remember what they said it was. Also during the first seziure I fell off the bed cause the arms weren't up and hit my head really hard on the floor. They thought after I started having swelling in my brain that I might have some brain damage. But the worst part didn't happen till about 4 am. I woke up to find my mom and dad standing over me crying and I couldn't Talk, or see out of my left eye. I passed out after about 45 minutes of watching them standing there crying. I didn't leave the Emergency room for over 3 hours, after that I spent the entire next day in ICU.

What still gets to me even now are 2 things... 1 the pharmicist that screwed up my medicine, luckly he was fired. I'm glad no one else had to have anything happen to them like that...Would have been nice to sue him except he didn't have anything to sue for...

2 hearing the doctor tell my parents that he thought I was going to be a vegie while I was awake, and I wasn't able to scream, moan, or anything while he was talking to them

I guess some of us have had brushes with death, but not being able to do a damn thing about mine, really humbled me and taught me alot about life, and who I am

posted May 21, 2000 10:37 PM            

It is this self-awareness that religion plays on. We are afraid of the unknown of our ending -- of our death. Religion offers a beautiful assurance: Be good and you won't end, you will transcend to a better place.

You aren't afraid of death because you are a Christian. You have decided to believe that you will not end.

I am sorry about your unfortunate incidant. I can see how and why you would choose to believe the things you do. I however, refuse to put faith in myth over myself, even if it does allow me peace. For it would be a false peace -- the product of self-deception.

Puc

posted May 21, 2000 11:29 PM            

I have had a kickass life so far, but when it is over, i will be glad. I better not keep on living. If someone put himself in the position to make me keep living, he has a ass beating coming.

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posted May 22, 2000 12:45 AM            

INDOCTRINATION- organized belief structures are in themselves inherently indoctrinational. - this is a tender subject so I will not delve into it.

INTOLERACE- this seems to be more of a problem of not practicing what you preach- for some reason organized religion seems to develop an Us or Them philosophy. the crusades, the inquisition come to mind.

IGNORANCE- total reliance on faith in the light of overwhelming contradictory evidence-eg the earth is more that 5,10, or 20 thousand years old. I would like to add that believing that "GOD" is infalliable is a normal extension of FAITH, but to believe that the leaders and writers and developers of the belief structure were/are infalliable seems to be an unecessary leap of Faith.

I personally believe that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. However, to push those beliefs on others is, I believe, a violation of human rights. Those who push their beliefs unto others, though certainly well meaning, are, perhaps, traveling down a dark path. It is often said that the road to hell, metaphorically speaking, is paved with good intentions.

Peace

in parting let me say that any issue of true FAITH, is there a god?, is one that cannot be resolved. That is the crux of it, Faith is belief WITHOUT proof or resolution of doubt.

BTW- if it seems that I focused on Judeo-Christianity it is merely because it is the religion that I am most familiar with.

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posted May 22, 2000 02:30 AM            

If we were all agnostic/evolutionists we would all know that what we have right now is all that we are ever going to have. That makes for a better society, it allows to shed our inhibitions and let us be true to one another. Religion makes great people into phony people...believe me I have seen it.

If we knew that in this moment we could meet the end wouldn't you live your life to the fullest? I try to everyday. I thank everyone for things they have done for me and show as much outward love as possible.

God is a made up being. The truth is that the Bible is a set of rules made up to keep the masses in line. It is very patriarchal and keeps men of power in power. If you have ever read it, you would know. I have read the Bible cover to cover in 6 different versions and have a copy that is interpreted from the original Aramic. It is simply just a fanciful book.

Let us not fight over whether or not there is a God. Let us agree to disagree. Christians, Keep the faith, it does not hurt to live with morals. Heathens/Athiests/Agnostics, Live with the knowledge that you are right. Be kind to your "brothers". Let them believe that a second coming is imminent. Do not scoff, for they know not what they do.

Keep lifting get huge. You christians need to stay away from gear though...your body is a "temple" treat it as jesus treated his.

One more thing, I do believe in Jesus and God sometimes. They help me win softball games. Oh and they keep me from getting in wrecks and shit.

Platinum

posted May 22, 2000 02:54 AM            

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the r�sum� of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.

So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.

And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.

Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.

I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.

But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?

Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan?

And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing.

So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with.

For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.

So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself.

And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way.

And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was. In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!

posted May 22, 2000 08:52 AM            

I also, as well, still doubt that your God would condemn me to hell for choosing my
own path through life. If he would, he is not the benevolent being of my parents
teachings. He would suffer from the same arrogance you displayed.

To Platinum -- There is a great deal of arrogance in your tone as well. It isn't
necessary to disparage someone's beliefs as a "little philosophy," whether or not you
agree with them. Most of have minds. Many of us have labored over this issue. I
know I have.

Puc
(damn i wish i could spell)

posted May 22, 2000 12:46 PM            

My father is a preacher, so naturally I became a junkie and spent the last several years in and out of lockup. But I know the bible's answers to your questions. You have to remember though, the first rule of the bible. Believe it all, or don't bother believing any. So for these answers to be true, you just have to belive what the book says.

Who created God? God has neither a beging or an end. This is something we can not understand.

Jeffrey Dahmer became a born again Christian before he was killed. Is he in heaven or hell? If he excepted Crist as his savior he is in heaven.

What religion is correct? God said "Though shall have no other gods before me" and "though shall not bow down to false idols" As long as you belive in "GOD" you are on the right track. As far as all the forms of Chirstianity... that is politics not religion. It should not be there, but sadly it is.

Why was Jesus a white man? He was a Jew, and as history goes jews are white. This is not relavent though... he came to save all people, of all races and religons.

Are God and Ala(sp) the same entity? NO!!! God is real, again this is something you just must belive in. Part of the religion is faith, so proff is not going to happen. ala would be considered a false idol

Has anyone ever NOT broken one or more of the ten commendments? Everyone except Jesus has broken all ten commandments. If you wish someone dead you have killed them in the eyes of God. But all are saved and forgiven if they ask for it. God is mercyful.

Why would God create the earth only to come back and destroy it?(i.e. judgement day prophecy) He has gone to create a better place, heaven. Heaven is a reward to those who do as he has commanded. Hell is what is left with no God. He is also a vengful God, he is giving us so many chances those who go to hell chose it. It is not hard to be a Christian. All you must do is ask for forgiveness, and believe.

If hell did not exist would you still be religous? ???? It does. Even now I am sometimes not religous. But I try.

Just curious if anyone has a good answer for any of these.

I hope you really wanted me to answer them. I will reply if you email. And this is just what the bible sayes to the best of my memory. Though I have had 23 years of training.

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posted May 22, 2000 01:42 PM            

What is it that makes you so much smarter than all of the rest of us?

When you know all there is to know, then you can make such a statement.

You are just a tiny speck of dirt in the entire universe claiming to know everything.

I doubt you or I will ever perceive what the truth is let alone write it down in words understood by future generations.

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posted May 22, 2000 09:47 PM            

fish.... rather presumptuous and arrogant to believe that christianity is the end all be all of life. Allah not God? I beg to differ, if you speak to a muslim, he will talk to you and not use the word Allah. he will say god. just because muslims have a different name for it, and a different book, who is to say that either is correct.

i find it funny to see that when christains have a safe forum to discuss such topic, they get so righteous. given the fact that the U.S is roughly 75% christian, it allows for alot of arrogance. if transplanted to India or the middle east, where Hinduism or Islam may be the religion of choice, what do they do? get humble real fast.

posted May 23, 2000 01:06 PM            

I can not see air, but I know it is there because I am breathing. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Faith is the whole basis of Christianity. And you have to admit that even if you are an atheist, you have to have a little bit of faith to believe what you think.

I am not ashamed to stand up and say, yes sir, I am a Christian. I was not brainwashed or coaxed. I was saved of my own free will.

I agree that there is no salvation in "organized religion", but the whole thing is all about relationship.

Picture this:
You are chained to someone and forced to be with them even if you did not want to. You had no communication with this person except when you needed something. You were forced to kneel to them, made to repeat things over and over and never heard anything back and they never talked to you. My dear fellows, this is religion.

I have a relationship with my God. I had a relationship with him for many years. No one forces me to pray, I do it when I need to talk to him and guess what...he hears. When I read that big black book, called (gasp!!! should I dare say!!!) the Bible, there is a change in my attitude, the way I think, the way I believe.

We are not puppets being controlled by a cruel God. He has given us free will and a choice to either follow him or reject him. That's your choice. Your own free will. A gift if you will. His intention was not to see any of us suffer or go to hell. Flame me if you want, but that is why he sent His Son....to give us our own free passage way at no cost and no obligation. The only requirement??? Believe. Faith. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except by me" That is the basis of my faith.

I am not preaching to anyone, just explaining why I believe what I do, since that was the topic of this thread. Some of you are so mad at God! When it is the enemy (devil) that comes to kill, steal, and destroy.

If I sound too goodie two shoes, I apologize. I just know where I was and where God brought me too. I am not embarrassed to say that. God has protected me from so many things, and healed me of countless diseases, cancer being one. I just have a hard time denying him.

Isn't it funny though how people can talk about anything and get along, but when it comes to God, there is an automatic war! I have never been a judgmental person, ever!!! Some of you have gone through some rough things that I couldn't possibly imagine. I may have the same attitude if not worse if I were in your shoes. All I can say is, Yes, there is hope. And yes, there is a God.

I have seen Him

posted May 23, 2000 01:22 PM            

You call me presumptuous to think my religion is right. Any religion would assume it is the right one. If I belived in allah I would not belive in God. Religion is a presumption. It is beliving you are right, beliving that that small voice inside telling you you are right is not your imagination. Now for you to say I should not impose on others... If you pushed someone out of the path of a speeding car, would you be imposing? No you would be doing what you thought you should to help. I belive in God, and I belive in Hell, so I am not tring to be mean or judgemental, I just want to help. If you don't want to belive, I leave that to you, but I will not be quite. I want to do what God has asked of me, and part of that is to be a witness. And I am this way in person too, not just behind the safety of a internet board. Thanks.

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"Death will come in a wave of blue fury and that fury will be us!" poppa smurf at yesterdays speach.

posted May 23, 2000 07:02 PM            

"In order to be an atheist, one must be a god...since you'd have to be one (while living) in order to know if one existed."

posted May 24, 2000 01:28 AM            

All people are corrupt and they want everything for their own good. THE ONLY THING I BELIEVE OUT OF THIS IS WHAT JESUS TAUGHT US: LOVE ONE ANOTHER LIKE I HAVE LOVED YOU.