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Karate guy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 250) |
posted May 09, 2000 09:29 AM
  
Judo was around before Karate and the Japanese champ was a Judo master and the guy that eventually beat him was a karate master. The whole thing about stand up fighting is not to get taken down. C'mon, anyone who's been to a reputable studio will see the techniques used to instantly imobilize an attacker. Once you strike the vital points, it don't matter how big he is. You'll never see those types of techniques on UFC, they're banned from use there. I should just make a video and mail it out to people so you can see for yourself. IP: Logged |
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gearseeker Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 76) |
posted May 09, 2000 10:13 AM
I agree to a point. The problem is very few poeple stick to one style. If a ground fighter has learned enough about pressure points and striking its hard to hit him where it counts. Ive studied a few different styles and I dont like to use any one by itself. I generally avoid striking just to prevent injury to myself (dont want sore elbows or knees in the gym). My personal favorite technique is to rush a person and force them to put there guard up. When Im within striking distance, I drop and hit both knees with my shoulders while pulling the persons ankles off the ground. Even if they hit me - its only once and they end up on the ground. How convenient! Work great for big drunk guys. Never see my short ass coming. IP: Logged |
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big_bad_buff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 386) |
posted May 09, 2000 12:15 PM
i'v seen tons of fights, and everyone of them end up on the ground withen seconds, i think if you want to be a good fighter, you better know some wrestling, becuase if a karate or any martial arts guy went up with a wrestler, 90% of the time, the fight is going to be on the ground, unless the martial arts guy is totaly amazing. this is not a slam on martial arts or anything, i'm just stating my view......one of my best friends wrestled all through high school, and some college, and i'v seen him take down a black belt like nothing........once they hit the ground the that black belt didn't mean a thing.... IP: Logged |
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scooby Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted May 09, 2000 01:04 PM
when you get in a street fight... lets face it, all that martial arts stuff you learn pretty much goes out the window, except for the enhanced reflexes (i learned a couple of styles myself). with all that adrenalin running through your body its all instinct, you don't even think, you just react. the person that wins is the person that can take the most abuse and dish it back. well thats my opinion IP: Logged |
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BackDoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 177) |
posted May 09, 2000 01:37 PM
I agree with gearseeker. Back in my younger days I got into my fair share of scrapes, like a lot of other guys. I'm not going to sit here and say I won em all cause I didn't. I got into a few with people better at it than me and vice versa. That's reality. I've been in the martial arts since I was 9, and if there's one thing that both the dojo and the real world taught me, it's that if you fight, you better fight like there's no tomorrow. Do it with all the energy and emotion you can channel into it. None of this UFC "pacing yourself". That works in a controlled environment only. You can't know on the street whether the guy you're grappling with has 5 five buddies who will be coming to his rescue--and your demise. Don't go to the ground if you can avoid it. But if you do, know enough to get it done quickly so you can get the hell out of there as fast as you can. Look at Vitor Belfort. He attacks with a flurry of punches and doesn't stop until he's accomplished his goal. He doesn't go to the ground unless he absolutely has to. To me that reflects street smarts. IP: Logged |
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Motorhed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted May 09, 2000 02:27 PM
Hey Karate guy. Quit whining about UFC. I've watched them all and yet to see a stand up fighter not get taken to the ground.The problem with your art is you believe it is the best. Ever heard of Rickson Gracie? Over 400 NHB fights still undefeated. he fights in Japan. I agree UFC has tooooo many rules, however take yourself to a Gracie Accadamy or a Machado Acc. and learn ( very quickly ) that you WILL get taken to the ground and recieve the ASS BEATIN of your life. Brazillian Jiu Jitsu is a bit different from Jiu Jitsu. BJJ actually teaches you how to counter stand up attacks. Your one track karate mind irratates the shit out of me. Step up to the plate and challange a BJJ fighter. Until then stop you whining! IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 390) |
posted May 09, 2000 03:49 PM
Yeah vitor is a ass beater that is for sure. I have been in alot of fights and lost more than i won cause i was always fighting someone that was older,heavyer, or just a better fighter than my 16 130lb ass. They always ended up on the ground of some hay pasture with either me on top or me on bottom. The problem with the ground fighting styles like the gracies teach is if you try and make someone tap out by bending there arm back or some shit in a street fight you are walking out of there with a bit off ear or nose. Most of the time in street fights your face is so close to the other persons once you end up on the ground to be trying some shit like that in a fight with no rules. I have bitten the other person on the face in every fight I was lossing once it hit the ground. Anything to help me get back up on my feet is just what it takes. When you are 16 fighting a 30 year old drunk cowboy they just dont understand "I dont want to fight anymore." If it hits the ground that is just your ass plain and simple. I would like to see Mike Tyson and anyone of the gracies get it the ring. No rules no nothing. I think we all would know the outcome of that fight. IP: Logged |
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Smooth_Criminal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted May 09, 2000 06:28 PM
THe gracies fukin rule, I train at the Prado in Atlanta. BJJ straight up. I took Taekwondo for a few years, and finally learned it was useless. Its great for cardio and and all that pussy shit. Rickson Gracie is a bad ass, and personally I think hes the greatest fighter of all time. However, these days kickboxing skills as well as BJJ skills are the way to go. Cuz you need some kickboxing if your in a fight with more than 1 guy. BJJ works only if its one on one. but when your at a club and getting attacked by like 3 guys, you better be good with your legs and fists. Has anyone heard of Jukido? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Motorhed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted May 09, 2000 10:30 PM
Hey Moe dank. Rickson Gracie has a standing bet w/ Tyson.$1,000,000 to step in the ring. after many years still no replies from Tyson. IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 390) |
posted May 09, 2000 10:42 PM
tyson makes more than that to get out of bed in the morning. Anyway do i believe that, no.. Just my opinion, but if you think any two gracies could get in the ring with mike tyson and walk out with both ears and their noses trying that bend your leg and arm shit you're nuts. Mike would beat them to death i would bet my life on it. Remember just my opinion. I realize everyone is partial to their form of fighting. IP: Logged |
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Smooth_Criminal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted May 09, 2000 11:00 PM
Moe Dank are u fukin nuts bro? first of all, biting someone on the face or poking their eyes out is for pussies. real men just dont do that in a fight. I dunno what kinda sissy fights youve been in with man, but that kinda shit just doesnt happen. Second of all, Mike Tyson is not even the best boxer out there, Im sure the Gracies would have a tougher time with Lennox Lewis than Mike fukin Tyson. As right now Mike isnt even financially stable, thats why he has to resort to taking roles in cheesy spike-lee directed movies. Thirdly, Any pure boxer such as Tyson would get their ass kicked in a real fight, and since were are talking bout the Gracies here its not even a contest man. Ralph Gracie, the smallest gracie of them all, who is 5 7' 160 could take any boxer on and finish him withen 5 mins. Dude you just dont understand, its not just bout arm bars, and leg locks. Its the whole Gracie attitude, they have never lost a fight. And as for pulling hair and ear biting, Mike would probably do that, but it wouldnt matter to the Gracies, its all about winning and finishing an opponent. You probably saw a few UFC's and you've seen ROyce out there beating opponents with submissions. Its usually not like that at Vale Tudo or other NHB contests. Rickson goes right for the head, he does a take down and starts pounding away, same thing with Renzo. Vitor Belfort would make Tyson his bitch. Submission holds are the last resort. Dude you just dont know!!!!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BackDoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 177) |
posted May 09, 2000 11:01 PM
Mike would do pretty well in your average KFC, er...I mean UFC. Without any rules I think he'd be even better. There's another tough guy who really resembles Iron Mike name Gary Goodrich. Gary is the world arm wrestling champ a couple of years ago and he really pounded a couple of guys. I'd like to see Gary again in the UFC's. He was monstrously strong. It was cool to see someone who was a strength trainer get in there and chuck those guys around. I wish Stephen K. Hayes was younger and would compete in the UFC. I'd like to see him vs. Rickson. I saw Hayes at a seminar when I was a teenager and I can attest that he did some techniques so fast that it was impossible to see him moving. I don't know how in the world anyone could move that fast, but I saw him move across the dojo (20 or 30 feet) from a standing still position in less than a second. He could literally hit the heavy bag 8 times in one second with one hand--and hard enough to bend the bag. He's too old now and he spends all his time nowadays as the Dahli Lama's personal bodyguard. But it would've been cool to see one of the old school guys take on the UFC. Anyways, take care and be well everyone. IP: Logged |
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Capt'n_Crunch Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 286) |
posted May 09, 2000 11:18 PM
......anyone who has seen that old kung fu master that lives in Canada knows who Im talking about....that guy who has mastered the art of iron fist, anyone know who Im talking about? If any of you do then you know that guy could kill tyson, gracie, or anybody else in one punch just cus the blow would shatter their skull..... if I have to pick one Worlds greatest fighter than it has to be him, sorry but I just cant remember his name.....but the guy has mastered all of the animal styles of kung fu not to mention practically all of the death blows...... Id bet on him against anyone......... IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 390) |
posted May 09, 2000 11:20 PM
Well smooth, just from the PURE boxer comment about mike tyson i realize you have no idea what you are talking about. He is a street fighter. 2nd yeah i saw royce get the living shit beat out of him by shammrock, his last fight at ufc cause he doesnt like it to much when a real fighter beats his ass like a little girl. And as far a pussie fights go. You may have been in some boxing matches in elemtery school, but when you are in a street fight you are fighting to win. THAT IS WIN,WIN,WIN. If you lose a street fight you are in deep shit, and calling no fare when the other person is pulling your fucking eyes out of their sockets isnt going to get a judge to rush in and stop it. Call me a pussy one more time and i will fly you out here to florida, bite your fucking nose off, and send you back home to mom. Just because you cant win a street fight doesnt give you the right to talk shit to me bro. Stay in your gym on the mats cause you are going to get your ass beat to death talking like that. IP: Logged |
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glenbenton Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 150) |
posted May 10, 2000 12:15 AM
MIKE TYSON MAY BE JUST A BOXER BUT THE GUY IS ALSO A FRIGGING PHYSCO. IN A NO RULES STREET FIGHT HE WOULD TAKE HOLD OF THESE GRACIE PUSSYS AND RIP EM IN 2. ID LIKE TO SEE THESE LITTLE 140 POUND GRAPPLERS CHOKE OUT MIKE TYSON OR TRY TO PUT HIM IN AN ARM LOCK. THAT SHIT AINT GONNA HAPPEN LOOK AT HOW WELL TANK ABBOT DID IN HIS FIRST FEW MATCHES, AND HES A STREET FIGHTER WITH NO MARTIAL ARTS BACKROUND IP: Logged |
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BackDoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 177) |
posted May 10, 2000 01:09 AM
Capt'n I think I know who you are talking about! His hand is normal looking (unlike other iron palm practitioners) but it is literally as tough as steel. Apparently he has a student who teaches this form of iron palm training in upstate New York. The guy I think we're talking about had a demo video that a buddy of mine has. A buddy of mine in Michigan has a copy of it and I saw it. In the video, he has a student try and hammer a nail into it and he couldn't get the nail to go in...it didn't even break the skin! The guy was really hammering hard too. At one point the student actually misses the nail and hits the hand and it makes this horrible clang noise. He went on to break big rocks, glass bottles, wood, cement, all kinds of things. It was unreal! The video I saw of him he keeps it closed up in a fist and doesn't really move the fingers much. It looked like a normal hand but something about it was creepy. He doesn't wear any gloves or any long sleeve shirts so you know it's a real hand too. He said it takes like 10 years of daily training for hours to get it like that without developing arthritis. Yep, I agree, it would kill anyone who got hit with that thing. And he's really, really fast with it too. I'm glad you brought that up captain, I'd totally forgotten about that guy. The UFC and probably any other tournament would never let him compete, since they wouldn't want any fatalities. IP: Logged |
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Austin316 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 17) |
posted May 10, 2000 01:24 AM
Personally I'd like to see Tyson take on Ken Shamrock (who's beaten the gracies before) I think the fight would'nt go over 2 minutes and tyson would leave on a stretcher IP: Logged |
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Smooth_Criminal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted May 10, 2000 01:52 AM
Moe Dank apparently u never watched the first UFC, ur boy Ken shamrock got worked in his first fight with Royce, it wasnt even a contest. THe second fight little kenny went back to that Lions Den, worked on his grappling skills and then TIED Royce. Royce is probably the weakest gracie of them all, and he beat everyone he faced. If rickson took on shamrock, shammy wouldnt last 2 mins. Dank I said it before, and ill say it again only PUSSIES fight the way u describe. IVe been in plenty of street fights, at bars, clubs, you name it. DIdnt you say your 16? what are you doin in bars anyway? Your teeny bopper ass should be watching TRL or something. In a street fight if you face anyone who knows what their doing, 2 things are gonna happen your gonna get taken down no matter how good u are with ur legs or how many "DEATH" strikes u know. And then ur gonna get pummeled in the face like a basketcase. End of story. Im pretty sure youv ebeen in fights with 30 yr old drunk out of shape wana be cowboys, and you come on here spittin shit liek u know what ur talking bout. Im sure Tyson was has been in a few street fights in his day, but hes got an IQ of a brick, thats why he lost to Holyfield, he just got outsmarted not outpowered. Dude there are so many better guys the Gracies have defeated. Tyson would be another statistic. If you go to www.gracie.com, You would find out that Gracie JJ actually started as a street fighting style, it hasnt changed kid. What you see on Paperview or whatever, is not the whole package. Infact weapons training for me starts in 3 weeks. Mike Tyson is a Boxer, not a fighter. Pretty soon your gonna be telling me Sylvestor Stallone could take the Gracies on too. hahah ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Smooth_Criminal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted May 10, 2000 01:59 AM
BURTON, Tank was a fukin joke in the UFC, he lost more fights than he won. THe only reason they let him in the UFC in the first place was so that beer bellied morons like you can get inspired and order the paperview. ANd he would come back year after year, cuz it was free money, all he had to do was show up throw a few punches and get his ass kicked. Now I think hes in WCW, pulling his same tired act. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 813) |
posted May 10, 2000 02:36 AM
Gracie this...gracie that....man..I thought that fad was over. Ok..now granted that the Gracies are very finely skilled ground fighters..but??!!..where are they now? When BJJ first came onto the scene it was dominating..why? because no one exactly knew the art..or how to defend against it. WEll now...times have changed. And for the sake of saving face Royce puts ups bullshit explanations to avoid most big American NHB tourneys. Motorhead...Rickson Gracie...400-0...thats your ass..I sit on mine bro.. Royce was beat via a clock choke in Bazil, in his supposed comeback warm up match against Wallid Ismail. Hmmph..tough break..and that was his warm up for Mark Kerr...ever seen that man..hes a monster..and a talented one at that...its time to retire Royce.
I spent enough time in the ring and the cage to know. My .02 ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 813) |
posted May 10, 2000 02:38 AM
Oh yeah..one more thing... I would love to see Frank Shamrock against Rickson Gracie..say goodbye to the supposed winning streak...gee ever wondered why he fights in Japan constantly...it aint due to better competition...as Ive never seen him fight the better Pancrase fighters there. later, IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 174) |
posted May 10, 2000 10:29 AM
I have spent my adult life studing war. That right WAR. I give a fuck about a fight. When we go down thats what it will be WAR. I while inflict as much damage possible with the least amount of effort. And I don't give a rats ass how I do it, why - because your blood chocking ass will be dead and how the fuck can you complain, when I have your ass on a pike in my fukkin front yard. Get it! I'll bite, kick, smash your head with a brick. Slam you in a brick wall - what ever. There are no rule to a fight - just winners and losers. When the shit starts up, its who has the bigger guns and who can put in down the quickest. The quick and the dead. I have no inttention on being dead. Thats why the most dangerous people are the one that you have no idea what they are going to do. I am a gracie fan but, being loyal to his style is why Shamrock finally got him. Moe - what ever it takes - your F-in Right. IP: Logged |
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WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 813) |
posted May 10, 2000 11:47 AM
Hey Cleaner.. Cant you just be honest with me and tell me how you really feel??....heh..heh..heh..heh.... BTW..when you figure out flying..make me up an instruction manual on that shit...ok? later, IP: Logged |
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BIG RICK ROCK Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 244) |
posted May 10, 2000 12:57 PM
Hey GEARSEEKER, The technique you have mentioned we called "Sneaky Pitt" it a wrestling move that we use when our oponent is tired or it's an overtime match and you need to score 2 points, you rush them on line, right off the wistle, when you hit it right they just drop and their back hits the floor, and it also works if you use only one leg but you gotta double up on the ankle, I love it!!!! FUCK MIKE TYSON!!!!! WRESTLES HAVE REALY GOOD FUCKING SKILLS!!!! Claw drive: High Finish Low Single (I dare anybody to try and kick me You'll fly thru the air and land on your head): [This message has been edited by BIG RICK ROCK (edited May 10, 2000).] [This message has been edited by BIG RICK ROCK (edited May 10, 2000).] [This message has been edited by BIG RICK ROCK (edited May 10, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 390) |
posted May 10, 2000 01:56 PM
Smooth I am 23 now, but when i started fighting every weekend I was around 14 or 15. So just call it good and say 16. I dont know where your stupid ass lives, but in every state i have lived in street fights arent fair. Most people scared of street fights like you call people that street fight pussies cause you just arent mean enough to do what ever it takes to win. If you get mean confused with pussy that is your problem. Now for the personal attacks, what the fuck is a smooth criminal anyway. why did your stupid ass pick that name. I have run into people like you that say O he isnt fighting fair he shouldnt have done that or this. Did the motherfucker win is my point. You are a obvious fucking loser and i really had to dig deep to get onto a level for you to understand. Just be cause you and your girlfriends the gracies think submission fighting is the best well you have every right to think it. You take that shit to the street and see how well it does. You will be getting your ass beat down by soccer moms in ford expeditions. What do you do for a living if i may ask. IP: Logged |
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BackDoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 177) |
posted May 10, 2000 02:30 PM
C'mon everyone. Let's not start world war 3 over this. It's a good debate as it is without all this bickering. Let's just keep it friendly and agree to disagree. IP: Logged |
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Karate guy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 250) |
posted May 10, 2000 02:43 PM
Motorhed is a quart low. LOL IP: Logged |
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Motorhed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted May 10, 2000 02:47 PM
Damn this is a blast!!!!! Remember "opinions are like assholes!! Nothiing like a good argument to get me JACKED UP to train. :0) Anyone want to discuss Religion or politics??? he he he he IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 390) |
posted May 10, 2000 03:04 PM
yeah i have a whole head full of ideas about religion, where to start, where to start. Now where is my soap box. lol IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 738) |
posted May 10, 2000 03:18 PM
Bros, Here's some feedback from a guy who doesn't really give a shit about the Gracie's, Tyson, Shamrock, UFC or any of that shit: Most fights I have seen end up on the ground. Usually, the participants are not especially skilled or especially sober. Moe is right about the rules in a street fight - you do what you have to do, whether it's eyes, ears, whatever....because it's better the other guy gets all fucked up than I do. I'll punch someone in the nuts to avoid an ass-beating if I think one is coming my way.
If neither person really knows what they are doing, it ends up on the ground, and then strength and adrenaline goes a long way. My thoughts. Matt IP: Logged |
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BIG RICK ROCK Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 244) |
posted May 10, 2000 03:32 PM
"Smooth Criminal" was the name of a famous Michael Jackson song, WOW talk about a tough guy (just kidding bro, no flame intended!) and I have a question, are the pics I posted displaying for anybody else?????? IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 390) |
posted May 10, 2000 03:54 PM
I cant see em. only a box with a red x in it. IP: Logged |
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Smooth_Criminal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted May 10, 2000 04:10 PM
Alright, Moe first of all I wasnt personally attacking you, just the way you fight. I think you would have alot better success if you took some BJJ classes. The bottom line is this bro: IN A STREET FIGHT you can claw squeel, pull hair, spit, all you want, but when you face someone with good grappling skills such as a BJJ practioner or wrestler or any other art that involves alot of grappling your gonna be taking to the ground, get mounted on, and pummeled. Theres only so much you can do with your back on the ground, and unless you know what your doing--such as using the guard technique or a variety of arm bars, your gonna be in that position for a while until your opponent decides to let u out. By the way Moe, Im 21, still in school and work part time as a waiter. Ya Bigrock, Jackson's song- Smooth Criminal- got it on MP3, Anne are u Ok! r u Ok anne!?! haha ------------------ IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 390) |
posted May 10, 2000 04:47 PM
You are right BJJ would help on the ground, but that isnt all there is to a fight. So it is done with. We agree it helps. I took your words as personal attack maybe I shouldnt have, maybe i should have. Either way it really doesnt make a shit what I think when it comes down to it. Glad to hear you are still in school though. I too am still in there, more for the chicks than anything. I am a busted/retired(however you want to put it.) dope grower now trading stocks online. how do you like dealing with the stupid ass public. I am a waiter as well because the court didnt consider me trading stocks a real job. Amazing how much you can have incommon with someone when at first you feel like you cant relate to anything the person is saying. later IP: Logged |
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Smooth_Criminal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted May 10, 2000 05:05 PM
Ya no shit bro, ur a waiter too huh. Mad tips man, I get like 350 a night cuz i work at this high class joint. It pays the bills for now so thats all that counts. But sometimes u come back from class, tired as shit from working out at 7 am, and then ur like fuck now i gotta put on a big fat smiley face and take take orders from rich ass gimps and their skanky girlfriends!! Man I always wanted to get into that stock market thing, but everytime I get on the net meaning to read about it, all I seem to do is search for AS sites instead. U makin any serious cash doing that? IF you got some good sites with lots of info post em up. I used to smoke weed back in highschool when i was a pencil neck, but I quit that shit once I started lifting at 18. Dude this board is addicted as fuck, I should be studying for my last final tommorow. FINALS WEEK IS A BITCH!!!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 174) |
posted May 10, 2000 06:15 PM
Shit just when we were getting it on you guys go and get all soft on me. Kinda makes you wanta cry don't it. Naaawawwa f-that some one goona have to open some woop ass or I'm not going to be happy. Shit all this bitchin got the blood up and some one gonna get, - so which one, com on, you know it gotta happen some ones gotta. Com on who wants a mouthful of cichlet(sp). Don't make me, yaeh I'm talkin to you - you know I am, don't play stupid. Fuk it I'm gonna call mt girl and have all 105lb. of her kick your silly little ass. Yeah that right - kick your butt! Thats what I'm talkin about. This ain't no Chris Rock bullshit either - skinny ass mother. She's mean - you better get your shit together. Now I feel better anybody else wanna go! Yeah just rant you'll feel better. Alot cheaper than a head doc. and you won't end up in jail for assult. IP: Logged |
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Capt'n_Crunch Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 286) |
posted May 10, 2000 07:45 PM
thanks backdoc I think me and you are talking about the same guy, yea he punches like 6inch nails through solid wood with his palm and he practices punching something like a 4inch thick steel block for hours everyday. The dude is ridiculous; I saw a documentary on him on TLC, and he is the baddest dude I have ever seen......the guy has long black hair down to about his traps and is like 60 yrs old or something..... they say he cannot practice punching on wood because he would shatter it without even trying.... his fist looks normal except for alot of calluses....but yea , when you look at his fist its kinda creepy. I dont think he is bad just because of his iron fist but he has mastered all of the animal styles and weapons of kungfu...and I believe he even created his own style just to counter other forms of the arts....... unreal, I just wish I could remember his name hehehe IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 174) |
posted May 10, 2000 08:11 PM
Yeah, I've seen that, little bity fella too. And his hands were real nasty looking. Looked like he had huge calcium deposits over his nuckles. He would do weird off balance shit, like stand on one leg and strike. He was big into Tie Che(SP sorry). Just think he has been pounding his hands his whole life. Thing that freaked me was he was so little and breaking shit, that I would never think some one would or could do. Espically such a little guy, He was breaking stacks of blocks plied so high he had to stand on platforms. Even so he would be fuk when drug to the ground in a front head lock. All thought I would want to take one to the face off the little fella. [This message has been edited by Cleaner (edited May 10, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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BackDoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 177) |
posted May 10, 2000 09:51 PM
I think we're talking about different people now. The guy I saw was probably late 40's. His hand was totally normal looking--no callouses at all, it was just kind of this sick pale grey color. That was the only thing odd about it. He practices a very secret style of iron palm training that doesn't produce the deformities like other iron palm practitioners. But I'll have to give my buddy in Michigan a call and see if he can send me a copy of that tape I saw. I seriously doubt that he'd have a problem with grapplers, since he's basically swinging a steel bar---anything it hit would be shattered. I don't think for a minute he'd have any trouble with the mainstream martial artists, but then again, who knows. I'd still like to see Stephen Hayes in the UFC or Vale Tudo. But obviously that's not going to happen. IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 174) |
posted May 10, 2000 09:58 PM
You guys see what you have done. Mr. Danks sporting a new signature!!!! I about fell out of my chair. My wife in other room ask what was dam funny!! It is sure fire Classic, I can think anything that say's any better. You are the Man. [This message has been edited by Cleaner (edited May 11, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Capt'n_Crunch Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 286) |
posted May 10, 2000 10:03 PM
How would he be dragged to the ground if he killed the guy trying, it doesnt matter if you are the best grappler and wrestler in the world if a guy can kill you in one punch then you are dead before you ever grab him and that guy is way to fast for anyone to take him down that quick..... now if the guy was fat and slow like Tank abbot and had an "iron fist" then I could see the chance of winning but not against a guy who is that quick, fast, and skilled.... not arguing with you Im just trying to allow you to see my point and to understand your point IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 390) |
posted May 10, 2000 10:17 PM
yeah i just thought it was true so here it is! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BackDoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 177) |
posted May 10, 2000 11:46 PM
I agree capt. That guy was absolutely murderous with that hand. Someone would have to rip it off of him to stand much of a chance. Or they'd have to just get lucky...which does happen. Think of it in other terms, how close do you think it would be if one of the fighters was wearing lined gloves or had brass knuckles? Not too close a matchup, since all it would take would be one punch to break whatever bone it hit. The guy that I saw was into all this meditation and peaceful/harmonious existence new age stuff, so he really didn't seem the type that would find any joy in competing. Oh well, it's fun to speculate about. IP: Logged |
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Smooth_Criminal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted May 11, 2000 01:07 AM
U guys ever hear of this shit called Chi? its like this inner force inside of u that when you let it out, it can be used to do alot of shit, such as break concrete, punch through nails etc. THere is this asian dude on the same floor as me in the apartment complex, well He said anyone can do it, it just takes lots and lots of practice. Monks over there in Tibet have mastered it, and can walk in snow for hours half naked and not feel a thing. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Capt'n_Crunch Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 286) |
posted May 11, 2000 01:37 AM
Yea bro, I know what you are talking about, thats some bad shit...... I saw this one old chinese guy on TV stand perfectly erect and had 2 people pushing against him as hard as they could to knock him off balance and the old man didnt move at all, not even a sway..it was like they were trying to push a wall of solid concrete.... IP: Logged |
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tray renfro Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 513) |
posted May 11, 2000 02:07 AM
first off, i don't thinks it's possible to determine a better fighter, ground vs standing. you need to be well knowledged in a couple backgrounds to be a great fighter. second, if mike tyson connected one solid punch on any gracie, you can kiss there ass's goodbye. third, marco ruas is the man. ------------------
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Smooth_Criminal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted May 11, 2000 02:21 AM
Ya crunch thats exactly what im talking bout. Dude where the hell do you go to learn shit like that around here in the states? Man you would of freaked if you saw this asian dude move that cig box by just taking like 5 deep breaths, and moving his hand near the box. THe shit flew off the table. I felt the dudes hand afterwards to see if he had anything on it, but there was nothing except for the fact that the guys hand was really really warm. THe guy tried to explain to me how he did it and all but, he could barley speak any english. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Rich1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 226) |
posted May 11, 2000 02:47 AM
Ancient proverb, never bring a knife or a fist to a gun fight, you'll always loose, period. No flame, but I'm not going to fuck around when the other guy might kill me if I don't kill, or shoot his ass. I live in L.A, street fighting can be lethal so I won't even try it, too bad a CONSEALED permit is sooo hard to get here, I had one in another state at one time. The drive by's would be a thing of the past if law abiding citizens could legally carry...Any idiots listening in California's legislature? Citizen on patrol is a good idea... IP: Logged |
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Pokemon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted May 11, 2000 03:07 AM
GUN CONTROL=USE BOTH HANDS IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 174) |
posted May 11, 2000 08:51 AM
No gun control is hitting what your aiming at! Where you were aimimg! Right shoulder is right should not middle of the chest. IP: Logged |
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BLACK NASTY Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2) |
posted May 11, 2000 01:37 PM
HAS THERE EVER BEEN A CHINESE HEAVY WIEGHT BOXING CHAMP? DAMN, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THERE WAS A WHITE ONE! IP: Logged |
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BackDoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 177) |
posted May 11, 2000 03:25 PM
Oh darn, I was hoping racism was dead, but I guess now I know I'm wrong. IP: Logged |
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tray renfro Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 513) |
posted May 11, 2000 03:47 PM
"gun's don't kill people, people kill people silly, if we wasnt pullin triggers, we'd be fightin ni**a, really." ellay khule ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Capt'n_Crunch Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 286) |
posted May 11, 2000 11:58 PM
Yea Backdoc its sad to see..... IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 174) |
posted May 12, 2000 12:40 PM
There are only two kinds of people in the world. Good people and bad people. I have no time for anything else. IP: Logged |
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TAPOUT Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 3) |
posted May 12, 2000 03:22 PM
Ground fighting rules. Anybody who can do a good single or double leg take down can get you to the ground. The only problem is the ground is not the safest place to be if the guy has a knife or you are out numbered. I think it is best to know both styles, that's why I train in BJJ, wrestling and Kick boxing. later Bros. IP: Logged |
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