posted April 18, 2000 06:18 PM            

From reading all the posts here, I don't know if anyone is interested in what I have to offer, but there must be some people who don't want to use pharmaceuticals to increase their musculature.

There is a very effective Growth Hormone stimulator that is a combination of amino acids and secretagogues that I use in practice called Meditropin. You can only get it through a health care professional such as myself. As a bodybuilder and health professional, I assure you that this is a very effective and a much safer method than using pharmaceuticals. You may e-mail me at [email protected] for additional information.

posted April 18, 2000 06:53 PM            

Anyways, my question is- how effective is this compared to injectable HGH? There are a number of products on the market (OTC) that market themselves as an alternative to HGH injections (I think most of these are homeopathic- which in itself doesn't make a lot of sense). I think that all these are bogus- the mouth sprays, etc.

Just being skeptical that's all...

Also read that this is actually just a "stack" of amino acids. That doesn't sound too promising.. the anti-aging site says: "We feel that all of these products, and especially MediTropin, which is a much stronger product, should be taken only under the guidance and care of an experienced AntiAging physician".

Hmmm.. well I found you can get this online from some nutritionists, don't have to get it from a doc either. Well- I would like to hear some thoughts on this. I found it to be $115 for a 30 day supply (Basically same price as the other knock off HGH sprays and other crap).

posted April 18, 2000 08:31 PM            

Meditropin 1 month is 132.95 + shipping
it's a combination of amino acids

WOW!!! What a revalation.

Sorry but i'm not impressed at all.

Want to do this cheaper??? here's how!

L-Tryptophan, get it, it's easy to find, if you dont' know how just take your time you'll find it cheap. I can easily find 1 kilo for 340$ for my dog. at http://www.biochemicals.com/page4.html

If you find it cheaper let me know,

now take your l-tryptophan and take 5-10 grams ON AN EMPTY STOMACH and that will get your gh levels going NUTS withing an hour, as well it will put you to sleep, so you'll be well rested when you wake up to find your gh levels over 16 times baseline.

Cheaper and better, make sure to take it on an empty stomach so that the large neutral amino tryptophan doens't have to compete with other aminos' for carrier place to get across the blood brain barrier.

I used to have a cheaper place for tryptophan but i can't find it now. Damn!

posted April 18, 2000 08:38 PM            

E2 you think that taking tryptophan would be ok to take with Ghb?

posted April 19, 2000 12:21 AM            

The l-tryp works very well, and yes it's ILLEGAL!! in the states, you can thank your damn FDA for that. You can still get it, that's why it's so expensive now, but you can get it ordered from any big amino manufacturer, most of the largest are in japan, or from the link i stated.

NOW REMEMBER ONE OF TEH BIGGEST THINGS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT ALONE!!! THERE CAN BE NO OTHER LARGE NEUTRAL AMINO'S IN YOUR GUT OR IT WON'T WORK PROPERLY!

posted April 19, 2000 12:58 AM            

I'd like to hear that 'Doc talk some stuff about this. It looks like to be one of those knock off HGH products that you see plastered in muscle magazines. I love it when they market them as a viable alternative to GH injections! They try to make it sound that Doc's are actually prescribing this junk vice the expensive ass GH injections. What a revelation!

The only thing you'll get from this stuff is anorexia of the wallet.

Hmmmmm $132.95- what better ways could I use that money...

* 3 Finaplix-H implants, DMSO and some groceries.
* 9 amps of testosterone enanthate
* 10 amps of deca
* couple of cheap hookers
* over 3 months worth of gym membership (my gym)
* over 20lbs of PentaPro

posted April 19, 2000 10:16 AM            

Sounds to me he is just out for a bit of advertising and is in essence posting a "list me thread"

Late

Lobo

posted April 19, 2000 12:09 PM            

From your responses, it seems that you are all so skeptical and bent on using pharmaceuticals that you have ignored the safety issue. The liver load is real with synthetic steroids and you are taking serious risks with your health. Maybe that's why as Lobo says, "Docs have come and gone on this board". We are obligated to look at the risks and benefits to our patients! If no one on this board is interested in the safety issues, I will not remain where no one wants to listen.

Regarding the skepticism towards Meditropin, I use it myself and have some of my patients using it, and it truly does work very well (and much more safely than phamaceuticals by causing your own GH levels to rise significantly) to increase muscle mass, sleep better, increase libido, increase the rate of wound healing, increase mental clarity, and decrease body fat significantly. It is more than just an amino acid stack as some posts have alluded to. Those who have noted that there are many products on the market that are ineffective GH releasers are correct...there are, but this is not one of them!

I've been bodybuilding since I was 16, (I'm 42 now). I've been quite big (5'7", 205 pounds, 7% body fat) naturally before by learning to train with high intensity training (Is anyone else here old enough to have gone through the Mentzer methods when it first came out in the late 70's?)and still can get huge naturally by using what is now become known as H.I.T.(same thing Mentzer used and said back in the 70's and 80's...and Bob Gajda in the 60's). So I practice what I preach. In my 20's I even used low dosages of seroids for a couple of cycles and know firsthand the gains that can be made with pharmaceuticals. (The Meditropin gives me the same results by the way without my liver enzymes being effected!!) However, even in my 20's when I used steroids twice, I had already had my Bachelors degree in Human Physiology, and knew the health risks involved. Apparently, from reading the posts, many of you do not seem to know or care about the health risks involved with pharmaceuticals. My intention is to infom you of of a safer option, but if no one is interested, I will not belabor the point. The point is not weather you purchase Meditropin from me, the point is to try it (as directed by a health care professional knowledgable about bodybuilding) and see for yourself that what I'm saying is true.

I've also noticed that some of the posts have alluded to using amino acids ONLY to increase GH levels. As a member of the American Academy of Anti Aging Medicine, this is also true and documented in the book "Grow Young with HGH" by Dr. Ronald Klatz. Yes the amino acid staking (ornithine aginine, glutamine and lysine) works very well, but not as well as the Meditropin. By all means, for safety issues, I urge you to use an amino stack instead of "playing" with pharmaceuticals, if cost is a consideration. For anyone who is in their late 30's and 40's whose GH levels are decreasing (as objecively measured by the IGF-1 levels), then you may want to seriously consider the natural alternative of Meditropin. Being in my 40's myself, your long term health tends to become of great interest as you get older!

Responsible, articulate and courteous reply's would be appreciated, however foul language and blasting away under the cloak of anonymity just demonstrates cowardice. I trust that I will not receive reply's to this end. If so, moderators included, I will leave your board never to return knowing that what I'm trying to convey regarding safety is falling on deaf ears.

posted April 20, 2000 04:50 PM            

This will be my final comment on what I've tried to relay to all of you regarding the safety and effectiveness of plant-based and natural source nutracetical GH enhancers as opposed to the dangers of pharmaceuticals for the same purpose. It appears that many on this board are bent on using phamaceuticals for the benefit of short term gain without consideration of the health consequences. That is your choice.

For those who do want a safe and effective option, check on www.nutraceutics.com for information on Meditropin from the source. Click on "Technical Info" and "Product Information". You can review for yourself the published research on this. (WARNING: If anyone is thinking of ordering this from the company and is not a health care professional, forget it because they require written documentation of your license and credentials prior to being able to order anything!) (I do not work for the company so this is not a sole endorsement for this product.) I am a member of the American Academy of Anti Aging Medicine, so I research what is safe and effective for myself and my patients. Also as a bodybuilder for 26 years, I have practical experience in what works and what doesn't.

My point folks is safety and long term health! To learn more factual, scientific information on GH releasers, secreatagogues, GH enhancers and anabolic steroids, you can read "Ten Weeks to a Younger You", and "Grow Young with HGH" both by Ronald Klatz, MD. Another good book written in the 70's or 80's I'd suggest you read is "Death in The Locker Room" by Dr. Bob Goldman. In "Ten Weeks to a Younger You", there is even a listing in the back of the book on the GH releasers that have been evaluated, with a product by product evaluation of the effectiveness and scientific research behind the product. Not all products on the market were evaluated at the time of the printing of the book, so if you don't see a product in question, you can contact the American Academy of Anti Aging Medicine at www.worldhealth.net or contact me with an inquiry and I'll get the information for you.

Any intelligent, articulate and courteous inquiries on anything I've presented here would be welcome, and I may be contacted at [email protected]. (Any foul language, beligerent outbursts or "flaming" as it has been termed here, will be sent to the proper authorities to determine the source of the sender, and dealt with accordingly.) My motive is that I hope that at least one person benefits from what I've presented.

Graciously,

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Douglas Husbands, DC, CCN
Doctor of Chiropractic
Cert. Clinical Nutrition.
Anti Aging Health Care

posted April 20, 2000 05:38 PM            

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