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 Why harsher punishment for criminal acts will (and do not) NOT work... (Page 2)
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Moderator 
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quote: Okay, so what are they classified under (in a national census)? They are a large proportion of non-violent crimes committed and they do not have their own category. Your statement is not backed up logically.     | ||
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Cyborg   
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My statement is backed up completely logically. They are not reporting the drug crimes in those graphs. They are reporting the most common crimes. For example in Kansas, a drug violation is a 6300 offense Violation of drug and narcotic laws. That is its classification and that is how it is reported to the FBI crime statistics. Those charts don't list hate crimes either but they are tracked just as well. The crimes listed are crimes against other people. Violations of drug laws are crimes against the state and therefore, are not neccesarily considered crimes against persons which are those listed. Trust me on this one 2thick, I was a cop for 4 years and know this part of it quite well. There is nothing flawed in my logic. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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No, they are reporting ALL crime. That is the point of the information. Trust me, it is reporting "...offences known to police per 100,000 population." That means ALL offences. I know how to read statistics. I have been doing for years. | ||
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Go to page 206 and see that drug realted charges are included and show you that the percentages I mentioned are right on. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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Gene therapy will be the thing of the future which will end all violent crimes(2nd offense)after someone does a violent crime, his mind will be altered. This will not happen in our life time but no so far down the road, it will be used------ | ||
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Cyborg
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Now I did not say they weren't being reported I said they were not being lumped into property crimes or crimes against persons. The big charts at the beginning show crimes against persons not the state which drug offensese are crimes against the state. I know how to read them thar statistics too, I got my minors in Math/Physics and so on. But I hae written more drug cases than most people will use drugs in a lifetime. Trust me. They are being reported just not in the crimes against persons. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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If drug crimes are included as property crime, (misnomer but you said they were lumped together), what categories would the other 20% be in? Surely white collar type crimes would be property crimes too? I'm just curious about the classification methods. | ||
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Cyborg
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The classification of a crime is first a local thing, but basically you have to look at who or what the crime affects. If it does not affect the individual it is a crime against the state (gov't), if it affects society as a whole such as hate crimes (like KKK or White supremicst or Militia groups when they hold rally's with the criminal intent to do harm to a group of individuals. And then there are the crimes committed against individuals, rape, murder, robbery, larceny, etc Now property crimes are crimes that involve property, ie burglary, larceny of any amount, car theft, vandilism, etc These crimes involve personal and public property White collar crimes are probably classified as crimes against society. I'll dig out my classification sheets and a copy of an offense report from Kansas scan it in and email them to someone to post up for you all. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Sorry if I speak out of turn which is entirely possible since I am guilty of not reading all the responses, BUT, here goes......BULLSHIT! If the punishments were monumental, NOBODY would attempt even if they thought they could get away with it. It just isn't possible because we would have to be a better country to try it and we suck. I only speak of crimes that hurt people. Juice would be legal in my country, you all could live there. Except for checkmate | ||
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Cool Novice 
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2Thick not wanting to set on a full on arguement with you but here is my observation on what you do. You say well "I debate the underdog side of the issue" well cowboy the underdog issue is always the left wing side of the issue. You don't like to be labeled well you are a liberal like it or not a left winger whatever you want to call it but since you don't want to be labeled I will just say you have different views than the rest of us. Now on 2 the topic. People who commit violent crimes rape, murder, and the such should be executed no question about it. I don't care if it was a mistake the person they killed will never get to do anything else because of this one guys so called "mistake". Well here then let me take this 357 and make a mistake in the side of his temple so he won't be out doing it 2 someone else. I agree that drug offenders shouldn't be crowding up the prisons, but I feel if you murder or rape your ass should NEVER ya I said it NEVER be paroled never see the light of day they should kill you but since the american public is made up of 2 many people like 2thick, the country wouldn't stand for it. If you take anothers life it wasn't a mistake you were doing something you wasn't supposed to or that person would still be breathing at the moment. For that you should be killed no questions asked no "well lets appeal this" or "i am not so sure lets ask his 5th inbred cousin if he was with him that night" fuck them kill them bottom line. Do the crime get killed not do the time just kill the bastards. Drizz |
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