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Elite Bodybuilder 
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This is from a study of one of my old FSU Criminology professors. He is pro-gun control, and set out trying to prove his point. His study found the opposite, that gun owners are about 20 times less likely to be the victim of a crime. The study was replicated and was within the margin of error. For some reason, the Clinton administrations Justice Department did not acknowlege this study. Maybe because it proves that their gun policies are wrong. Good read for everyone... http://www.guncite.com/gcwhoGK.html    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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I try not to get involved in these conversations for the simple reason that it gets me too pissed off. I am a huge firearms advocate and endorse our constitutional rights to bear arms. I have been a pistol owner for a long time and so has most of the members of my family. I do not endorse taking the life of anyone, however, if a situation presented itself where my families well being as well as my own were in jeopordy against an armed robber I would utilize my weapon in self defense. I have always been amazed at how the press does so little to tell the public of situations where homeowners have had their lives saved because they were armed. All we hear of is school shootings, murders and accidental deaths due to firearms. Why dont they have a special on dateline about those who have saved others or themselves because of owning a firearm. I can tell you that in the small town where I live in Vermont where you can carry a firearm, our crime rate is next to nothing!!!!. Why would a criminal think of robbing a home where the chances of the owner having a firearm are great. The answer is simple, they dont.  | ||
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Moderator 
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Okay let me throw some knowledge at you guys. Most gun owners live in rural areas (as opposed to urban centers). That definitely skews the results of that study. Now if they did a study of gun owners in urban areas, the results would be much more realistic. Also, I do not see the sample size of his study. For all you know he has come to this conclusion with only 10-20 cases. Do your own research...and stop being sheep (as in believing anything a biased web-site posts). BTW- I love guns and have owned a few. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1292 |
blah, blah, blah, i didnt even read your post 2thick, cause i know its all a bunch of crap anyway.....ranger told me to tell you to post the lazy canadian fucker poem. | ||
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Moderator
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quote: You didn't read my post because it didn't have "kiddy porn" anywhere in the text. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1292 |
2thick= poo-poo-head post the poem! | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1993 |
[email protected] was about to be like WTF but then kept reading your post... I am with Puc IN THAT I honestly believe a criminal is debating whether or not to rob a house in central Texas, or say, some house in a state that has extremely strict gun-control policies (i.e. no concealed, etc.) they WOULD ROB THE "EASIER HOUSE!!" Just like a car with 'The Club!' I might not be a 100% deterrent, but it sure as hell will decrease the odds of that car getting stolen in a parking lot full of--if I may use this term--"un-Clubbed-cars!" Just my 2 cents...at the base of this is my full support of the Constitution individual liberties that are literally disappearing before our eyes...gun-control is NOT the major issue here people...RIGHTS ARE!! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1188 |
2Thick sometimes you act like a real fool. This study is in a major Sociological Journal. This not not a half ass study by the New York Times. Every researcher and profesor in the world publishes in Journals. You get shit from piss ant fly by night internet pages. Get with the program. Yes, you can make a stat say whatever you want it to say. But this is a pro-gun control Democrat with no motive to skew the results. Read the whole study and what other researchers that have tried to debunk it have said. This study was done as clean as it comes. I think you are the sheep for getting your info from inferior places. That would, of course, make me your shepard. PS FSU is the #3 (US News & World Report) Criminology school in the US behind Harvard and Yale. Kleck and Gertz have written dozens of books about gun control. I think they are quite able to speak on this subject. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I don't understand this "robbery" argument. Wouldn't they pick the house with NO ONE HOME?!I bet 99.999% of burglaries are break-ins with no one home. Get good locks and a burglar alarm, if you don't want your stuff stolen!! This "defending my property" gun argument sounds like almost entirely a macho fantasy...all these criminals breaking in while you are home, so thank god you have your gun so you can blow them away before they seal your TV worth $37. This is the ultimate fantasy for many guys, blowing away or scaring off the scum trying to steal your hard-earned property. | ||
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Moderator
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quote: I see you have no formal training in research methods. If you did then you would not be so confused. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1188 |
2Thick- Well I have gotta say I have been involved in numerous research projects in College and I have no clue what your are talking about. Why don't you enlighten us all with your wisdom sweetheart? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 236 |
quote: a. How does a criminal know who is a gun owner beforehand??? This doesn't make any sense. b. A much more creditable study in the New England Journal of Medicine showed that a handgun in the home was 22 times more likely to be used fatally by someone with keys to the house than used against a robber. Let's see..slightly higher risk of stereo getting stolen vs. much much higher risk of me or a loved one getting killed. Hmm that's a tough one. c. What CLinton policy do you speak of?? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1188 |
A. Read the study B. I would like to see that study, what are the cites? NEJM is no more prestigous than any other Journal when it comes to crime. C. I speak of Clintons DOJ anti-gun stance. | ||
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Moderator
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quote: How cute, you have been involved in projects. When you design research and have it reviewed by a board of graduate professors, we can talk. I would try to enlighten you but it would look like I am showing off. You and I both know the score so I will leave it at that. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1188 |
Don't be so gay. Research projects are not brain science. I'm glad you feel that you are above everybody as if you are the only person ever to do research. When you get off of your soapbox maybe you can bless us all and open up a whole new world with an inteligent response. Because right now your just embarrassing yourself. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 7138 |
quote: When you result to emotional responses filled with insults, you show your frustration and lack of rational thought. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1188 |
If your not emotional about your beliefs than perhaps they are not really your best suit. And no, I don't give rational responses to irrational people. That would be, irrational. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Moderator
Posts: 7138 |
Are those hollowpoints? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 988 |
1911, Makes me wanna head out to the target range. Wonder if they have any of those around here... -Warik ------------------ BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 666 |
2Thick - Yeah, they are. Warik - I'm headin' to the range for a couple of hours on Sat. Later, |
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