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TxCollegeguy

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posted March 06, 2001 11:07 AM

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Why would the FBI remove 7 riffles, a computer, a plastic crate with files, and half dozen bags filled with evidence???this was reported on yahoo this morning

Are they really trying to build a profile on this kid who was picked on and harrased?Does it take this sort of collection of evidence to figure out the obvious? Does it really matter, since the kid admitted he did this and did it alone, bottom line is 2 are dead and a some are hurt. He's going to be tried as an adult and will likely get life sentences...

Or do you think they are trying to build a case on the father as some gun nut who was "Reckless" in having guns that were accesible to the prying hands of a 15 year old? To me it seems odd because every major incident like this it seems they "Collect" evidence to try and get into the mind of someone, but in all reality it seems like another documentation of what someone else is doing(father)

I mean the kid used a 22, not the 7 riffles a computer, or a plastic crate filled with files and the "half dozen bags filled with evidence" to committ this act.

I bet when this is all said and done some sort of criminal neglegence will be filed on the father, and more lawsuits then he will ever be able to afford to pay will rain down on him...

I feel bad for those who died or were hurt, not to mention the anguish their faimlies are going through...The boys father and mother have to be devasted as well knowing their child did something like this and will question themselves forever, but what about when someone sues them for their sons actions? If he's tried as an adult how can his parents be sued since the state is treating him as an adult? Does anyone doubt they will be sued?

Just seems a little puzzling to me as if all if this is really neccessary


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Rotten

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posted March 06, 2001 11:10 AM

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They have to put the blame somewhere other then the fact that the world is fucked up and things like this are going to get worse. The government wants us to live in a fairytale world were everything is beautiful except for a few people corrupting the whole world.


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posted March 06, 2001 11:12 AM

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TxCollegeguy

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posted March 06, 2001 11:25 AM

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well their sign up is broken so I can't get in yet...I'll try later today


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kat

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posted March 06, 2001 11:42 AM

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That is a tough one...they're trying him as an adult because there are no laws stating that under 18 if you are tried for murder and should get life/death. so they are forced to try him as an adult.

As for the parents, I think that parents are responsible for a child AND THEIR actions until they are 18. If the child is fucked up, chances are pretty good the parent has some involement in that.

I think parents are far too removed in blame for their children. they brought them into this world, they raised them, they instilled whatever beleifs and morals into them. Why not take responsibility for their screwup?

As an adult, working thtough whatever issues I had with my folks, I took the blame for my part in the story. My folks however, refused to accept any responsibility even when the evidence was undeniable. To me, that is wrong, and though I am at peace with MY past, I make a point of being a mediator between the parents and kids I have as frineds and aquaintances. I place blame where it belongs, and if it happens to be the parent and they don't like it, so beit.

People don't take raising children seriously enough.


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posted March 06, 2001 11:49 AM

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I don't agree it is the parents fault all the time. That kid spends more time at school with the kids picking on him than he does at home with the parents. Some kids just snap. Bottom line is, don't pick on the geeky kids in school.

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Gilbyag

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posted March 06, 2001 11:54 AM

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obviously this kid had problems. there are 100's of thousands of kids in 100's of thousands of schools around the world that are picked on day in day out who have access to some type of weopon or another. you dont see them go'n out and kill'n people. this twig was obviously not strong enough, and it broke. it wouldve broken sooner or later. you cant blame this on anything or anyone else except the kid. the ONLY thing reasone that Ill remotely accept as a "reasone" is that this kid is mentally unstable, which to me is freakn obvious.


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TxCollegeguy

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posted March 06, 2001 11:57 AM

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I can agree that some parents don't take raising children serious enough. Where does someone draw the line at?

I mean if this father was told by his son he would do this, even in a joking way I could understand pointing some blame at him...If the father layed his guns around his home for anyone to grab them, ok I can point blame at him

but what if his parents are simply 2 good people who did the best they could and their child chose to do differently...What if the father taught his son that guns weren't for play and were not to be touched unless given to him by his father...What if this guy was the best father on the plannet and his son just decided that this was what he was going to do?

I mean if parents are irresponsible and don't teach their kids and their is some sort of history of problems with them and this child thats fine and understandable to point the finger at them. Who determines whats responsible for a parent to teach their child?

When I was growing up in my parents house we were always forced to take responsibility for things we did. If we didn't then our father let us know when we screwed up and were caught...I did at times and still do things that would offer some serious problems but in no way should that have affected my parents then, and being an adult I believe that more so now.

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posted March 06, 2001 12:10 PM

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unless the parents raised the kid as a murderer and trained him to kill people when he was older than to blame them is Bullshit...i myself am not a parent, but from my childhood i was brought up very good and until the age of around 15 or 16 is when i started rebelling. from there i paid more attention to TV, music, my damn Nintendo and my friends than i did my parents...they did there job, i think at that point there isnt much more a parent can do but pray that there child doesn't do something like this. Kids today are so oblivius to violence that is cool tho them, look at the video games they are playing!! some of these things have Ratings on them, come on! I think this shit really has an affect on them.


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Gilbyag

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posted March 06, 2001 12:18 PM

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does it have an effect on them... probably. but you still CAN NOT BLAME THIS ON ANYTING OTHER THAN THE KID.
NOT even guns laying around the house. I grew up in a small town, surrounded by guns in my house and my friends houses. We were allowed to grab'm at any time to shoot. Would that have been our parents fault, I dont think so. We were all taught how to shoot at a young age, we were also taught gun safety. Never load a weopon unless you intend to use it, never take if off safety unless you intend to fire it. We were kids, but our heads were on straight. And thats where the damn blame leis, with the owner of that head, whether he has mental problems or not. Hold HIS little ass responsible.


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posted March 06, 2001 12:36 PM

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posted March 06, 2001 12:43 PM

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I used to think it was the kids problem, but the older i get the more I am around parents/kids relationships...where there is a rotten kid theres a rotten parent. But who among us who were rotten like to blame our folks for it? Especially boys and their moms...thats a laugh a minute.

The parents didn't notice their kid was a complete wacko? And then you say they werent a bad parent? What kind of parent doesnt notice their kid is a couple bricks short of a shed?


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Gilbyag

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posted March 06, 2001 01:00 PM

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your right, the branch never falls far from the tree. therefor his ass wasnt bright enough to notice he's kids brain was fried.


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TxCollegeguy

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posted March 06, 2001 01:08 PM

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people can be screwed in the head and not show signs till it is too late

Even if the father wasn't smart enough to see this, what purpose does it really serve to collect 7 riffles, a computer, a set of files and a half dozen or so paper bags???Is such a collection of that size warranted? The kid used a 22 which they have
the kid admitted he acted alone
the weapon and admission is there, why do they need to collect all of that "evidence" does it really matter at this point since unless they claim insanity to take all of it...What does this fathers personal files, and riffles have to do with this kids intent, unless they contained were documents reguarding the childs behavior...Perhaps they think the child had access to the net on that computer so perhaps that was fine for the time being, but what else are they going to document from that computer??


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john937

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posted March 06, 2001 01:10 PM

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I agree you blame the kid for his actions.
But I also blame the father for making guns available (if he did).
If the father had the guns locked up and somehow the kid picked the locks, then I'd let the father off.


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TxCollegeguy

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posted March 06, 2001 01:18 PM

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well thinking about this most of the morning and I can only think of 2 things about this subject

1. there isn't a simple answer to this problem

2. I believe more in the saying

"what is right is not always popular, what is popular is not always right"


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