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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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...SHOULD GET THERE FUCKIN HEAD OUT OF THERE ASS AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE POPULATION AND SOCIETY AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST FOR THERE OWN PERSONAL ENJOYMENT. I.E. OWNING A GUN. ------------------    | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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Are you talking?  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Owning a gun? Please dont tell me you think that gun control (complete) is a good idea. Only commies and fascists think that way. WHat is your point though? Im not really sure as far as a specific example. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 571 |
THERE: in or at that place <stand over there> THEIR: genitive plural demonstrative & personal pronoun <their furniture> <their verses> <their being seen> <their arguments> | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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You don't know how to speak english as latona aptly demonstrated. Please do not talk about something as eloquently written as the constitution. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 667 |
quote: Fuck off, twat! | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2000 |
LOL@LATONA, there's nothing funnier than someone using f*cked up tactics/spelling/grammar, etc., to make an argument... As an English major, I thrive on other's lack of basic language skills, i.e., THERE VS. THEIR!! To the Angel...YOU ARE FOR ALTRUISM, NO?? The so-called "greatest good for the greatest number??" Uuhh...they tried that...in Russia, Germany, Italy, Spain, and Cuba...names like Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, and Franco come to mind... I hope you're just another jealous foreigner, but if you are an American, please check that sh*t at the door or move to Cuba!! ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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people who own small forts in montana are all for complete gun control, if we want to meet angel of death, we have to go to his retreat. hehe. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 999 |
quote: Society is irrelevant. I care about no one but myself. Thanks, ------------------ BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 571 |
quote: May your life be filled with people just like you. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 999 |
quote: The world is filled with people just like me. That is why I am that way. -Warik ------------------ BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 571 |
Already so jaded, Warik? I'm truly sorry you feel that way. Just be careful that on the day when you meet someone who loves you, you won't be so cynical that you can't love her back. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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When I find her, I will certainly love her back. However, since I haven't found her (I've found only people like me), why should I really give a crap? Trust no one... you are your only true best friend. -Warik ------------------ BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!!! | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2000 |
As an Objectivist--one who practices RATIONAL SELFISHNESS--I'm with Warik... I am no good to anyone if I don't put me first... As a boyfriend/future husband/father (future!!), I believe you can totally love someone and still consider yourself your own best friend... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Badkins - I read Ayn Rand, too. Objectivism is certainly a well-organized, coherent, logical system. I respect your opinions, but personal experience has lead me to a simpler and (in my opinion) more beautiful philosphy. To me, the economy of love is fundementally different than an economy of wealth. In love and merit - the more you give away, the more you earn. Please don't misunderstand me. I have read many of your posts and I highly esteem your brand of open-mindness and self-discipline. I just feel that human life can also be immeasurably enriched by acts of charity and kindness. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Yay, Badkins. Another enlightened one. Maybe I should have phrased what I said a bit differently. I didn't mean to say that I didn't care about ANYONE else. What I meant to say was that my own needs and wants take precedence over those of others. "Please sir... don't complain to the manager! I'll get fired!" Me: "I DON'T CARE. I PAY FOR SERVICE. I DON'T GET MY SERVICE, YOU DON'T KEEP YOUR JOB. EZ." I am my own best friend. Warik is the only man who will never betray Warik. Speaking of Ayn Rand, my 12th grade HS English teacher told me that I should read some of her stuff. I'm not a reader... I hate fiction, but according to my HS English teacher, "Ayn Rand's work is so... you!" Where should I start? I picked up The Fountainhead at Barnes & Noble once, but it was huge. I'm one with the opinion that if a book is too big, it's just an indication that the author needed many words to say something that could have been said in fewer. Is this not the case with Ayn Rand's work? Is she actually not one of those authors who waste 20 pages describing the room that was just entered? Oh yeah, Badkins, I love correcting grammar and spelling as well. I often find myself popping into MS Word just to make sure I spelled a word of which I was not sure correctly. Posts would be much more enjoyable if more people practiced this. -Warik ------------------ BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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SORRY TO SEE THAT SOME CAN ONLY READ AND OR ARGUE IN NON-FUCKED UP SPELLING. MAN, AM I EVER AN IDIOT. I SHOULD REALLY JUST SIT BACK AND LISTEN TO FUCKHEAD WANNA BE BODY BUILDER DUECEBAGS WHO THINK THERE IDEAS MEAN ANYTHING.  THIS BOARDS HAS MORE CUNNY THAN A HONG KONG WHORE HOUSE. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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latona...like I said...I, too believe that the "economy of love" (love that phrase, kudos!) is WAY, WAY different in a sense, but you have to have that base, that foundation to build a relationship (any) that will only make it stronger. If you doubt yourself, it's that much easier for others to do... Warik, I'd say 'Anthem' would be a good "taste" of Objectivism...it shouldn't take more than an hour to read...Rand wrote it one night when she hit a mind-block with 'The Fountainhead.' It doesn't get into technical philosophy as I call it, just a quick little "sample!" But...'ATLAS SHRUGGED' is her masterpiece and I would highly recommend you read it BEFORE ANYTHING OTHER THAN 'Anthem' because it is her best...all the others will "fit' better into your head once you get the main ideas of Objectivism... HAPPY READING!! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 313 |
read The Prince | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2000 |
Has anyone noticed that The Angel of Ignorance has used no evidence, proof, or even reasoning to support his original claim...he can only call names and complain about the board...maybe this is why you "can't get a word in..." CrazyThug, who wrote 'The Prince' and what is it "about?" ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
The United States Constitution is the most beautiful, eloquent, and well thought out political document in history...it is also the most flexible and tolerant political scheme mankind has come up with to date...and, although you malign it, I will die to protect your right to criticize it, a right which is specifically granted by the First Amendment...(I'm assuming you are a United States citizen) On the other issue, Warik is correct...we are all essentially self-interested and selfish beings (as recognized by the Constitution)...I'll go even further, and state that, as adults, we are all existentially alone (parent/child relationships excluded)...as much as you love someone, need someone, found your soulmate, etc., you are still alone at the core...if you recognize and accept this, I believe you will be a happier person...this does not mean that you cannot love someone completely, and believe me, I love my wife and child more than words can express, but you must love and trust yourself first... However, even in the face of this self-interest, we all still have a duty to the rest of humanity to be civil...in striving to be charitable, kind, courteous, etc. to those around us, we strengthen our society (which benefits us all as individuals, ie - satisfies our self-interest) and affirms our own inner strength and self-perception sorry for the long-ass post...btw, Badkins, I saw that you changed your mind about law school...good man! Ferrus | ||
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Freak
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latona...my BF has the same attitude as Warik, and I say it is mightly puzzling at times. I say "how can you possibly say you love me when you don't have a nice word to say about the rest of the world?" I just don't get it. Its impossible to only love one thing....thats not love, that is fear. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
Badkins, The Prince is by Niccolo Machiavelli...with due respect to the previous post, The Prince and its philosophy are not particularly relevant in today's political discourse...but you, as a student of English and philosophy, should give it a read for its historical context...basically it's a treatise on statecraft for the 16th century which argues that a leader must rule with an iron fist...no mercy | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 529 |
If you have never loved yourself....You can never know what love is.....and you can never love someone else! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 202 |
Great post, Ferrus! I agree completely. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 571 |
quote: kat, I totally agree. I think that the basis of love is trust, and for some, that means only vulnerability. Sadly, a lot of people are afraid to take the risk, no matter how great the reward. (And the amazing thing is that the loving is even more fulfilling than being loved!) | ||
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Cyborg   
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Can't anyone refute the original topic of this post? ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2271 |
Jesus chesty, youre in a piss poor mood today. Wasn't the constitution CREATED for the BETTERMENT of the community? To protect the rights of those who choose to live in that community? In this case, community being the US of A. True, some of those clauses are outdated, nonsensical (anything that states "god given right" is outdated and nonsensical)and plain old racist. (I do beleive at one point Natives and African -Americans were not considered people..neither were women for that matter) | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2300 |
sometings dont deserve to be refuted | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
chesty, I thought my post did so, if indirectly...if not, I'll try to refute it with a logical argument...: ANYONE WHO USES THE CONSTITUTION TO BACK UP THERE ARGUMENTS... Well, the obvious counter to the above is that the Constitution is the law of the land, as interpreted by the Supreme Court, and does provide for the good of the "population and society as a whole"...people on opposite ends of the political spectrum can at least generally agree that the Constitution provides an effective framework for government... Now, if we accept that the Constitution works in general (that is, not advocating a different form of government), we're left with argument over specific issues...eg - the right to keep and bear arms...
as for the argument that guns should be banned, I disagree...the United States is different from other Western nations (most of which do not allow guns in the general population)... Finally, the express reason for the right to bear arms contained in the Second Amendment is still valid today...the citizenry must be armed to repel invasion from outside...an armed citizenry is a deterrent... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: How so? -Warik ------------------ BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1280 |
Well I tried to post yesterday but my password was screwed up... I'd like to respond to your claim that owning a gun isn't a benefit to everyone in this country.... How would we protect our homes from the Govt if they took away all of our guns? What do we do when all of us "Hunters" use Bows and arrows and they try taking that away.....Revolt using the bows and arrows VS Their guns?Some of us that hunt actually do this to spare costs of buying meat at prices we feel are to high. And since buying Deer meat isn't an option in my local store this is the only way I can find any at this time By some wild chance our Country was invaded how would the citizens fight back? our military isn't large enough to handle an invasion....Or are they?
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 279 |
I think if your army couldn�t stand for the population a couple of rifles wouldn�t save you... But people don�t really own guns for that do they? I think that that argument is a little bit extreme... | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2000 |
Chesty, you runnin' short on time, bro?? I thought you'd be all over this one!! I'm impressed, they are more freedom-loving, proud Americans on this board than I thought... Ferrus...glad to hear someone actually still considers teaching noble...all my friends think I'm nuts!! I know I won't make as much money as a teacher, but I for damn sure I'll be happier!! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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quote: AN ARMED CITIZEN IS ONLY A DETERRENT FROM SOMEONE WHO IS LESS ARMED. ITS HARD TO MAKE GUN CARRYING REDNECKS UNDERSTAND THAT OWNING A GUN IS A PRIVILEDGE NOT A RIGHT. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE STINK THAT IS THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. BELIEVE IN YOUR SILLY LITTLE LIST. SOMEONE HAS TO, I GUESS. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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I knew it...you say "believe in YOUR silly little list..." I had you pegged as another jealous foreigner from the get-go... I'm still waiting for some logical reasoning behind your original post... On a side note, notice how YOUR isn't the same as YOU'RE...next time, I'll explain the more complicated issue of THEIR-THERE-THEY'RE... ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Well if it's silly for "Rednecks" to have guns...I pitty the fool who comes invading where i live...though I might not have an Ak-47 I would be willing to bet given the browning 306 and that nice scope my dad just bought I would have a better chance at 300yds then someone who wouldn't be able to spot me in a tree line...Guerilla tactics can work well for a lone shooter if he knows the lay of the land better then an invading army. Varnsen though the population might not have the training and sophisticated weapons of our Military...Throughout our nations history when put to the test our country has done rather well...I would like to think if we are being overrun that those with weapons would at least go down fighting rather then giving up. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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YOU PEOPLE SUCK! ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2000 |
"YOU PEOPLE SUCK" Now there's an intelligent post. At least you didn't spell anything wrong or make any absurd grammatical errors...maybe my first lesson really worked!!
As you all can see by this thread, there is still a great amount of pride in what it means to be an AMERICAN! Not a black one, not a white one, not an Asian one, blah-blah-blah...BUT AN AMERICAN! And on a side note, a TEXAN (in my--an many fellow board members'--expriences!! So, Angel of Ignoring the Theme of Your Original Post...tell us why we should get OUR heads out of OUR asses when it's obvious who know more about these things... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
<peace> Wow, I'm hoping that since you can't type very well that you can't figure out how to vote either. </peace> | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 566 |
Angel of Death - Name one country in the last 500 years that has been more prosperous based on a sheet of paper with INDIVIDUAL freedoms written out. Here is a wesite up your alley: www.communists.r.us.com ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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Warik>> Because he/they/you are too afraid to love people who have not proven themselves to you for whatever reason. That is selfish and that is not love. Fear of being hurt, of being disappointed is a piss poor reason. Just hide in your house and whatever falls into your lap and kisses your forehead gently will be good enough. funny, my BF doesnt like to leave the house either. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2000 |
LOL@r00+...you took the words out of my mouth... But like I said, the Angel of Lacking Proof is just another jealous foreigner so he won't be voting here anyway... ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1193 |
If your so well read than you have already read Locke, and know that we have a Constituion to protect us from a "Tyranny of the Majority". BTW, the US was founded on individual rights. Not, "What is best for the country as a whole". That sounds like socialism. | ||
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Freak
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If there were individual rights, then how come men didn't get a choice whether or not they went to Veitnam? how come the ones who didnt want to had to come to MY country? doesnt sound very individual to me....sounds like forcing action on the individual for the "betterment" (if you want to call it that) of the whole. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1280 |
Did anyone ever say Locke was talking out his ass?I have briefly read and thought about some of his work, and perhaps now would be a time to add it to my list of readings. I think this guy was talking more to start arguements...Perhaps he wanted to believe different to ignore that those who can- rule, those that can't complain. Perhaps I am wrong, but didn't Locke say "Absolute freedom is that of thought which no law or govt can not touch" if that was him then perhaps that might be something I will agree with him on | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Well Vietnam was a mistake...I bet most Americans believe that now, alot of them must have thought it was a mistake then. Our country made the 1st mistake of not backing the North Vietnam when they 1st asked us for support when fighting to throw out the french. After we said No since france was our friend they got support from China...That is perhaps why they are a communist country. Another argument I have heard was that they the U.S. govt were more willing to work with the Christians of the south(Catholics) since most americans of that time were Christians, and we just happened to back the minorities of that country, but I don't believe that arguement Or perhaps I'm just wrong and have my history lessons messed up Our country isn't perfect, I dont think anyone has claimed it to be, but I think compared to other countries we are alot more fortunate to have some say about what happens in our lives and politics | ||
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Freak
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Vietnam being a mistake or not is not the point. The point is, people were forced to fight against their will. That is not individualism. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1193 |
Kat, stay on the subject. The thread is about the Constitution. Which was founded on individual rights, as was the Bill of Rights. Actually, the founding fathers wanted an Army only for defense, not for operations like Vietnam. They never even thought our government would use our troops that way. How could they? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
kat, All governmental systems impose the duty of national defense on able bodied men during periods of threat (with certain, irregular exceptions, eg - Switzerland - although the Swiss do have mandatory military service, I think)...Canada did, bravely, in WWI and WWII... This is not a question of whether the nation allows or oppresses individualism (which, btw, is not the end-all-be-all purpose of the Constitution or the framework it proposes)...it is a means to an end...self-protection on a national scale... You are right to note that this has nothing to do with discussing the merits of the US involvement in Viet Nam, or any other action | ||
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Freak
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Mr T, I do beleive it DOES stick to the issue at hand. It was stated earlier that the consitiution is for INDIVIDUAL rights, not the betterment of the country. TO force people to war is techinically for the better ment of the country at the devaluation of individual rights. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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kat sometimes and not really the case with vietnam "forcing" people to go to war is the only way to protect those rights they have WWII is a prime example of that | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Kat: Yes, I talked about individual rights pertaining to the Constituion and the construction of our country. As I said, I don't think the founding fathers were thinking about Vietnam when they were framing the Constitution. The Vietnam conflict was actually an act of the people of the US that elected officials that supported it. Not the Constitution! There is no restriction in the Constituion forbidding such an act. So, Congress can do whatever the hell they want. And they did. | ||
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Freak
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you are fitting the evidence to suit the arguement Mr. T...that is fine as my knowledge of the U.S.constitution is somewhat sketchy. We interpret things a little differently here, and perhaps my opinion is colored by that. My own personal convictionis that personal rights must be balanced by the rights of the whole. We have gotten intomore than one scuffle up here regarding freedom of speech. Although we have freedom of speech in our constiution, it is generally accepted that to incite hatred against another group of people is morally wrong. so what comes first? The moral obligation? Or the vagueness of freedom of speech? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1280 |
in America the persons freedom of speech takes precident over the complaints of those who hatred is preached about, with exception to claims that call for physical violence ex: laws making it illegal to scream fire, or talking to threaten the president. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1193 |
Our Constituion is only as good as the people reading it. (US Supreme Court) Personally, I wish the Justices read the Constitution instead of "interpeting" it. Somehow, our republic ended up being a democracy. When asked what kind of government our new country had Ben Franklin said: "A republic, as long as it lasts". Talk about forsight... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
Mr. T, No flame, but you chose a poor example of the US Congress carrying out the will of the people...the VN War actually started as a "police action" under, first, Eisenhower, then Kennedy and Johnson...it was not until 1964 under LBJ's administration that the Congress ratify the US's full scale intervention in Viet Nam, with the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution...until then, it was a "police action" under executive order... kat, | ||
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Freak
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I KNOW that people in the US can say what they want...or at least Ive been told that enough. It seems to me that there, your "feedom of speech" takes precedence over any possible harm it might do to a group of people. Your KKK is a prime example of freedom of speech for individuals being more important than the whole. A group that preaches hatred, has historically committed hate crimes, and yet one of their members almost got elected to the US government. I'm not saying you folks are wrong and we are right, I am saying that you have to weigh the situation....we have hate groups here,yes, but they are closely monitored, there are gov't agents involved and none fo these groups have ever DONE anything or they would be dismantled. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
you're saying that a hate group that does something will be dismantled, or that the members of that group who commit a crime will be prosecuted under law?... in the US, we have hate crime legislation for these crimes...federal legislation, which is by definition, Constitutional...these laws represent the balancing between speech and hate that you are talking about I have not studied the Canadian Constitution, but my guess is it closely mirrors the US Constitution...please correct me if I'm wrong...whatever the case, i have no doubt that the freedom of speech v. freedom from hate issue is handled much the same in both of our countries | ||
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Freak
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Yes, i believe it is similar, though we have different bankruptcy laws, and our version of your 5th amendment is slightly different. Plus its a different attitude; your country takes on a "melting pot" approach...everyone is AMERICAN. here it is considered to be a "mosiac"...Afro-Canadian, Indian-Canadian and such nonsense. There was a big ruckus a while back that a Seikh who joined the Mounties should be given the right to wear his turban thing because it was part of his religion. I completely disagree, but that is neither here nor there. I don't see evidence of such things in your country, which I think we should emulate. If you want to be a Mountie, wear the friggin uniform. Law and country have nothing to do with religion....but that is another rant. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Yes Ferris but my point was that the people elected those presidents who made those decisions. I should have included the executive branch in my rant. As far as I know, Vietnam was not started as a police action. Special Forces had been there since the 50's trying to stir up revolutions. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
well, sort of...US military personnel were in VN in the early 50's as "advisors" to the French government, and later in the mid-50's as "advisors" to Diem, the elected leader of South VN... IMO, contrary to most people, I do not believe the war in Viet Nam was a total mistake...although we "lost" the war, the US and its allies stopped the spread of Communism in Southeast Asia, known as the domino effect | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1193 |
I don't think we won. Vietnam is communist until this day. The domino effect was a political ploy. Just like the red scare that blacklisted so many people in this country. As far as I know, the "advisors" in Vietnam were Green Berets. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2000 |
Damn, this thread has taken about 3 total turns...first guns, then freedom, not Vietnam... As far as the War in Vietnam, I don't think America should have troops anywhere that do not serve our interest...meaning Vietnam, Kososvo, and on and on and on!! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
spoken like a true Libertarian, Badkins | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2000 |
True, true Mr. Ferrus...I think I'm one of about 150 that voted for Harry Browne, LOL! Are you a supporter also?? ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1193 |
HeHe, I would have voted for Browne but I had to make sure I kept Gore out. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
voted Libertarian in the last two elections...Browne 2004 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 123 |
WERE IN ANY OF MY POSTS DID I SAY THAT GUNS SHOULD BE BANNED? WHAT I'M SAYING AND ASKING SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN IS WHAT TYPE OF INTELECT DOES IT TAKE TO WANT TO OWN A GUN? AND OR WHAT ARE YOUR REASONS TO OWN ONE? IF YOU DO, DO U: A: HAVE CHILDREN TO IN THE HOUSE? b: CARRY YOUR GUN ON YOUR PERSON OUTSIDE THE HOUSE? c: DO YOU OWN ONE ILLEGALLY? THANKS FOR ALL THE RESPONSES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC IN THE FIRST PLACE. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 91 |
quote: I totally agree. I really don't know much about this but I have a question. If we went to Vietnam wasn't it actually to protect interests? If all of Vietnam became communist wouldn't we lose land that we could put American businesses? (ie Mcdonalds.) I am totally ignorent of this subject and am asking this out of curosity. I had always just assumed that we fought wars for economic reasons (land), sure the politicians put a spin on it but it always seems to come to that. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2000 |
Angel of Ignorance: If you had not said something asinine like "WHOEVER USES THE CONSTITUTION TO BACK UP T-H-E-R-E ARGUMENTS" as the subject, and instead asked "Why do you own a gun," I think this thread would have taken a different turn...just goes to show your lack or logical/rational reasoning skills once again, though. Some people own guns for protection. Some use them for sport. Some just like to collect them. I think these are all very valid reasons, although I myself DO NOT EVEN OWN A GUN! It's the principle that "I could if I wanted to" that is what I support! When I have children, I will most likely not have a gun in the house, but if I do, I will take all the necessary precautions. I do not look down on people who have guns in the house with children, IF they take those necessary precautions. It is not the parents' fault when a kid gets into the guns and goes and shoots up a school...IF the attempt to keep them away from them was made! If you had known how to start an intelligent discussion, all of those "off-topic" replies would not have appeared... Check the other threads...I am not alone in my opinion! I'd shut up from now on if I were you until you actually research a topic and know what the f*ck you are talking about...in respect for the board! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 300 |
Sorry, I was in the corner playing with my feces... seems more constructive than reading though this bullshit... I must have missed something... oh well. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 123 |
HEY FUCKFACE (BADKINS), YOU HAVE YET TO SAY ANYTHING THAT HASN'T BEEN SAID BEFORE. YOUR OPINIONS ARE WEAK AND FOR THE LAME AND SLOW. COME UP WITH SOME NEW MATERIAL BEFORE YOU THROW STONES WITH THAT LIMP WRIST OF YOURS. ANGEL OF DEATH 2 ------------------ |
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