I feel that the gov't knows what is best for us and should be given full autonomy in deciding so.

I say that we no longer can effectively decide for ourselves due to the enormous complexity of the world in which we live. We need the guidance from our gov't in order to be most productive in society.

I don't know about you, but *I* sure don't know what's best for me. That pesky Bill of Rights just makes it harder and harder for the government to do nice things for us.

Good thing they don't respect the Constitution that much, though. At least we have God to thank for Social Security and Medicare. Who knows what kind of shape we'd be in now if the government actually respected the Constitution.... whew!

-Warik

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I know you are an intelligent person with a sharp mind but I would never expect you to sink to the level of emotional and moral panic (in the case of Big Brother wanting to install a police state) in order to have people agree with your crazy pro-gun stance. I hope people are rational enough to understand that there is absolutely no chance of a police state in the US in the foreseeable future.

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FUCK YOU IF YOU THINK JOHN GOTTI SHOULD BE IN PRISON.

DONT ASK ME TWICE,UNLESS YOU WANT TWO BLACK EYES.

YOU CANNOT IGNORE GENIUS.

IT IS FORTUNATE FOR THOSE IN POWER,THAT MEN DO NOT THINK.-ADOLF HITLER

WHEN I HOLD THE DECK OF CARDS,PEOPLE BACK DOWN.I HAVE NO OPPOSITION.

Seriously, though (even though I WAS being serious above), I've never thought of leaving this country in the future. Unless I am supreme dictator of the world, no country will be ideal for me. The United States is, to the best of my knowledge, the best country for me at this point. Besides, who knows what time will bring? If I did plan on leaving, it wouldn't happen for at least another twenty years.

The only thing that really bothers me is excessive taxation. I don't use drugs (AS or otherwise), I don't drink, smoke, watch TV, etc.. etc.. etc.. The only way the government bothers me is by letting me know that they will take almost 2/5 of my paycheck within a couple of years. I couldn't really care less, though, because 2/5 of my future pay will be more than 5/5 of the average American's pay. Ahhh... Capitalism! =)

-Warik

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I was/am being quasi-facitious. Think about it. Every one is trying to enact some law of some sort to protect me from myself. Pretty soon, there will be nothing for me to be protected from. (no more freedom)

The RIGHT to BEAR ARMS is by definition from the founding fathers of this country a GOD GIVEN RIGHT. Rights cannot be taken away, legislated or otherwise restricted. Sooner or later there will be a revolution and we can either sit idly by or live up to our convicitions whatever they may be and fight for our rights (little pun on besty boyz)

Remember freedom is paid for in blood. It is preserved through vigilence. And when the time comes to be defended and if necessary to die for. When this time comes we will see who is all talk and who walks the walk.

The movie Gladiator showed what kind of courage it would take to stand by your convictions. Maximus truly loved his country and had and would defend it with his life. Yet, when he saw that it was going the wrong way he stood up to be counted (he would not bow to Comicus) and he paid the ultimate price.

Are we here on this board ready to pay the price for our beliefs? I think that probably 75% or more of those here would not be willing to. They have not learned the meaning of freedom and do not know what it is like to live as a slave or to be subjugated.

The belief in freedom has been watered down so much over the last few decades that it has little meaning to most. Even a lot of 40 year olds are more concerned with how to get out of taxes rather than who would be president or what freedom is being trampled on.

So, why not abolish the Constitution. According to some here and most from other countries we do not need it, it is overated and outdated. We need to be inline with the rest of the world in becoming one happy pc family.

Just listen to the retorts of Kat , and others when the issue of gun rights, freedom, patriotism, pride, honor, duty, loyalty are brought up here.

Move to another country? NOT IN A MILLION MOTHER FUCKING YEARS!!!!! Not only was I born and raised here,

I will defend my country against all enemies foreign and domestic and follow the orders of those appointed over me even if it means my death, capture and torture.

That is part of the oath I have sworn more than once to my country. I also live by the code of conduct of a an American military man. How many of you would be willing to do that for your country? Especially since those past have done so for you.

I am willing to pay the price are you?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands one Nation under God, Indivisible with Liberty ans Justice for All. Amen

I SILLY GOOSE.ME THINKS I GO EAT PROTEIN NOW.

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FUCK YOU IF YOU THINK JOHN GOTTI SHOULD BE IN PRISON.

DONT ASK ME TWICE,UNLESS YOU WANT TWO BLACK EYES.

YOU CANNOT IGNORE GENIUS.

IT IS FORTUNATE FOR THOSE IN POWER,THAT MEN DO NOT THINK.-ADOLF HITLER

WHEN I HOLD THE DECK OF CARDS,PEOPLE BACK DOWN.I HAVE NO OPPOSITION.

The world you live in must be wonderful (seriously!).

I am so happy that you are the person you are today (honestly!!). I wish you the best with whatever you do in life!

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I SAY WE DESTROY THE WORLD.IF WE ALL DIED THERE WOULDNT BE ANY MORE PROBLEMS.

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The outburst of laughter immediately caused me to fall out of my chair.

Thanks,

-Warik

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I have yet to hear of another country with as much posibility for all it's people and for a citizen to help make real change too...I haven't tasted what it's like to lay it on the line, but I feel I owe myself and to those before me who layed it on the line whether they wanted to or not. If my grandfather could endure personal torture at the hands of his capitives in a POW camp in WWII or my other grandfather who contributed his best by keeping the engines of an air craft carrier running in the Pacific why shouldn't I be willing to lay it on the line either? Had either lost that struggle I wouldn't be here today, had either not gone through with it, I wouldn't be her either and it wouldn't have been engrained to me that

IMO, a very worthy statement to put your life on the line for.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Because at the time this was written the fuckin church of England said, do it our way or will fry your ass and some of the original settlers of this country were true religous fanatics who tourched people for being witches. Further, if the crown or the East Inida Tea Company didn't like what you said, fuck it. Off with your head!

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Becuase there are alot of assholes out there that would love to see every single person in this country burned at a stake. Why, because we just happen to live here.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

If you don't see why this is necessary, then maybe you should try living in a Communist, facist state for a while.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Because in Merry old Europe, people use to be tried and retried for crimes that the state suspected them of committing. They were also tortured into giving a confession.

2thick it feels GREAT!

There is no god, get over it....there are only men who beleive they are. (take Matt for example..LOL)

No one is picking on you Kat. But that is the beauty of free speech, we, you and I can say what we feel, long or short and not be persecuted for it.

What does the Canadian Constituion (if one) say about your personal rights? What gaurantees that you will not have your person or house searched without a warrant, or have your personal property seized without just cause and compensation. Do you have the right to night incriminate yourself? Or how about the right to representation if arrested, before being questioned. These are not attacks just questions.

Maybe 2thick can answer them?

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Originally posted by kat:
Soemone breaks into my house, I get new stuff. I dont go shooting at them...jeeez.

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Someone breaks into my house, they will be beaten or killed. If not with a gun, then with a knife. If not with a knife, then with a bat. If not with a bat, then with my bare hands.

I feel that as soon as someone infringes on my right to live, he immediately surrenders his.

-Warik

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It has nothing to do with being an American. My life is more important to me than the life of some scumbag stranger who is breaking into my house and possibly threatening my family or myself.

He will suffer for his crimes. His only salvation will be a fast pair of legs and a good pair of lungs.

Then again, I've never had anyone outrun my car before...

-Warik

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What if it's a "they?" Well, I think my chances of survival are better fighting for my life with no regard for my safety than they would be sitting around going: "wahhh no no please don't kill me!"

I don't like real-life violence either, but I don't my safety being in the hands of another human being either.

-Warik

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warik, i am all for self-defense, but killing to protect your life is different from killing to protect your TV?

It just doesn't seem worth it to me.

I wouldn't kill someone to protect my TV (even though I honestly believe that my TV is worth more than the life of anyone who is willing to steal it). The fact is, if someone breaks into my house, I have NO idea what he is there for. Is he there to steal shit, or is he a sick man who is there to draw blood?

A group of men? What am I going to do, say: "hey guys are you packing heat? I need to know if I should go down there armed or if my fists will be enough." If I owned a gun and he/they dropped to the floor and surrendered immediately once I drew it, then I sure as hell wouldn't fire.

I won't kill a man for my TV, but if he tries to hurt my family or my doggy, he's a corpse - be it with a gun that I don't own or with my bare hands.

-Warik

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"From my cold dead hands"

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I feel that as soon as someone infringes on my right to live, he immediately surrenders his.

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I agree 100%.