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BigJay81

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posted March 02, 2001 02:33 AM

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fuck it all black, white, brown, yellow, butt pirate, or what ever,

If A person treats me with respect they will get it back,

If they act like an asshole guess what they will be treated like an asshole. And will be handled.

As for scholarships that is the only subject that I don't agree with, I don't care who you are or what school you have gone to.

You can't argue this.

[B]THEIR IS ALOT OF BULLSHIT GOING ON,
WHY ISN'T THEIR A SCHOLARSHIP TITLED "WHITE HINKY IN NEED" ????????????
ANWSER THIS!!!!
BUT THEIR ARE THOUSANDS OF "BLACK PREGNANT MOTHERS"

WHY IS THIS ALLWAYS WONDERED.

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RRECEIVER

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posted March 02, 2001 03:31 AM

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ive never had a problem with racism when i lived on the west coast. im from california, and played bball and football in high school. most of the people i hung out with were black. for the most part they were cool as shit to hang out with. however, when i moved to the "dirty south," it was like i was in a whole different racial climate. most black people around here act like the world owes them something for the pain of their ancestors. also they think that they dont have to obey the rules that other people obey just because they are black. shit like that really pisses me off. the worst part is that they usually get away with it because of their skin color. if that isnt racist i dont know what is. i got no beef with any race, but i do hate the "dirty south nigga" mentality. you know what? the white people here blow too. im sorry but the sterotype that white people from the south arent very intelligent is pretty well grounded. actually i cant stand the south period. it fucking sucks raw assholes. wish i was back in cali. BTW Florida doesnt count as the south so no dis to any floridians out there.


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DocJ

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posted March 02, 2001 04:07 AM

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2Thick you crack me up...

Which of the following statements do you agree with?

1. Poverty leads to crime.
2. Crime leads to poverty.

I'm leaning towards #2.


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ion

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posted March 02, 2001 04:26 AM

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I've never seen the number of replies grow so
rapidly, as they did on this thread.


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Steelplate

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I think I have a unique prespective on this as my 2 best friends ( more like family ) are black.. They moved here in the 4th grade from Liberia to escape a coup, and we have been best friends since the day they came to school.. They were raised under a much different value system than you find in the states.. Since their government was overthrown, they didnt have any money, and lived in low income housing.. Their mom worked 3 jobs, and they had paper routes.. They had to much work ethic, and values to go on the "system".. They went to college on money they saved, and worked while in school.. They both graduated in the top 5% of thier class, and are the hardest working men you could ever meet.. We talk frequently about the racial situation in America.. They get a good laugh about American blacks talking about Africa, as they really know nothing about it.. For the most part, they have a strong disliking for American blacks.. They think they are disrespectful.. For example, we went to see the movie " Saving Private Ryan ".. During the first 15 min or so of the movie, its very intense and dramatic and sad.. There were some thug gangster types a few rows behind us laughing and making jokes.. One of my friends gets up, walks back to them, leans over and says to them " why is everywhere I go you niggers are giving me a bad name".. They then got up and left.. I think also its important to remember that there are rejects in every race.. We have white trash, niggers, spicks, etc.. In my opinion, you can lump all these people in together as they are all scum... Another story is once when we were in high school we went to a rap concet in a city 2 hours away.. There were only 3 other white guys there besides me.. My friends from Africa were more scared than me.. I remember looking over and seeing one of them putting his wallet in his front packet, and taking his watch off.. I , or anyone else could go on and on, as this is such an intense and emotional topic.. To sum it up on my part though, I dont agree with affrimitave action, as I think a persons own merits should make or break a job.. I think there is a case of reverse racism in this country.. Blacks, and minorities are being catered to on unprecidented levels.. Being a young white male, you are pretty much the devil.. I think where you are raised contributes directly to wether you will end up a criminal or not.. Finally, this debate is pretty much total crap as nothing will change.. Like I said earlier, it is far to intense.. My grandmother always told me never to argue over religon or politics.. These days, I think we need to add race to that.. As soon as it is brought up, peoples ears shut tight, and their mouths open wide.. I hope that no one has taken any deep offense on this board, and that we can all continue to be friends, and help each other out..

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Shawn

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posted March 02, 2001 06:20 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by The Canadian Oak:
the gang situation is getting bad even in the town i live in of about 88 thousand,in every place anymore there are signs banning bandanas because of the gang colors,the worst up here are the oriental blood brothers and now the crips and bloods are up here ,me and my buddies always go play pool and our girlfriends come and they always get whistled at and one guy followed my buddies girlfriend to the bath room stupid asshole


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Myo-genetic

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posted March 02, 2001 07:50 AM

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Steelplate, that was the best reply to this thread so far. I too have met Africans before and they had the same contempt for African-Americans that you described. The things that they would say would make you think that a Klan member was mild. Apparently most Africans feel that way, especially the ones who have immigrated to the United States. This African man I met in college came over when he was 16. He said that he avoided African-American teens like the plague back then because all they ever tried to do was pull him down. His most memorable quote, "How will they ever stop acting like the way that they do? If you try to make something out of yourself you are labeled a sell-out or an Uncle Tom. To be a drug dealer gets more respect than someone who completed college. For every African-American who has a positive attitude, there is 3 who are jealous that try to keep him down." Very interesting indeed.


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DocJ

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posted March 02, 2001 08:29 AM

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Good post steelplate...your examples prove my point: crime leads to poverty, not vice versa.

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TxCollegeguy

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posted March 02, 2001 10:46 AM

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Steelplate sounds like your friends didn't buy into all the shit and is the type of men most would or should strive to be like


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ryker77

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posted March 02, 2001 11:45 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Natymike:
Big Wigs, don't make me bust out my prison population statistics--

% of blacks in prison --(3,892 per 100,000)
% of white in prison ---(418 per 100,000)

is that good enough for you??


Just the facts from www.naawp.com

Blacks murder more than 1,600 whites each year.
Blacks murder whites at 18 times the rate whites murder blacks.
Blacks murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted about one million whites in 1992.
In the last 30 years, blacks committed 170 million violent and non-violent crimes against whites.
Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than whites under 18.
About 90% of the victims of interracial crimes are white.
Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crime than whites.
Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than white neighborhoods.
Of the 27 million nonviolent robberies in 1992, 31% (8.4 million) were committed by blacks against whites. Less than 2% were committed by whites against blacks.
Of the 6.6 million violent crimes, 20% (1.3 million) were interracial.
Of the the 1.3 million interracial violent crimes, 90% (1.17 million) are black against white.
In the past 20 years, violent crime increased four times faster than the population.
In the last 30 years (1964-94), more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders compared to 38,000 killed in Korea and 58,000 in Vietnam.
Sheehan commented that the contents of his article could not possibly be published or discussed in the U.S. mainstream media.
In the last 50 years, the white part of the American population has declined from 90% to 72%. The U.S. now has about 33 million blacks and 25 million Hispanics (legal and illegal). By the year 2050, American whites will be a minority, just 49%. By 2100, whites will be 25% of the population. What will life for whites be like in the future?

The facts from a 1995 FBI report. www.fbi.gov


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Wfabrizio

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posted March 02, 2001 12:27 PM

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I couldn't find that report on the FBI website anywhere. That must mean that you got it from the naawp website.

Where are those facts from? Find another source that is reputable. That is complete and utter propaganda. Using fear to recruit members is complete bullshit.

That would be similiar to someone posting a report from the nation of islam.

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Wfabrizio

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posted March 02, 2001 12:33 PM

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Just to even the score.....


WEB POSTED11-21-2000

Shoot To Kill:
The Militarization of the U.S. Police
by Charles Simmons
-Guest Columnist-

The fatal shooting by Detroit Police of a deaf man holding a rake was followed several days later by the murder of a factory worker who was trying to kill a dog that had been terrorizing the neighborhood for two years.

These recent killings are the culmination of a series of brutal beatings and murders of residents during the administration of Mayor Dennis Archer, and Detroit residents are demanding the resignation of the Mayor and Police Chief Benny Napoleon for continuing to support a "shoot-to-kill" policy. Detroit police killings have won the city the distinction of the highest rate of murders by a police department in the United States.

The policy of "shoot-to-kill" is also the policy of the U.S. Marines, CIA and Mafia hit men, and is fast becoming the de facto policy of civilian police forces throughout the nation. The armaments, supplies, computerized and military vehicles, combat and intelligence training, and values of U.S. police forces are similar to that of military forces in many nations which serve exclusively to suppress their local populations. In Georgia, at the School of the Americas, the United States trains military leaders from Latin America in torture tactics and death squad operations to oppress and rob the little people of a continent. How many of those professors of death are training the Detroit Police? A friend from Spain recently remarked that the conduct of American police forces reminds her of the treatment of civilians by the police and military during the Nazi regime in Spain under General Franco. In addition, some big corporations are making tremendous profits from this massive domestic weaponry.

The U.S. armaments industry, one of the leading sectors of the global economy and the major export of the United States, makes billions of dollars annually from domestic and international sales of weapons and support systems. The increasing globalization of the economy is rapidly intensifying the gap between big wealth and workers. With this process everywhere there are the usual suspects: downsizing, privatization, outsourcing, union-busting, a growing disrespect for people of color, youth, and workers, and everywhere there is the expansion of the police and military forces to maintain the old order of exploitation surrounded by a sea of riches.

In Michigan, this police "shoot-to-kill" policy goes hand-in-hand with the "shoot-to-kill" policy of Governor Engler�s cuts in domestic services and fundamental democratic ideals. The massive cuts in services for health care, the closing of mental health institutions, the elimination of home rule, the opposition to affirmative action, the take over of the Detroit judiciary�all reflect a "shoot-to-kill" domestic policy. The opposition to urban and rural environmental
policies to promote clean air and water, and legislation against living wages, reflect the "shoot-to-kill" mentality and a race to the bottom in providing fundamental needs in a society in which the people seek a true democracy rather than nice speeches about democracy.

The globalization of the economy by the giant corporations is a world wide "shoot-to-kill" policy that wreaks havoc in American urban neighborhoods by grabbing the land, health and safety in the inner cities from Detroit�s Brush Park to Los Angeles� South Central. The "shoot-to-kill" policy steals the wealth of diamond mine workers and their families in South Africa. In Nigeria, residents who live near the oil deposits suffer from chronic health problems and police
brutality caused by environmental degradation imposed by foreign corporations headquartered in New York, London and Paris. Smiling Bill Clinton�s remedy is to send Marines to train the Nigerian soldiers, already experts in brutality against their own people. Farmers and workers in Colombia, South America, face death squads armed with U.S. weapons financed by American tax dollars which Clinton claims are being sent to stop CIA drug trafficking which continues to expand in New York and Little Rock.

The "shoot-to-kill" policy is responsible for the fact that mothers, teenage girls and war refugees in Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe, the former Soviet Union, and female immigrants across the globe are being brutalized and sold by the tens of thousands into slavery as prostitutes throughout the world. And in the industrialized nations, and in states such as Michigan, women are increasingly the victims of impoverishment, and are filling the prisons as never before.

But this is not simply the time for complaints; this is a call for peoples� action and empowerment. This is not a call to hear the usual speeches of eloquent politicians, but a call to form a grassroots movement to make fundamental changes in the system right now at the local and national level. In the process of building such a movement, we must reach across borders and boundaries to join hands with others who seek social and political and environmental justice.

As we demand the resignation of the mayor and police chief, we must also demand a democratic method of selecting officials to oversee the police by the working people and in the community and not by big corporations. We must demand that police at every rank will be personally liable for their corruption, abuse and murder. We must demand that the training, selection, and discipline of police be supervised by elected community representatives at the top level who are not allowed to take money or benefits from big corporations. We must demand that the profits be taken out of the prison industry and that the administration of prisons and other penal institutions be turned over to elected officials whose objective is to rehabilitate the inmates so that they be returned to the society prepared to make a positive contribution.

We have to call for a living wage for all those employed and a guaranteed wage for all residents. We have to demand the restoration of social and health services to all people and a new and positive environmental policy that is compatible with good public health.
In addition, we have to demand socially relevant public education at every grade level that incorporates these issues into the curriculum so those students will feel connected to their community.

This approach to education will help the youth to feel empowered to participate in the positive life of the community. This approach will compel the youth to use their energy in creative ways to begin to make changes that will contribute to a better home and
family, a better neighborhood and a true democratic nation.

(Charles Simmons teaches journalism and media law at Eastern Michigan University and is co-chair of the Committee for the Political Resurrection of Detroit.)

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MR.?

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posted March 02, 2001 12:58 PM

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ryker77,

I thought you would never post those statistics again. Not only do they come from a highly uncredible website. I visited the website to see if your information was credible. The website is biased and racialy motivated and further more racist. Next time you post statistics please post them from a more credible source such as DOJ,DOC and other federal agencies. The stats are incorrect. I know they supposedly came from www.FBI.gov. but they are not directly quoted nor cited properly which does discredit those stats.

Try www.albany.edu. they have links to a Criminal Justice Sourcebook which is directly cited from all major angencies. TIf you saw the statistics provided from it, you will find out that you are mislead and misinformed. No flame just saying illustrating the need to provide credible information to support your claim.


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Engine9

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posted March 02, 2001 01:15 PM

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quote:
Which of the following statements do you agree with?

1. Poverty leads to crime.
2. Crime leads to poverty.


I know you didn't ask my opinion but what the hell. I feel that the two probably have a
reciprocal relationship. If an area is lacking available jobs people well turn to illegal means to earn money, mainly drug dealing. This in turn will lead to higher crime rates in the area. Legit people will start to move out and so will some business causing even less jobs and a deterioration of the neighborhood.(ie, abandoned buildings). Now you are left with the people who are to poor to move out who also may have lost their jobs. Now there are even less jobs with will in turn lead to more illicit behavior. There are of course many other factors, a post earlier mentioned male role models which I also feel is very important. I don't know If I typed this out clearly because I am in a hurry but I think you can get the point of it.


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thesuperstar

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posted March 02, 2001 01:26 PM

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cant we all just get along?

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2Thick

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posted March 02, 2001 09:12 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by DocJ:
Which of the following statements do you agree with?

1. Poverty leads to crime.
2. Crime leads to poverty.


I would say that there are too many factors involved in that complicated equation to place blame on one or the other.

...but if I had to choose one then I would be more in favor of the first one (as long as the person accepts society's ends without accepting society's legitimate means).


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2Thick

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posted March 02, 2001 09:22 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by ryker77:
Just the facts from www.naawp.com

Blacks murder more than 1,600 whites each year.
Blacks murder whites at 18 times the rate whites murder blacks.
Blacks murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted about one million whites in 1992.
In the last 30 years, blacks committed 170 million violent and non-violent crimes against whites.
Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than whites under 18.
About 90% of the victims of interracial crimes are white.
Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crime than whites.
Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than white neighborhoods.
Of the 27 million nonviolent robberies in 1992, 31% (8.4 million) were committed by blacks against whites. Less than 2% were committed by whites against blacks.
Of the 6.6 million violent crimes, 20% (1.3 million) were interracial.
Of the the 1.3 million interracial violent crimes, 90% (1.17 million) are black against white.
In the past 20 years, violent crime increased four times faster than the population.
In the last 30 years (1964-94), more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders compared to 38,000 killed in Korea and 58,000 in Vietnam.
Sheehan commented that the contents of his article could not possibly be published or discussed in the U.S. mainstream media.
In the last 50 years, the white part of the American population has declined from 90% to 72%. The U.S. now has about 33 million blacks and 25 million Hispanics (legal and illegal). By the year 2050, American whites will be a minority, just 49%. By 2100, whites will be 25% of the population. What will life for whites be like in the future?

The facts from a 1995 FBI report. www.fbi.gov



Stats are unreliable at best so they mean nothing to an educated person.

Finally, most violent crimes (especially MURDERS) are committed by people that know the victim! Once again, the media is a lying whore!

So, all you worry-warts need to relax on the "scary black criminal" tip.


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RADAR

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posted March 02, 2001 10:33 PM

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EVERYONE!!!! its only a matter of time/the croud has control(there is strength in numbers) Gawd! I love Savannah's St Pattys..but just like Marti Gras its gonna happen like a time bomb " ticking" then it will be Marti Gras all over again- No More St Patrick.

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kartchick83

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posted March 02, 2001 10:40 PM

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God this is a fucking long ass thread, what is the record?

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rimmer

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posted March 03, 2001 12:32 AM

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How the crime would cause poverty... and not vice versa?

The problem is caused by these reasons:

Blacks' income is poorer that whites' (caused by poor social foundations) = crime

Blacks appreciativeness towards thug culture & innate cultural arrogance combined with black favoring media & political programs = aggressive behavior towards easily fooled whites


LOL just typing some early morning bullshit...


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DocJ

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posted March 03, 2001 12:20 PM

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In the past, an individual committed a crime because he/she needed something for survival (i.e. food). This is just not the case anymore (especially in the USA) so why do people do it? A junkie robs someone to get enough to pay for their next fix but what was their perceived "need?" To consume an ILLEGAL substance...this is already a crime.

I realize this is a generalization but I'm just trying to get everyone to think a little bit.

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