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 2Thick Who Are You Trying To Fool?????
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Olympian 
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I read your leg routine in the post on "How you squat" You stated you did 5 sets of squats, deads and some calf work. Are you serious? Your quads make gains off of just 5 sets? Are we talking quality gains or just shapeless bulk, or are you just kidding around again? I usually do around 12 sets total, usually in the 5-4-3 or 5-5-2 format with the first being my mass movement, and the last one being my high rep burn set. Now if you are saying you can get by and gain off 5 sets, maybe I should try it.     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 946 |
Shapeless bulk?? Muscle is Muscle diet and cardio is what makes your muscles visible. ------------------ "I have the gift of uncontrollable rage" Roy Fury | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 299 |
I do 6 sets and my legs ain't skinny ------------------ :::bitch betta have mah money::: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 6944 |
My legs are actually too big. I try to take up the intensity and reduce the work-out. It works just fine for me. Although you must remember that my first 5 years of lifting were powerlifting and Olympic style lifting so I have a good base and do not need to grow dramatically. In fact, I am trying to get my upper body biggr so it is in proportion. In lifting, less is sometimes more. I can do 5 sets of 5 in squats (that's it) and get sore the next couple days. But I can kill myself with leg ext, leg curls, hack squat, etc and not even be sore. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 757 |
steelsoldier -- even without fat, a muscle has to be shaped with high reps and concentrated contractions. separation and striations don't come from going ultra-heavy all the time. they come from shaping a muscle once it already has size. | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1614 |
DecibalI cant agree with that. Muscle is a muscle. You cant shape it. Squating is the main function of the thighs. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 882 |
My quads grow on 3 sets. My hamstrings grow on 3 sets. My tris grow on 3 sets. My back grows on 3 sets. My chest grows on 3 sets. Etc... etc... Quality - not quantity. -Warik ------------------ BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 410 |
Steelheart is right. Striations have nothing to do with "shaping" the muscle. I promise, if we cut off all your skin and looked at your muscle tissue, we would see striations. Muscle is muscle, and you're either getting more or less of it. "Shape" comes from genetics and low bodyfat. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 757 |
if you weren't able to shape a muscle, then why bodybuild? it's not about being big for the sake of being big. a muscle is not just a muscle -- it's made up of slow- and fast-twitch muscle fibers. different types of exercises stimulate different types of fibers. for mass, you need low reps and heavy weights -- no doubt about it. but for shaping you need higher reps. if it was all about lifting heavy all the time, then powerlifters would look like bodybuilders, and for the most part, they don't. quads in particular need to be hit with high reps to bring out the vascularity, separations and striations. look at shawn ray's quads -- those suckers are that cut from hundred-rep squats and leg extensions. the mass, well, we know where the mass comes from -- heavy ass squats. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 553 |
2Thick says he does 5 sets of squats and 4 sets of deads and then calf work....why can't he make gains off of that? Jesus, if ya do heavy squats and deads, you should be nearly baked after that... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 757 |
no shit. heavy squats and heavy deads in the same workout should make you want to puke -- given that you really hit it hard. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 882 |
quote: Powerlifters don't look like bodybuilders because powerlifters are concerned more with lifting heavy weights in competition than they are dieting down to dangerously low bodyfat levels for one night of posing. I'm sure that if a world class heavyweight powerlifter were to decide to diet down to 5 or 6% bf and didn't care for all of the strength loss, he wouldn't look too damn bad when he was done. (He wouldn't be on his way to the Olympia, but I'm sure he would look great.)
quote: My quads disagree.
quote: And what is Shawn Ray's bodyfat percentage in the pictures that you saw these "suckers?" Were you looking at these "suckers" as they NORMALLY look or how they look after a set of hundred rep squats and hundred rep leg extensions? Don't believe everything you read. -Warik ------------------ BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 115 |
A muscle cannot change its shape through its basic architecture. It can only increase or decrease in size. Higher reps cause micro tears and give a pump which feeds nutrients into the muscles. Lower reps stimulate the nervous system to force it to adapt to heavy loads. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 452 |
I do pretty much the same routine as 2thick and my legs are my best part (too bad everything else sucks). We are all different, some things work for some, the same may fail others. 4-5 sets works for me. Beware of overtraining! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 517 |
No way, no way I could get through 12 sets of legs. I do 3-5 sets MAX and I have trouble walking for days after. I believe a set not taken to absolute failure (excluding warming sets) is a basically a waste of time. But whatever floats your boat, for me 12 sets would definately be counter productive. ------------------ | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1614 |
Ever see a middleweight powerlifter? Nuff Said! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 188 |
Decibal -- high reps is not what cuts the muscle up nor does it bring out striations. It is all about diet and cardio -- not how you lift weights. Burning more calories than you consume will lead to a loss of body fat. In turn, the muscle takes on a leaner, more cut appearance. I have competed in a number of bodybuilding competitions -- high reps in conjunction with dieting did only one thing -- burned the muscle up. Heavy training, diet and cardio not only helped me maintain that hard earned mass, but I was still as shredded, if not more so, as I was when performing high reps. High reps is nothing more than a training technique used to promote muscle growth -- the only advantage to high reps is it tends to burn more calories. ------------------ No matter how hard you work, there is always someone working harder. |
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