I have seen this as well but could never put it into words.

It's like going to the grocery store on Sunday. Everyone is wearing their Bronco jerseys because the TV tells them too. They buy the food the TV tells them too and talk about Survivor or some other garbage.

I still can't put what I want to say into words, but this country is definitely brainwashed to the ninety-ninth degree.

I remember sitting in class, where this guy and girl were surfing the internet together, and came across an add for mexican steroids.
Immediately one said,
"Eeew, steroids are gross."
the other, "Steroids are bad, they make fake muscle."
"Why would you use steroids. They are stupid."
"Steroids are sick."

I had the unshakeable feeling watching this that I was watching two zombies reading a script.

Now I have always been into conspiracy theory, and I recently did a report for school about 'Mind Control.' This subject is too broad for this post which is already getting long, but the technology for mass population control exists.

The 'new world order' is more real than it seems.

It is all connected:

Fast food=fat. Fat=weak mind
weak mind+TV= weaker mind.
Weaker mind+propaganda= a puppet population.

This country is corrupt and you are too. Keep up the good fight, even though your gonna lose.

America is great only if your in the upper tax brackets.

This country is corrupt and you are too. Keep up the good fight, even though your gonna lose.

America is great only if your in the upper tax brackets.

Figures.

You need to watch more tv and listen to more music.

Get a grip: 99% of THE ENTIRE WORLD are sheep:
If you doubt it, think of these:

1) jonestown massacure
2) the entire Christian religion(especially those fools that pay tithes)
3) the entire Moslem religion
4) the entire Jewish religion
5) everyone who lived in Germany during WW2
6) the military (worldwide...kamakazies had lots of self realization LOL)

That's probably the dumbest post you have ever put on here. I'm not exaggerating to make a point either. That shows a woeful ignorance of many institutions of today, as well as history.

It is obvious you don't know that much about varying religions. For example, Judaism preaches studying, education, etc. It is generally the most educated who are the last to be sheep.

Additionally, Jews do not believe in life after death. Therefore, they don't accept things if they are unpleasant. Christians tend to look at the afterlife as the "Great Equalizer" - so they tolerate more misery as a group. Jews don't.

Throughout history they have been persecuted, yet they have survived 5700 years, longer than any civilization. They are among the last people I would call sheep. I'm not Jewish either - I just see this in them.

Most of the Germans in world war 2 were against the Nazi regime. How do I know? Because my family was there. 5 of my grandmother's brothers were killed during the war by allied bombing campaigns. Her father did everything he could to keep her out of the Hitler youth and so much other shit. Only her and her sister survived the war. None of her male relatives did.

Many families did the same thing. But when a group of soldiers shows up at your house with guns and demands your children join them, being self-willed isn't so easy.

I could continue, but why? Havoc made some valid points....advancing technology has enabled institutions to monitor human behavior, etc...but the SINGLE BIGGEST way that people get dumbed down is by failing to educate themselves - about history - and about the world around us. If that post is indicative of anything, you're on your way to a full membership in the flock.

The Germans voted Hitler in based on propaganda they fell for...he didn't just take over, they VOTED HIM IN.

That is the basis for my opinion, if I am stupid, so beit.

There are legions of sheep among major religions. But fewer among Jews. Without a belief in life after death, it's now or never for them, and they rarely just accept things.

Hitler was voted in in 1933 largely because of an economic situations far worse than our own Great Depression, which coincidentally brought FDR in. He didn't come into office with ate filled propoganda - all he did was pledge to end the Depression, and he promptly did, by rebuilding the infrastructure (autobahns etc) and then the military. After recovering the country from Depression, yes, many people followed him sheeplike.

Now, why do you think he went after the Jews so viciously? It was because he knew they wouldn't just go along with the Nazi regime - Jews are not followers - while Christians believe that life after death will right earthly wrongs. I can tell you from interacting with Germans who survived world War 2 that although it was nice to get out of the Depression, the pain that was caused by the war was far worse than Depression itself.

There was no worry about "civilian casualties" then. No CNN to report them. So Allied air campaigns targeted German cities, wiping out tens of thousands of civilains each month. I'm not saying teh Allies were wrong - it was a total war against a powerful war machine. All I'm saying is that the German people just wanted it to stop.

50 years later, these people still think Hitler was right and Ive met as many or more that think like that than who find the whole thing a tragedy. BESIDES the fact, Mein Kampf had been in print for quite a while. I think If I was voting someone in and they had written their memoirs, Id be reading them. The fact that no one did, or worse yet, ignored it, is unconsciable.

And besides the fact you've now made me argue only about Jewish people and I am the farthest thing from an antisemite you'll ever find..I hate all religion equally.
You want to talk about sheep? Im sorry, but allowing ones nation to be enslaved by another when you outnumber then at least 2 to 1 seems awfully sheep like to me.
Believing a bunch of pandering "prophets" that a "saviour" willcome and save them when they are fully capable of saving themselves seems awfully sheep like to me.

I doubt their nation allowed themselves to be enslaved...Military power is strong enemy to go up against

It's all a matter of what angle you want to stare at it

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Originally posted by kat:

BESIDES the fact, Mein Kampf had been in print for quite a while. I think If I was voting someone in and they had written their memoirs, Id be reading them. The fact that no one did, or worse yet, ignored it, is unconsciable.

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Easy for us to say now that people should have read the memoirs. Germany after World War 1 was decimated. It was the "home turf" for the war.

Then, the Treaty of Versailles handed them the bill for the whole thing. So after the war destroyed their physcial infrastructure, the Treaty destroyed their economic infrastructure. They had inflation that reached 1,000,000%. Their money was worthless. It made our "Great" Depression seem like a bad day for the NASDAQ.

So let's see - the country is decimated, no one is working, families are starving, the government (then known as the Weimar Republic) is not capable of restoring order or economic happiness.

When the new guy came to town (Hitler) no one had time to care what he wrote. They were too busy trying not to starve to death.

ALSO....book distribtution was a little different in 1925 than it is today. There was no Barnes and Noble, and you couldn't just walk down to the public library, because it was neglected at the expense of the war, and of secondary importance afterward. The literacy rate was quite low. Kids weren't going to school - they were working, trying to make a few pennies a day.

It is dangerous to look at past situations in our current context, and that is what you seem to be doing.

To believe the Talmud, or the Koran, or the Bible and FORCE IT ON OTHERS AS TRUTH INBCARNATE WITHOUT ANY BASIS OF TRUTH is wrong, and to accept it as anything more than interesting morals to perhaps use as personal ethical foundation is being a sheep....how many have I asked "why? why do you beleive this" and they cannot answer.
I can at least answer why I believe what I do....so, I may be stupid, but I am ot a sheep.

And if you take so much offense to be called a sheep, doenst your god preach "the meek shall inherit the earth"? Sheep are pretty meek.

Matt: fine, youre right, youre always right.
I'm uneducated and havent a clue of what I speak...you are always the great educator, so I will bow to your superiority.

I wasn't refering to you as a religous sheep, It was meant as a reference as MAYBE being a mindless sheep on the side of not believing in a religion....The point was anyone could be considered a mindless sheep for making the choices of their lives for whatever reason...Why should anyone have to justify their religous beliefs?If they believe cause the continue without thought as to why isn't that still a choice for living that way? Some don't need a reason, that doesn't make it not their own choice and I don't think it makes it any less correct. If a person chooses to except something "blindly" is that choice just as good as a reason as you saying you choose not to because you have no proof?

I was thinking your reference was made to people who believe in general. As far as any religion telling each other they are more right...well thats another arguement. I say Who cares if 1 set of beliefs is more right then the others. I respect a person based on them excepting choices for whatever reason, beit proven truth, or blind fate and reguardless of what side they are for

as for "doenst your god preach "the meek shall inherit the earth"? Sheep are pretty meek."

I don't believe my god has ever told me that, though I have read that somewhere in the bible. I don't believe sheep are that meek, I personally don't like the little bastards, but thats a west Texas story which would gross anyone out

I personally like posts like these (Thanks Havoc), because they stimulate intelligent conversation and debate (which is a large factor in what's missing in this country today).

I agree with Kat that too many people "go along" with what is "popular" and the "norm" which is usually dumbed down to the least common denominator.

I read everything. Nietzsche's interesting but a lot of his ideas are based in a historcial context.

Kat - whatever. All you really did was rant about the problems with religion (much of which I agree with) and then spew historical inaccuracies.

-Hitler ran under the "National Socialist" or Nazi Party
-Fascism is socialism. It is an autocratic leader which controls all facets of the economy.
What I remember, anything left wing- involves government control, right wing-lack thereof.

Hey Special Bill, EWE are terrible. Do you know the term safe sex means in Alabama? Branding the sheep that kick