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ironbarbarian

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posted February 20, 2001 11:25 PM

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i could have posted this at the anabolic board but i want to know what other people think....lets say you have around 4 years of weight lifting experience and know how to gain muscle naturally and have the discipline, and as a result enjoyed success training naturally. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW HOW TO TRAIN AND EAT...should you juice?

i'm starting my second cycle tomorrow,,i hear flames coming.....and i wont change anything....cos i want to compete on NPC TEEN...maybe on november...


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goleafs

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posted February 20, 2001 11:32 PM

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despite what most say...i am a firm beleiver that teens still in the pubescent process should not add any testosterone to their system via gear on whatever. ive argued this point before , but the average male does not reach muscle maturity until his early to mid twenties and often even later , therefore should not fuck with the bodys natural process. however , there is a school of thought that beleives if you add more , the only thing that canhappen is you get bigger.
my first cycle was at eighteen , when my body ws just peaking , and the results were great , however the sides were terrible. my last cycle , at 23 , was by far he best ive done with the least(none) sides....i attribute that to the fact puberty is a thing of the past. whatever i say , there will be someone who disagrees. i say no , but others say go...good luck


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Frackal

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posted February 20, 2001 11:40 PM

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Goleafs, what kind of sides did you experience, and what did you do to prevent them?


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ironbarbarian

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posted February 20, 2001 11:44 PM

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yeah, you are right. thats why i'm using relatively low dosages, yes i shouldnt be doin it, but, how can i earn a pro card if i dont juice....mmm suxs, maybe i'll just compete as a natural in the future...dont want to end up injecting 3g test....thanx.


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slack3r

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posted February 21, 2001 12:06 AM

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im starting 4th week of eq/dbol and i havent had ANY sides as of yet. Acne has actually gone down, alittle gyno symptoms at the beginning but they went away after a week. Oh yea, awesome pumps, up 9 pounds, and increased vascularity. Im almost 16, btw.


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ironbarbarian

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posted February 21, 2001 12:10 AM

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Hey slack whats up, yeah, how can i quit it if its feels so good???i'm 18,,,this is my second cycle, starting tommorrow, d-bol and aratest...i am aiming at getting to 225 at the end of the cycle, even with some fat i dont care, i'm stuck at 212(5'10) right now....so thats why i will juice for the second time....


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ironbarbarian

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posted February 21, 2001 12:11 AM

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yo slack how much are U taking?


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goleafs

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posted February 21, 2001 12:14 AM

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frackal...terrible acne , and the dreaded "back"ne...also my first cycle gave me a horrible ulcer type pain in my side...im sure thats from the winny though. good luck guys , and remember you CAN ask your doctor about this stuff. he wont turn you in

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ironbarbarian

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posted February 21, 2001 12:30 AM

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goleafs thanxs for all the imput, can you tell me the dosages that you took when you were 18? thanx


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slack3r

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posted February 21, 2001 01:15 AM

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eq@300mg/week 1-8
dbol@25mg/day 1-4
clomid


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Frackal

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posted February 21, 2001 01:48 AM

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Goleafs sir what was you cycle with the bad acne vs. the one you recently did?


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Natymike

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posted February 21, 2001 02:13 AM

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My personal views---

15 and under--WAY TO EARLY
16---still way too early, most people seem to grow significantly from 16 to 18--ie freshmen vs. Seniors. I shutter when I hear someone who is {almost} 16 is juicing, just seems kinda ridiculous, say goodbye to those extra inches you had coming.

17--still too early, still growing naturally
18--maybe, if you can't wait any longer.
19--why not
20-21--ideal range in my book.

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Joseph_stalin

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posted February 21, 2001 08:14 AM

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-and remember you CAN ask your doctor about this stuff. he wont turn you in

mine threatened to if i took dnp again. i should find a new doctor.


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Big Buck

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posted February 21, 2001 11:00 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Natymike:
My personal views---

15 and under--WAY TO EARLY
16---still way too early, most people seem to grow significantly from 16 to 18--ie freshmen vs. Seniors. I shutter when I hear someone who is {almost} 16 is juicing, just seems kinda ridiculous, say goodbye to those extra inches you had coming.

17--still too early, still growing naturally
18--maybe, if you can't wait any longer.
19--why not
20-21--ideal range in my book.


I agree w/ Natymike, I did my first cycle when I had just turned 19, gained 30 lbs kept 20lbs.....from 203 to 223. But, having said that, I've been natural since then and am up to 240, and I'm 20 (almost 21). Remember the most important things are diet, and rest.


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goleafs

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posted February 21, 2001 11:20 AM

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frackal - the worst for my acne was the damn d-bols and cypionate......the best (for me anyway) was eq and sustenon (cyctahoh)...but then everyone reacts differently.


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Badkins21

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posted February 21, 2001 12:45 PM

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See my reply on chesty's thread...are you my long lost twin brother???

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ironbarbarian

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posted February 21, 2001 01:08 PM

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badkins21 , although we may not be twin brothers(o fuck who knows if you compete on NPC we may be!!!), we share alot in common....hear me, 4 freakin years, i started lifting at 14, took every fcking suplement over the counter,,,all my money gone..turned 18, yes i'm bigger than the average joe but i'm not happy......gear is cheaper and more effective if you ask me, i retained ALL i gained on my last cycle....anyways, its too late to change courses, i already shot 500mg ara on my ass today together with some d-bol.

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Badkins21

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posted February 21, 2001 01:20 PM

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What show are you looking to do?? Me--the John Sherman Classic in July in Houston...

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Austin316

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posted February 21, 2001 01:31 PM

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Ill be 19 in March and if my friend comes through for me (I really don't want to do a mail order) I will start my first cycle then as well, Im 210 no and would like to be up to 245 solid eventually (Im also 6'1)


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madbomber31

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posted February 21, 2001 01:44 PM

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SHOULD??? SHOULD??? nobody SHOULD juice!!! i think i am done but who knows.. i waited till i was 24 to start. but wish i was 18 or 19 and had that build throughout college.

regardless.... i personally think my body is fucked up now and am scared of the long term risks involved. i want to be done but its tough staying the same size/weight for a while... so come may we will see what i decide.

if you do juice, expect it to be lifelong.


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