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Moderator 
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Baghdad's official press reacted furiously to the first Western air strike in the vicinity of the Iraqi capital since December 1998. "The Americans' and Britons' new, savage crime will not pass unpunished and without decisive retaliation," the official Qadissiya newspaper said in a front-page editorial. "We will teach the new American administration and the Zionist entity (Israel) lessons on Jihad (holy war) and steadfastness," it added. ------------------     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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It is frightening to think of their complete abhorrence of the United States, and the measures they are prepared to take. I wouldn't be suprised to see more acts of terrorism in the months to come... | ||
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Freak
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Damn Arabs are always causing trouble. I do wonder what the whole story behind this attack is. I'm sure we don't know the half of it like usual. | ||
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I think it may have something to do with the fear of recession in the US. | ||
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Freak
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As in a distraction tactic by bushy? | ||
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No, the rules of war- when there's about to be a recession, you start a war to get the economy going- more jobs, etc. | ||
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Freak
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Aww yes. True Mr. H. With little thought given to lost lives. | ||
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H, I would agree that that could be a possibility. However, has W learned from his father? the post war recession in 1991 cost him the election. | ||
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Cyborg   
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Yeah, but bush senior didn't really want to be pres again. Fuck hussein, give that boy the smack down! ------------------ | ||
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Iraq has reported they're shooting at us: http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/02/18/iraq.sanctions.02/index.html | ||
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Cyborg
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Let's just take over that part of the world then we can smack 'em around until he shapes up. I am so sick of that panty waste and everybody's so scared of him. Fuck that prick and take him out. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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I actually shook W. senior's hand when he was campaigning for re-election in colorado. I was in third grade I think. He said I was a "handsome young man." If only I knew what a wretched sleaze he was then. | ||
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Yeah. I don't know when we're going to quit playing games with them. Send some stealths over there and blow up the capital. These people are probably too stupid to have been working on better technology than the scud technology and will watch their entire plan defeated by Patriot missles again. Who is now in the position that Stormin' Norman was in during Desert Storm? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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I heard there is a shitload of countries pissed at the U.S. and GB. Russia, Cuba, France and Egypt were the ones I heard so far. And Iraq of course. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Russia or the C.I.S (Country in Shambles) is one of the shittiest countries in the world. Fuck these assholes. the whole world owes us a debt that can never be made. If we weren't there to keep people in line this world would be so much more fucked up than it is. For Russia and other to be pissed at us is bullshit, those ungratful fucks. Don't bite the fuckin hand that feeds you. Our country is far from perfect but I'm proud of it and would never live anywhere else. | ||
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Cyborg
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Frack, how would you know what kind of sleaze he may have been? Did you prefer clinton? ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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Naw...clinton is revealing that he was quite the scumbag, but I would bet slopain's left testicle that george bush, using his oil company as a front and in cooporation with the CIA helped to smuggle drugs into this country. George W. Bush I is a 33rd degree mason, ex-director of CIA, maybe tried to have reagan killed, etc... [This message has been edited by Frackal (edited February 19, 2001).] | ||
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The United States has committed an act of terrorism against the sovereign country of Iraq. That is possible grounds for war. I do not like Iraq or their politics but that does not give the US the right to terrorize the innocent citizens of Iraq. Wasn't it bad enough that the US lied to the people of Iraq after the war and told them they would be supported in a revolution? The revolting Iraqis were not supported and thousands of innocent people were tortured and executed. The hate for the US also comes from cowardly, boldfaced lies such as those. The definition of terrorism includes the targeting of civilian areas in an act of defiance against a certain government or regime. This is exactly what the US did. You can't deny that! Finally we do NOT KNOW THE TRUTH, so there is not use just parroting what the press releases say about the situation. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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yea i agree with 2 thick... but nevertheless i guess its time to kick Sadammes bitch ass again... Im suprised hes in power still, when will those fools ever learn! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Us bombing Iraq is a drop in the bucket compared to how pissed thw Arab world is with our continued (and increasing) support of Israel. | ||
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Freak
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The mason drug thing is kinda off a reach. I'm not saying something wasn't going on thier but I don't think that the way it added up. | ||
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Cool Novice 
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What I find funny is the fact that the US want Saddam in power because he is a loony, but a very controllable loony. They would rather have his human rights abuses that a hard core Jihad goverment. Grotto. | ||
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Olympian 
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Terrorism flows in this "cycle of violence" which basically means the organization that was made a victim of a terrorist act WILL retaliate eventually with an act of their own. Pan Am Flight 103 was a paypack for a US terrorist act, don't be surprised if another plane blows up. Terrorists in the middle east work together with the government, so what will happen next is some innocent Americans will be killed by middle eastern terrorist, then the US will retaliate, hence the "cycle of violence". ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Why is it that Saddam will probably be around when G Dubya is gone? He outlasted Daddy Bush and Slick Willie. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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2Thick, Thats the biggest bunch of crap. Terrorism against an innocent country you say? Tell me, if Iraq is so innocent, why will they STILL not let our weapons inspectors in? If he's not building weapons of mass destruction, why not let us in? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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2Thick, Thats the biggest bunch of crap. Terrorism against an innocent country you say? Tell me, if Iraq is so innocent, why will they STILL not let our weapons inspectors in? If he's not building weapons of mass destruction, why not let us in? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Once again this brings up the question, do we interject with the decessions a country makes reguardless who is in power and how the decession is made because we dont feel it's status quo with what we believe? Or do allow those people to stand up against him or not? I had 2 cousins that fought over their the last time and the only thing they came back with was illness that have not been helped by dr's yet... How long was the treaty supposed to be good for as far as Iraq allowing UN inspectors into their country and the no fly zone? Baring any BS treaties like the one Japan signed after ww2 I think eventually we need to leave Iraq be as far as our military goes...Why not pump in arms and money to those that oppose him instead of risking american lives? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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and one more thing to add to the arguement I made...The 1st time we slapped him on the wrist, Next time he trys the crap he did back then, we take him down all the way, and let the other arab countries save face by deciding how that country will run without Saddam rulling seems like a resonable solution to me as well as giving the Iraq people a chance to standup before Saddam Screws them over again | ||
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Cool Novice
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To Pat1USMC, Come on now, thats a bold faced lie, Saddam never commited ethnic cleansing of his own people. I'm sure thats what your commanding officers impounded into your head, to make you hate your enemy. Ok now here are some facts for you people who only rely on CNN for your biased info: These are results of our sanctions(gove. lead 1)Infant mortality rates in Iraq are the highest in the world. 2)41% of the pop. has access to clean drinking water 3)an increase of death reported in public hospitals, due to diarhea, pnemonia, and malnutrition, IN EXCESS OF 40,000 DEATHS YEARLY ALL UNDER 5 YRS OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 4)Approximatly 250 people die daily as a result from sanctions 5)4,500 children under the age of 5 are dying each month from hunger and disease Now why do you think that Saddam is targeting our jets? Who is causing this problem for his people? The US. And Pat1usmc if he was comiting ethnic cleansing then wouldn;t these sanctions be perfect for his plan? But, he opposed them from the start. Why, to protect his people | ||
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Cool Novice
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Some more food for thought, France, Russia, and China all prominent members of the UN Security Council have continually challanged the US positions and US military strikes. The Pope, 53 bishops and numorous other religious leaders have called for an end to the sanctions and vigorously opposed military strikes on Iraq. The Arab lead constantly calls for immediate lifting of sanctions on Iraq. The US has acted in defiance of international consensus and has incurred mistrust and criticism for its abitrary and selective enforcment of UN resolutions. Open your eyes people, sometime, someday the big bully of your neighborhood always falls with a good ass-kicking from a new-comer, unless he changes his ways. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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TODAY IN LONDON a group of terrorists of some kinda organisation who have taken a Jihad were captured today in london with SARIN nerve gas!!! apparently they wanted to place a bomb in the london underground and kill lots of londerners. loads of muslim terrorists hide out in london (russia just complained that the mercs. fighting in chechnya go to the london school of economics!). now they're bombing us, knowing full well that they'd be killing men, women, children and many muslims without a doubt. these guys (not all muslims) are crazy fcuks, put them on a holy war and they won't stop till they die. saddam is a convienient whipping boy some of the time, keeps iran in check for the other.problem is other arab countries let ther land be usesd for airfields and donated troop (saudi arabia donated more tanks than any other nation in the conflict). When we didn't take saddam out he vowed revenge on them and shit. who says if there is another conflict they'd let us use all there stuff and resources again (apart from the place where US and Brit planes are at the mo.) worse thing is i use the undergound ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
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London, YOu obviously have learned the term Jihad from the mass media. The term translated into the Arabic form (and not mass zionist media) means to struggle. Which there is many different kinds, to struggle with oneself to say go to the gym. To struggle to go to work, and to struggle against OPPRESSION ie. in Palestine, in Chechyna, in Iraq, in East Timor. Don't get me wrong if these crazy people would have followed through with there plan it is extremly wrong. | ||
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Cool Novice
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Sorry, you people got me started, Another fact, All acts that the US has deamed as "TERRORISM" has killed less then 5,000 people. But the sanctions the US impose on Iraq kill over 5,000 a month. | ||
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Freak
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Don't put shit where your told you are not suposed to, because of what you did(kuwait) and you won't get your war toys blown up. Stay out of the no fly zone!!! That mean anti aircraft weapons also. | ||
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Cool Novice
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YOur a moron, its been going on for over ten years. They are no threat to us. I haven't seen any Iraqi plans fly over lately and bomb my house. You? Look at the big picture my friend. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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you called me london...thats so impersonal...  ya i realise that these people (and by that i mean the true inhabitants of Iraq) are oppressed. and that they face an uphill struggle in their own country in their own regime and that cutting off any trad the country had and bleeding it to near death isn't gonna help. just pointing out that the people arrested said that they were on jihad (though was from a newspaper and lets get a few things clear. no-one would be allowed to attack Iraq in the state it is in, so why spend so much on getting fibre-optics from china (and tactical info from serbs-who persucated thousands of kosovans, who are muslim). and why donate $$$ to the US when your own back yard is screwed. the many people that die in IRaq could be reduced if saddam wanted to. terrorism gives no choice to non-combatants. it kills children, women and all races indiscrimanatly, and is wrong. to say it kills less people from the sanctions doesn't dtract from the fact it is wrong. and before you ignite i consinder what the US and britain are doing to be wrong as well (sanctions wise). but if you remove them, his arms program increases dramatically. kill him now and he could be a martyr (sp?) i hoped the probelem would be resolved if he died of that cancer. so what would you do if u were a politician? no flame. ------------------ | ||
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Did you know that in a recent UN survey of citizen liberty, Iraqis finished last: they have ZERO of 40 freedoms the UN deemed appropriate, for example, the freedom to assmble peacefully, to travel around and outside the country, etc. By comparison, the US had 34. (sweden - 38, highest) Saddam brought the current situation on himself. He rolled the tanks into Kuwait, and there are consequences. Did he really think the US wouldn't respond to a threat on their oil supply? Oil is the blood of the world economy. when we attacked, he literally took his soldiers' boots away, so they couldn't run. he just left them there, facing an onslaught of tanks - surely this is a man who cares not for his people. Did you see how many of them offered no resistance? They had no boots, little food - and these were his Armies...his fiercest patriots, and he left them there to die like dogs. why do you suppose he would help his people if he had more money coming in? Do you see a soft side of Saddam? Now there are conditions for him to get the sanctions lifted. One big one would be to let the inspectors back in. Since he isn't, he is probably working on chemical weapons (or nukes), so the last thing we want to do is let him sell more oil. | ||
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Cool Novice
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OK, Sadam like most military dictators is primaraly concerned with protecting his military and political supportors. However, the UN and other humanitarian agencys have given high ratings to the Iraqi food rationing system. There is relativly an insufficent access to food. Yes, Iraq has used some of the money for new buildings and palaces, and for his troops and political supportors. (how else would he stay in power) However the US-led sanctions have by far been the cause of the devestating impact on this country. Fact: Iraq has been under dictatorship for more than 20 years. For 12 of them he was supported by the US. It was still a dictatorship while supported and political human rights where restrained. But before the sanctions Iraq had the highest living conditions in the middle east. (food, edu., and general quality of life was that of devolped countries. The most common problem faced by Iraq pediatrations was childhood obiesity. But post 1990 the denial of basic human rights have been paramount-this is a direct result of the sanctions. Check unicef figures and you'll see that 5,000 to 6,000 children under the age of 5 die every month. We supported Iraq when it invaded Kawait, Basically goes something like this, Iraq just got out of the war w/Iran and was hurting economically, Kuwait kept pressing for some of their money owed by Iraq, while saddam said you gotta wait i'm hurting know, they wouldn't quit so he invaded, w/ the support of the US. US turned on him, probably in request from the Zionist country in that region because Iraq was a threat, being a supporter of Palestine. London, sorry about the "moron" I get a little edgy when the term Jihad is used like that. Take it from me these people were more than likely not true Muslims. | ||
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quote: yes, and it's all saadams's fault. he tried to take over the middle east for god sakes! you become a dick and people hate you, thats how it works. if he wasnt a schmuck thered be no sanctions. | ||
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Cool Novice
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London, The politics of this go so much deeper than the surface. To me I see the US-Brittan attacks as on which favor the zionist country, which is in the process of commiting an ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Saddam knows this and is very close to (what I believe) starting a war with this zionist country, because he is first, strongly opposed to it, and second, deeply supports the Palestinian people. At the start of this current Intifada going on in Palestine I believe, and don't quote me on this but a petition initiated by Saddam to fight for the Palestinian people, had something like 5 mill. signatures. Which is a viable threat to any country. As a polotician well I'll keep those views to myself, as if you don't know them by my writings. | ||
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Cool Novice
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Yes, you can't deny he wanted to create a large Arab state(arabia) He's probably one of the brightest leaders over their, all this conflict can be summed up in two words, British caused. This land was colonized and divided, he see's this; this area of the world can only represent itself once it is united, look at the US-united Their is no power in division, Thats the cause of him being our enemy #1 !!!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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quote: i really fucking hope your joking,israel could wipe out the entire palestinian community in an hour if they desired.your brothers will now have to answer to israel's new prime minister ariel sharon who doesnt give a fuck about peace,this is a man who wont shake arafats hand.things are about to change my friend,your little muslim buddies are about to get a wake up call as to who is in charge of the middle east. ALL THE OIL IN THE ARAB WORLD ISNT WORTH ONE JEWISH BRAIN. you probably already know that israeli scientists are working 24/7 on an oil substitute,and when that day comes i feel really sorry for your buddies. sorry if that post is offensive but your tone tells me youre in favor of the destruction of israel so i had to step up for my people.face it you guys got nothing on us and never will. s000ooouuurrjjeerrkkkkkkkkkkkkk | ||
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Is that why he invaded Kuwait? To unify Arab lands? One big happy Arab family? Why did he roll the tanks in if he wanted to unify with Kuwait? That doesn't even begin to make sense. There is enough wealth in the Middle East to really build the Arab community up to be strong. Yet they don't. The Royal Family of Saudi Arabia has wealth beyond comprehension, yet their people are mainly poor. Iran's hard liners work to defeat the reform movement, yet it is the only way for the country to progress. Arafat is leading the youth of his country to their death with his stupid terrorism. These leaders (and Saddam also) are totally uncaring towards their people. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I don't think anyone here would doubt the military power Israel has...NO one in the middle would stand a chance even if the U.S. didn't step in to help. Their weapons and training are 1st class, their citizens are trained mentally to take on alot of shit...Though I think Palestine should get their own country I think it's a joke with some of the claims and requests they are making...I personally don't feel as sorry for them now as I did 6 months ago. They had ample time to come to a peace aggreement but they got gready as well as released militant prissioners who will stop at nothing but to start a war with their neighbors. Now they wont get shit but a foot up their ass if they dont get it together. As for Sodamn Fuck him, and whatever his grievances are...I doubt you will get support from many here about the sanctions he is faced...He still makes billions every year selling oil, so he should be able to take care of his people...You don't see him suffer do you? do you think anyone in his LARGE faimly goes without a good meal at least 3 times a day? I doubt it. Before both of my cousins came home after the last war, they took and dropped off supplies to the Kurds(proppergroup?) and you know what happened not more then a few minutes after they were off the ground Sadamms troups were stealing their food and medical supplies, You dont think he's killed his own people? thats bull and you should know better then that. I personally don't care now if his people are struggling, if they don't like it why don't they take the chance fight for a revolt? I mean if chances are your going to starve to death or die of something else why not risk your life to change things? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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quote: very good point,but the sad truth is that these people are completley uneducated and are literaly brainwashed since birth to believe the jews and america are their enemys s00oouurrjjeerrkk | ||
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Cool Novice
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ALright here we go, I was waiting for a zionist. Let me post a couple of equivalents as I see them: Isreal=Nazi Germany Zionist=Nazi's IDF=Gastabo Sharon=hitler Palestinians=WWII Jews Zionist=all thats fucked in this world Thats really a tough thing to do to an oppressed people living in refugee camps. They are not gonna do it at once, its calculated you little insignificant. Look at the mentality of the zionist jews(not all Jews) It is one just like the Nazi's. The land was taken in 1948, it is Palestinian land, look at any map pre-1948 and you'll see the state of Palestine. The only reason that isn'treal has any power is because the US unconditionally backs them. I would guarantee that if you're people went head up with the Palestinians (i'm talking hand to hand) you people would get kicked all over the Middle East. A tough jew is an oxy-moron. IT's stolen land!!!! Txcollegeguy, YOu say that what the Palestinians are asking for is a joke. THink about it, somebody comes and takes your house. Then they say ok we'll give you and you're sister the basement, and your parents will live in the attic.(west bank, and gaza) ANd we are cutting off the route too and from the attic. BUt wait you say this is my house and when you say you want the whole thing back, as you deserve, they say you're being unreasonable, we are giving you so much. And what kind of peace do they get offered, a one sided peace, the peace offers have been unchanged since the begining, "o Barak has gone further than any other PM." Well the fact is that the Jewish settelments being built on Palestinian land has doubled and do me a favor go on the UN website and search for Israel violations. The list is incredible, ANYONE THAT WANTS TO ARGUE THIS CHECK UN RESOLUTION 242!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Tlyer, Come on now, I thought Jews were so intellegent? THen why would you say that arabs are uneducated? While Palestine has over a 99% literacy rate-sounds like you are the un-educated one. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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im over here lmfao at your post and logic.yes im convinced you are a true muslim. first of i never said they would destroy all palestinians you pathetic asshole i just said they have the capability. like i said:ALL THE OIL IN THE WORLD ISNT WORTH ONE JEWISH MIND... you will never get to me,but i appreciate the effort.. s00oouurrjjeerrkkkkkk | ||
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Cool Novice
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MatttheSkyWalker, How was the US created? Did we just ask for it? OR: Did we have to take it by force? | ||
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Cool Novice
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YOu weak-minded brain washed fool, WHat parent teaches his kid to die? YOu're an idiot if you think other wise. First off think about it, these kids are born under occupation, a life of hell, what else do they got to lose? It's mostly kids that are dying. But look at any revolution the vast majority of any revolution is under the age of 20, Joan of arc was. Ya, the IDF is so tough it can shoot 10 year olds with rocks, that takes top notch training. YOu people are cowards. Who's logic is a joke? Who is killing children with rocks? Who is killing old farmers in their field? I could care less about your ancestors accomplishments, it means nothing. You can thank the Arabs for your alphabet. The land was given? HOw? Where does the word Palestinan come from? Is it a ethnicity? Where does ethnicity come from? Like Italian, Irish, Sudanese? It's a country. There is over 3 million refugee's. Where are they from? WHat does refugee mean? Get my point. Sucka | ||
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Cool Novice
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I think you mis-took tough Jewish character for rudeness. Thats not tough, face it your people are weak. I'd like to hear one with a deeper voice than a women. | ||
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Don't compare apples and oranges. My argument was not to challenge the origins of Arab states, or of the US. Nations are developed often through war and conquest - no one is lamenting that. Stay on the topic here: I am postulating that Arab leaders, despite huge financial resources, do very little to develop their people. Iran: reform movement squashed by hard liners. Iraq: Soldiers left to die. Soldiers! Not ordinary citizens. Saudi: Unlimited wealth for the King, most of the nation is poor. Why does the Arab community treat its own people so badly? Let's stay on that one. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Well I can answer you with certainty that the U.S. was shapped and taken by force, some of my acestors were killed in genocide, and unlike the reputation they were given they came from a tribe with organized governments, constitution, a barter economic system within the different bands of tribes, and a written language...But back to what the real argument is... I'm just wondering Do you believe the Palestinians were living on that land before the Jews WAY BACK IN THE DAY???Though Israel might not have been recognized till 194-whatever, you think all of them came all at once and were told here you go jews no one else wants you so we will give you this land...Hell no....I think perhaps your historical perspective might be different from what I have read and heard threw discusions with jewish and arab historians. Even though some of the fundamental issues on that history are not always identical the basics from what I have heard is that the Jews imigrated from all over the middle east and all came to settle in what is now Israel, Yes there were Arabs that lived amongst with them, but they had no claim to the land considering they were wandering nomads which they didn't call themselves Palestinians so is it fair to say those people were the ancestors of todays palestianians. Yes their were Jewish Kings of that land which trace their lines farther back before anyone called themself a palestinian. then again maybe your right, perhaps the version of history I have read was falsely written, I really would like to know of other somewhat reliable sources that I could read that might tell me something else. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I don't think you can say just because in the Most popular written history of the world the arabs are the only ones that had an alphabet...Indians of the Americas have been traced threw different tribes to have alphabets as old and some dating older then that of the Arabs so don't think others didn't have them either, just because a few sets of cultures were influenced by them...Matt is right lets not compare apples and oranges. I thought the real question here was wether or not the U.S. actions and sanctions were right or wrong and why? now we are talking about Palestinians and Jewish people...I don't mind talking about this since they are involved indirectly...But do you really think all those little kids do is throw rocks at the troops? Your off your rocker if you think so or if you think a rock can't kill someone. I bet if any one of us threw a rock at someone head the chances would be good they would get hurt badly and worst yet maybe die...The moment you pick something up to use as offensive tool, you no longer are just a protestor, you are fighting...To me that is plain and simple. In the U.S. if you were protesting and picked up a stick, rock, whatever that might be used in a offensive weapon you don't think the cops or anyone else would put you down? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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quote: when running out of intellegent things to post one will settle for cheap insults... ps.i was born in israel,raised in haifa,and have visited the entire arab world numerous times..
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Elite Bodybuilder
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wow, I guess there is something to learn on this board everyday about the people here...Tyler I would be interested in hearing more of your prospective about the middle east if you don't mind emailing me. I have never been to the middle east, and I have not talked to many jews or arabs that are from there. another thing...It was said "What parent teaches their kid to die" My parents taught me about ways of dying, including threw struggle against injustice committed against you or in your name I do agree with "being born under occupation, a life of hell, what else do they got to lose?" your right so does none of the Iraqi people ask why they are living the way they are and Saddam is living the way he lives? Does that also mean they just take his word for it that it's the Americans and Jews faults? If that doesn't fit under your idea of a Zionist definition I don't know what you would call it....Hittler blamed jews for the poor economy when he should have blammed the U.S. president that thought he could take part in the negotiating terms to end ww1 but thats another post.... | ||
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quote: HEY A**HOLE (I mean great friend and peer)!!! IRANIANS ARE NOT ARABIC YOU IGNORTANT ( I mean not so educated on the subject due to the powers that be in the US) AMERICAN!! GOD DAMN, WHERE THE HELL DO YOU GET OFF CALLING THE LARGEST ARYAN NATION IN ASIA ARABIC?? It has kinda upset me because this is something that any half-wit should know from a simple HS history class. Okay I have calmed down a bit. I apologize if I come across as abrasive.. [This message has been edited by 2Thick (edited February 21, 2001).] [This message has been edited by 2Thick (edited February 21, 2001).] | ||
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quote: The Kurds are not his people. They are a separate peoples that are fighting for their own nation in the mountains of Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkie. They have been persecuted for hundreds of years.
quote: They did try after the Gulf War when the US said they would be supported but then the US fucked them and let them be captured and tortured (and eventually killed) by the thousands. That is why they don't trust the West; Because they are liars. | ||
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Hehehe... what an interesting topic... I just have to respond to Dfaced! I have a question for you, my friend. Suppose Palestinian extremists, with the help of Iraqis and others fundamentalists (like the Lebanese-based Hizbollah and the Egyptian-based Muslim Brotherhood) start a war with Israel in order to liberate "all of Palestine". Imagine the Arabs winning (again, this is entirely hypothetical). THEY WILL SLAUGHTER EVERY JEWISH MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD! AND THEY WON'T STOP THERE, BECAUSE FOR A FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIM (not a real, hardcore Muslim) IT IS THE JEWISH PEOPLE, NOT THE STATE OF ISRAEL, THAT HAS TO BE DESTROYED. AND STOP USING CODEWORDS LIKE ZIONIST. YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU HATE AND WHAT YOU WOULD DO TO THEM IF GIVEN ENOUGH POWER. Do you honestly think that the Jews will just invite their enemies over and allow them to mercilessly slaughter innocent civilians? That's called suicide, and no country would allow that to happen to itself. I really wish you would drop the cool codeword lingo, and avoid saying things like "the Zionist entity" and "the Zionist Ruled Media". Come out and say exactly what you mean! Don't be afraid. Oh, is it because then your real IGNORANCE and RACISM will be revealed? Btw, what in the world is GASTABO? Do you even know what Zionism or Nazism mean? My advice: do some studying before you entertain us with your ramblings. I don't know why, but for some odd reason I picture you as someone who's foaming heavily at the mouth as he types with his thumbs. Peace PS Don't even try to challenge me to a historical debate. I'm a graduate student in history, so I implore you not to go down that path of self-destruction. You'll be completely and utterly annihilated if you step into the ring with me. Good night [This message has been edited by Stumpy (edited February 21, 2001).] | ||
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quote: IRANIANS ARE NOT ARABIC!!! I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR ARGUMENT WITH ANYONE BUT GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE SAYING SOMETHING. IT MAKES YOU LOOK IGNORANT TO MISS SUCH A FUNDEMANTAL FACT IN THAT REGION. | ||
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quote: History was written by the Winners. Just because you know history does not mean you know the TRUTH. History is ultimately subjective and that means you only know one version...the western academic version. | ||
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Saddam is still a threat because we want him to be---its good business---right now he is the only one that we can flex our muscles too. To the person who said that their are countries upset at us because of our relationship with Israel---Your right but ---The Jews as of today run our government---They are only 2% of the Population but if you look at what jobs the jewish hold in government(high power jobs) you would be amazed at how many are raking officals---We almost had one as a vice pres.-----The U.S. is trying to Globelize the world, and what will happen at the end is we the united states of america will be the cause of the end of human life. We are trying to rule the world in a passive aggressive state. Our government is the most corrupt in the world and the terrist acts that are done to us are nothing compared to what we do to others----We only see a very small amount of what happens outside the U.S. ---Remember the Golf War---What a joke it was to see our General Laughing at the bombs that were dropped on things---and our country ate it up---In the media, we did not make a mistake but if truth be told their were many---(PROPAGANDA AT ITS FINEST) | ||
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Wombat, You have made some valid points although sounding a bit politicaly incorrect..hehe. ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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quote: I never said that I know the TRUTH, and neither did I claim that history is objective. Rather, the whole purpose of history it to reanalyze the past from many opposing angles, and see just how one event could be interpreted in so many different ways. As part of my program, I study all kinds of historical narratives and methodologies. My focus this year is on the conflict between the colonial powers and the nascent Islamic revival movement in 19th century Maghrib (North Africa). So, I'm familiar with other perspectives in history, not just the familiar Western European narrative. Btw, the largest Aryan-speaking republic in Asia is India, not Iran. And our friends, the Kurds, are Aryan-speaking as well. Actually, Indo-Iranian is the preferred term nowadays; Aryan has way too many pseudo-racial connotations. Peace | ||
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quote: I said Aryan nation (as in they are descendents of the original Aryans that traveled there from the steppes of Russia) and NOT Aryan speaking. There is only a small ,minority of Aryan decedents in India. Using semantics will not make you right... Trust me when I say that as a graduate student you are not learning as much from different sources as you think you are. I have two graduate degrees so I should know (although neither is in history). | ||
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Shit, I wanted to edit my message, and accidentally deleted it. So, I had to repost it. Excuse the incongruous order of your answer to my post before the actual message you were referring to. If one were to analyze modern Iranians anthropologically, one would find that they're descended from an amalgam of various tribes that includes the Irano-Sarmatians that you speak of. However, those tribes were native to the area. The whole "Aryan Invasion" theory that you keep referring to has been abandoned by all responsible anthropologists, linguists, and historians within the last 50 years. The theory just doesn't make that much sense. | ||
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quote: I am also leaving out the Arab/Muslim invasion that wiped out nearly half of the original population. I understand there are many factors that ultimately make the idea of an Aryan nation of Iran complicated (to say the least) but it is safe to say that "Iranians are NOT Arabic". In fact they are the majority (if not nearly) of the Shiah Muslims as compared to all of the Arabic nations which are made up of mostly Sunni Muslims. In fact much of Iranian cultural past is more closely linked to their Zoroastrian roots as opposed to the foreign Muslim invaders. Basically, they are not Arabic. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Of course they're not Arabic. I kind of went off here on a little tangent with semantics, and all that. Hopefully, our discussion of this matter had some sort of a therapeutic effect on the rest of this discussion. Peace ------------------ | ||
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quote: Yes, I hope it will allow for more civil discussions without having to resort to insults. It was a pleasure discussing this issue with you. BTW- I like the dancing rat.. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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the media never give the other side of the story on subjects like this. read something written by noam chomsky on the subject of iraq or american foreign policy. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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USA = The Great Satan!!! | ||
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I'm not gonna debate with you people anymore. Come on stumpy, I don't care about your little degree, I'm a student a top tear school, and let me tell you something the history and middle eastern classes I have taken, have basically been, PROPAGANDA 101. Stalin, your right, if any of you want the real on this info, go to zmag.org and check the Noam Chomsky archive. First off this guy is Jewish, he's the head of the linguistic's department at MIT. IF you want the really want the truth, this guy will break it down. Stumpy, Come on don't be stupid, I hate zionist not Jewish people. I love the way you people are so quick to pull the Racist card. I think I know a little about being on the shitty side of RACISM-BEING A MOTHER FUCKEN BLACK MAN. So the next time you wanna use that card as a scare tatic on somebody who is speaking the truth, well, sove it up your fucken ass. | ||
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Here is what the zionist occupation soiders did today,Feb,21 Israeli tankmen and gunners bombed a prodominatly Christain town in the west bank, Beit Jala, killing one and injuring over 30. "what you see is there barbarity, they are worse than Nazi's, they are artillary shells and tank fire on civilian neighborhoods, on defenseless men, women and children, tell the American people to stop sending our tax money to Israel to kill and maim our children." Nichola Araj, a resident of Beit Jala And now the Israeli occupation force, refuses to let pilgrams make their Holy journey to the city of Mecca. That is a clear case of limiting RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, kind of sounds like the NAZI'S of the old to me. YOu know its real easy to justify this when every single Jewish person believes they are a victim. And lets think about that for a second a victim can do no wrong....... | ||
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quote: You have got to be kidding me. I really doubt a student that goes to a top TIER university would have trouble with spelling, much less constructing basic English sentences. Btw, you never DEBATED with anyone, you just plain insulted anyone who exposed you as a true ignoramus.
quote: Please clarify. At any decent college, hell, even at a JC, you can take a history course and get whatever info YOU want from that class. Most professors organize a course around their own idea of a narrative, but then it's up to the student to ACTIVELY participate in the learning process and then ANALYZE the information given on their own. So, you're telling me that you were unable to do so?
quote: Noam Chomsky is actually a very gifted writer, and his views are really interesting and controversial. He's also really good friends with Ghaddafi and Arafat; to say that he's a radical would be an understatement. But let's not diverge here. Again, just going by your writing alone, I say that there's no way that you're a student at a decent college.
quote: What scare tactic? Stop evading the question! Do you EVEN KNOW what a Zionist means? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're not a college student. Neither are you black. In fact, the only access to the internet Peace |
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