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WODIN

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posted February 13, 2001 07:16 AM

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Tim McVay wants his execution in March to be broadcast on national television.

I am against the death penalty myself, however, I feel that if your going to do something then you should do it with both barrels blazing. Therefor I fully support his desire to have his execution broadcast on TV and I think that anyone who would oppose this and still support the death penalty is a hypocrite through and through. It is like saying I want to eat a hamburger but I don�t want to know where the meat came from!

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MattTheSkywalker

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posted February 13, 2001 07:21 AM

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Wodin,

McVeigh is the "greatest" murderer in US history. If anyone deserves the DP, it;s him.

But televising it is in really poor taste.

I think instead, he should be placed in an abandoned building, and the building blown up while he's in it. If the death penalty were carried out in a fashion similar to what the killer did (i.e. the killer would be stabbed, shot, drowned based on his/her crime) there might be some deterrent qualities.


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havoc

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posted February 13, 2001 07:28 AM

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The death penalty is wrong. There are plenty of other things worse than death in MY opinion: seclusion, Psy-ops, stank pussy, incarceration(belly of the beast), dirt weed etc etc.

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WODIN

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posted February 13, 2001 07:42 AM

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Why not do a pay per view thing where the families of the victimes receive all the proceeds from the airing of the execution.

As Havoc says, there are a whole bunch of things worse than death.

If you support the death penality then why not bring it out into the public? They use to have public hangings in most states up until the 1920's. This was a direct connection for people to the essence of crime and punishment. That link has been lost, many people with out a direct exposure to things have no concept of what that thing is. Therefor we should have public executions!

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havoc

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posted February 13, 2001 09:01 AM

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Hambone you said "there is no stress in prison", man are you serious? Have you ever been locked up? Your comment is leaving me in an awe like manner where all I can articulate right now is "what the fuck". You are so wrong, I still cant believe you said that.

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HappyScrappy

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posted February 13, 2001 09:06 AM

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I suppose there is no stress if the constant threat of death or the daily anal raping doesn't bother you.
but if that doesn't bother you, then why the hell would things in everyday life like bills and such bother you?

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TxCollegeguy

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posted February 13, 2001 09:18 AM

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Though I do not care if McVeigh is excuted, do any of you honestly believe that based on the amount of explosives compiled in that ryder truck that it was even possible that he did most of that damage...i don't think so, and neither did the Militarys top Ordance guy when this happened...I'm going to try and find that tape he made with PBS showing photos and live reports that the OK City news took vs what CNN showed the rest of the country.

For his place in this I do believe he deserves to be executed so please dont think of this as a statement to defend him


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Warik

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posted February 13, 2001 09:43 AM

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True, havoc, there are worse things than death; however, death is the least expensive. When a man is put through any of the tortures you mentioned (with the except, perhaps, of stank pussy), he doesn't pay a dime for it. The tax payers (you and me) do.

Of course, we also pay for the ridiculously expensive execution by electrocution or gas chamber or lethal (aka the easy way out) injection. I'm in favor of hanging, drowning, or bullet to the head. A rope and a tree is dirt cheap, water is the most abundant natural resource, and I'd gladly pay for McVeigh's bullet.

Such is our justice system. It cares out being "humane" even though the bastards being punished ceased being human long ago.

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havoc

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posted February 13, 2001 09:52 AM

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36 months, holy shit, do you remember your first week? Insane right.

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john937

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posted February 13, 2001 10:11 AM

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Don't use expense as a reasoning for or against death penalty.
It costs a lot more in legal bills to go thru all the automatic legal reviews and appeals
to get a guy executed than to put them away for life.

Fry the bastard. But not on tv.
It turns him into a martyr.


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rudedawg

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posted February 13, 2001 10:22 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by john937:
Don't use expense as a reasoning for or against death penalty.
It costs a lot more in legal bills to go thru all the automatic legal reviews and appeals
to get a guy executed than to put them away for life.

Fry the bastard. But not on tv.
It turns him into a martyr.


I agree..... and what is worse than death? Other than the BS that Havoc posted.


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chesty

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posted February 13, 2001 10:38 AM

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First off, the Ryder truck could definately hold enough explosive's to do the damage that we saw. Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer is a very powerful substance and when mixed in the proper ratios with another substance it is very powerful indeed.

In fact, there was alot of the ammonium nitrate that was not detonated because of improper ratios and mixing.

At any rate, I am not sure he was nothing more than a patsy.

The first reports came out and explicitly described bearded middle eastern men in their mid 30's as parking the Ryder truck outside the building and then leaving. And then within hours they have a white male in his mid 20's, clean shaven in custody linked to the crime. And he was conveniently pulled over in another state for having no license plate on his vehicle. Hmmmm? I wonder. This sounds really fishy to me.

Not too mention the fact that the ATF workers had been told to take that particular day off. And that some others in our gov't had recieved faxes of the impending attack, reported it and nothing was done.

Why were only the agents told to take the day off? I wonder.

Now as for nuking on television, it will not have the impact needed for deterrent, it will be like watching a movie only with poor acting. A pay perview would render us a Roman Empire sibling back to the gladitorial times.

It could also lead to a business in which murders get executed on tv and we pay for the privelage to watch this and the producers and such make all the money.

I am for the death penalty, it should be public and in full view. Not watered down, and should be swift.

As for McVeigh and his part nuke the little fuck. Shove an M80 up his ass, light the fuse and watch him suffer till he dies. Or just give him the victims families.

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MP5

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posted February 13, 2001 11:28 AM

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Hambone, is it as bad as they show on TV? Do people stare you down and kick you ass, and rape you and all that shit? I have always wondered. And if it does happen, how long does that shit last? Do they finally let up on you after you are not the new guy?

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Laserdude

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posted February 13, 2001 11:33 AM

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I agree he deserves the DP, but the Government is just as guilty on this one.

So while were at it, let's execute all of the upper eschelon people of the Government, ATF, FBI, Reno, Clinton and do them too. They are all guilty of this crime against America.

Enough said.


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thefacelessballer

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posted February 13, 2001 11:46 AM

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i agree with the death penelty, but the punishiment should fit the crime


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MP5

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posted February 13, 2001 12:01 PM

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yeah, i agree. Mcveigh's part was a small one, that whole issue runs real deep. I always wondered if it was McVeighs idea, why couldn't he have blown up the IRS building.

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Rotten

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posted February 13, 2001 12:10 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by MP5:
yeah, i agree. Mcveigh's part was a small one, that whole issue runs real deep. I always wondered if it was McVeighs idea, why couldn't he have blown up the IRS building.


Amen brother!


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Warik

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posted February 13, 2001 02:54 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by john937:
It costs a lot more in legal bills to go thru all the automatic legal reviews and appeals

Dead men don't appeal. If punishment were carried out swiftly instead of letting the guy sit on death row for a few years appealing, then it wouldn't be so expensive.

I don't, however, believe that he should be executed on TV. That's just ridiculous.

-Warik

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