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George Spellwin

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posted February 12, 2001 07:06 PM

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Hardware Guru,
We are upgrading the Elite Fitness site and are planning to colocate our servers at above.net. We are switching from Sun Ultra 10's to Dell PowerEdge's running dual 733's with Red Hat/Apache.

We would appreciate comments on the following:

The Backup Solution (We are looking at a SCSI raid array with a script to back up 7 days) Are there better or more cost effective solutions?

Firewall, we are looking for a low cost easily administered solution. What do you think of the Cisco PIX 515 and does anyone have any suggestions for getting one at a low cost. Are there better solutions?

Is there a combo load balancer / firewall? What do you think of the Altheon ACEDirector?

Lastly, any suggestions for managed colocation professional services providers?

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posted February 12, 2001 09:45 PM

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bump foh da big mahn


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HappyScrappy

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posted February 12, 2001 10:04 PM

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I'm glad to hear you are changing over to some good stuff!
Raids (5 - all else is pretty worthless) are an awesome thing - I've watched them rebuild themselve right before my eyes... very nice. Not the most cost effective - most cost effective would probably be tape, but it sucks for oh so many reasons.
The linux is a great choice, but make sure you get it updated with all the recent updates - redhat is famous for being pretty crappy straight from the box (not their fault, there is a lot of software in there with potential probs.... usually sendmail <g> ).
I know my current company is using BigIPs for load balencers, and they are sort of okay, but there are far better options.
JohnnyO will obviously be the best person for the Cisco questions.
As for co-location, there are tons of good ones, and equally many bad ones. It really depends on where in the world you want your servers to be. Exodus, rackspace, hell - even HavenCo - they are all pretty popular. I know for a fact that Exodus hosts slashdot (all of the andover stuff), as well as all lycos, fast (The search engine) - they have a ton of cool machines, fastcompany, and many other big names (those are the ones I recall in the cages near ours).

get plenty of ram - it is cheap now and it is something that you really can never have too much of. and I'm 90% sure I recall the 733s having the 133 bus, so that is cool.

Glad to hear this is getting an update, it sure needs it.

George, if you ever decide to move away form the festering crap that is the infopop engine for these boards, let me know - I can write a system a million times better - and that way you can add any feature you want... and infopop sucks - did I mention that? (although it does occasionally have security holes... its got that going for it)

-hs

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MattTheSkywalker

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posted February 13, 2001 01:03 AM

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RAID 5 is pretty much the industry standard. Was that a backup every 7 days?
It is more common to back up daily (at least incrementally - the day's changes) and then do a full backup weekly. RAID will cost a few bucks but data is valubale, right? If there ever should be a problem, it will pay for itsels in minimizng downtime....which tape would not do.

Cisco firewalls are generally without problems. I'm not too familiar with other choices.....but part of that is because the Cisco products get the job done. Johnny would be the guy to get into depth with Cisco.

I haven't had the same nightmare experiences with RedHat that H-S has......though I'm sure his claims merit consideration. RAM - as always - a good amount is as much as the machines can hold.

Anyway this is welcomed.


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posted February 13, 2001 09:35 AM

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bump - where's JohnnyO?

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john937

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posted February 13, 2001 10:39 AM

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I manage a DB2 database on IBM RS/6000 servers running unix AIX on SSA disks with adapter cards that impliment RAID5 at the hardware level.
Awsome disk reliability. My disk crash problems are a thing of the past. I back up the database to disk every night, and then offline move the disk image to tape. That way the database performance is not impacted by the slow performance of a tape backup.

I'm moving the database to a new machine where we will be using RAID 10. Raid 10 is faster than Raid 5 but requires more disks for the same useable space.

I'm so glad you didn't try to use Dell servers on NT. Caution - RedHat Linux is still formative and you may have memory leaks or performance bugs.

Sun - Boo! hiss! been there, done that,
left the job in disgust.

IBM IGS (Global Services) can handle the colocation management but they aren't cheap.


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JohnnyO

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posted February 13, 2001 10:47 AM

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Guess who's internet was down yesterday ..

if you're not already on raid 5 do it, I run a small raid on my server at home, and also on my big workstation, it makes a huge difference in response times.


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JohnnyO

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posted February 13, 2001 11:23 AM

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About the pix, for hands free "set it and forget it" firewall the pix is great. Other solutions would be some computer based firewall, however those aren't as maintenance free as the pix .. marketing says the pix as a "secure real time kernel" that isn't prone to problems and hacking like Unix or NT.

I know I have an employee discount on hardware, I don't know if it's that much of a discount, I haven't purchased anything here. I'll see if I can come up with what they could charge me.


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posted February 13, 2001 11:30 AM

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HappyScrappy

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posted February 13, 2001 11:31 AM

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I'm so glad you didn't try to use Dell servers on NT. Caution - RedHat Linux is still formative and you may have memory leaks or performance bugs

That's not entirely true. All of the new linux distros are using the latest linux kernals and don't have memory leaks. You are right that perhaps some of the included software might, but the linux itself that is driving your server will be rock solid (post patches). When you buy a MS solution, you get all their stuff, and so if there is a problem, you know it is their stuff. But with linux, it is free, you are buying a packaged solution of 1000s of different programs bundled together and those are all written by different groups varying in skill. 90% of the time you are getting the best programmers working on that stuff b/c it is what they want to be doing, but occasionally you will see problems. But to say RedHat has memory leaks is a fallacy - they had well known problems in the mid to late 90s - but they are pretty good nowadays.

And I too am very glad you avoided MS stuff, and the move away from Sun is good as well - they have one thing going for them, and that is, they are very slow.
(MS is good b/c they have an amazing array of security holes)

Keep us posted on the move George, and the final decision(s)!

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George Spellwin

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posted February 14, 2001 09:50 AM

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Guys,

Thanks for all your help.

I do not think I was a clear as I could have been on some things.

1. We will be using Raid 5 instead of Raid 2 as we use now.
2. We will be at above.net, they are a tier one ISP and host many of the largest sites -- bn.com I believe.
3. JohnnyO, we would love info on getting a discount on a cisco pix 515 -- sounds like that's what we want, but boy is it costly! Thanks.
4. We run now with a GIG of Ram and plan to in the future -- we can add more, but this has always been sufficient.
5. We hate Infopop too and would love an alternative. Indeed, we have hacked lots of this system to make it better meet your needs. The good thing about UBB is the GUI -- this is our 5th forums software and by far the most popular. Let me know if there are better comercial packages out there that you recommend.
6 Backup: Right now, we back up everything EVERY day and we save backups for seven days. So we can go back a full seven days if necessary. This will not change. I think we will get a Raid array with five 36 GIG drives for the backup.

We would also love a security consultant in New York who could help us set this up and make sure we are doing things right -- if anyone has any contacts. More comments are welcome.

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HappyScrappy

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posted February 14, 2001 10:54 AM

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George - another thing to consider is putting the mail setup over ssl.
Thanks for keeping us abreast of the changes.

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posted February 14, 2001 03:22 PM

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The new server with Linux running the Apache Web Server will be great.

The RAID 5 you are suggesting could have an impact on the performance. I would suggest a RAID 1+0 for the best performance for what you are using it for.

The scripting backup is okay, but a third party solution would be better.

Veritas Netbackup for Linux works great once its configured.

PIX Firewall is a good soltuion for a firewall, but will need someones expertise in setting it up and maintaining<--(minimal) it. I would check with above.net to see if they could provide you with a firewall solution, and lock down the Linux box. If not just make sure the person configuring the PIX KNOWS what they are doing.

Also let me know what kinda price you get for the PIX, I might be able to beat it from my rep.

You mention a load balancer. WHY? You only suggested using one server.

Exodus would be my choice for co-locating have a friend that works there, awesome setup.

The MAIL is not using SSL until you enter your name to login at that time it transfer over to the HUSHAMIL servers. Yes someone can get your user name but they could possibly get that from your profile.

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HappyScrappy

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posted February 14, 2001 04:58 PM

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good point schlong - I didn't check for frames

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