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"I used to be a diabetic 'till i kicked it."
-Jerri Blank responding to the bruises on her arm

"May all of your showers be golden." - Jerri Blank

also - the IQ tests on the web are usually there to sell you something and I've always topped out every single on eI can find and I don't think it is b/c I'm way smart, I think it is b/c they have designed them to be that way so that I will then buy some product of theirs.
I was over 180 on several of the web ones - and everyone here knows I'm just your average dumbass mofo.

They are now finding that "emotional IQ" is a much more accurate predictor when trying to surmize an individual's ability to excel in the REAL world.

In other words, just because you are supersmart that does not mean that you will be able to find your own asshole to wipe it clean if you have emotional problems......like the inability to delay gratification for example.

So which would you rather be then? A tortured genius or a contented drooling idiot?

Me personally, I spent way too much time being tortured, not that I'm a genius by any stretch !

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....beauty knows no pain.

online tests are bull-shit. and that is the truth. any moron can be a super genius 160+ on online testing because they aren't diverse enough to give a true reading, s o if you learn certain tricks, u got them nailed.

but Mensa tests are very hard, and usually very accurate. Less than 2% of the population of the world is smart enough to be in Mensa.

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Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come.

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Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come.

There is a guy who lives in Long Island, NY and he is so smart that the standardized can not measure his intelligence. He is the individual IN THE WORLD (right now, anyways) with THE HIGHEST IQ. Has he found a cure for cancer or aids? NO. Has he found a way to end the deforestation of the tropical rainforests in South America? NO. Has he found a way to eliminate famine in the world? NO. He is a forty-something year old bouncer at a bar (I can't remember exactly what he used to do before that but I DO remember that it was not brain surgery.) who lives in a house that is even SMALLER than mine (I live in a shoebox for God's sake! LOL), never been married, never had children. He is currently working on a paper that will prove (I guess mathematically or scientifically...sorry guys, I'm no member of MENSA) the existance of God. OK. Um. Maybe I'm just to slow to figure out what signifigance this will hold to the lives of mankind. OK so either A)there IS a god....wonderful or B) there is no god......wonderful. Could one of you rocket scientists (not said disrespectfully, just stating with a little humor that I am not one of you ) please explain to me how this is not a CRIMINAL waist of what could be perhaps THE GREATEST MIND of all time?

Which illustrates my point. Just because an individual has an IQ that is off the charts it does NOT directly correlate to that individual's success in life. I mean, could you imagine being so smart that you could not enjoy the company of other people? I mean, how fucking lonely and pathetic is that? I'm not saying that a committed relationship and procreation are or should be the very pinnacle of our existance but, damn, call me simple, but I'd rather be an average woman who can share love and happiness, successes and failures, and life's deepest, darkest tragedies with another soul that will in turn share these with me.

....just my humble .02

Just as you are unlikely to scan and post your drivers license, I'd rather not put anything all that personal up.

If you don't believe that I'm a member, that is fine - I don't feel the need to have to prove myself. But also keep in mind that I went to one of the top schools in the country, and just to get in, your standardized test scores have to be in the top percentile - so it really isn't that much of a stretch to see me in Mensa (and I maintain that the people in Mensa aren't all that - they tend to want to flaunt what little they've got).

People on this board seem to be fairly adept at editing photos they choose, if you scanned your card, cyou could simlpy block out your name, etc.

I am not trying to get you or anyone Narc'd on, so please don't imply that.

Feel sorry for me or whatever makes your boat float

but I do not believe you. Don't take that as a personal offense. i dont have anything againnst you Scrappy

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Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come.

And think about what you are asking - you want a scan of a Mensa card - with my name blocked out.
1) have you seen a Mensa card - would you know if what I posted was fake?
2) if the name is blocked out, what is going to stop me from posting someone else's card and claiming it were mine?
3) if you don't believe me now, then you may still claim not to belive me afterwards - and then I've just posted my card.

give me a test and if I don't score high enough on it, then you can say I'm an idiot.
we've already stated though that tests aren't a good indicator... so now it seems we've gotten ourselves in a bind.

but for now, I will state, I'm a member, in Boston (there is a chapter here, feel free to look into it), and if you don't want to believe, then fine then.

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The Downside Of Being Better Than Everyone Else Is That People Tend To Assume You're Pretentious.

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I can say with strong confidence - that wasn't me.

and you "implied" that i agree that IQ is not a good judgement of intelligence, and I disagree and always will.

now, we must agree to *disagree*. You think your own little thing, i think mine

and i say that intelligence does determine success. just because one case can be sited of an extremely intelligent man that is not successful, i can still disagree.

every man/woman has a VERY different definition of what "happiness" or "success" is to them. If to you it means having a large house or curing AIDS, so be it. That does not mean everyone else in the world thinks th e same way you do.

A better example would be to ask: is every Nobel prize winner of above-average intelligence? Most of the time, YES. there you go. Do you say they are not successful?

You cannot make one statement and apply it to everyone.

Some intelligent people arent successful. Ok. And some unintelligent people ARE successful. What does that mean? Nothing!!!

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Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come.

and you "implied" that i agree that IQ is not a good judgement of intelligence, and I disagree and always will.

alrighty then - everyone is entitled to their own opinion. except you (kidding)

now, we must agree to *disagree*. You think your own little thing, i think mine

did you have to call it "little"?

and i say that intelligence does determine success. just because one case can be sited of an extremely intelligent man that is not successful, i can still disagree.

hmm, and so can I. everyone has their own opinion of success - so I might feel that I am unsuccessful, but am smart - or I could be an idiot and feel that I am wildly successful.
Then a third party could be watching my sorry ass and thinking just the oposite. It is all opinion - there is no "success-o-meter"
That said, your logic in that past statement isn't totally correct. IQ still can't determine success. success is totaly relative, so you can't claim something as influential to its outcome.

every man/woman has a VERY different definition of what "happiness" or "success" is to them. If to you it means having a large house or curing AIDS, so be it. That does not mean everyone else in the world thinks th e same way you do.

exactly! this statement makes sense, the other doesn't - perhaps it isn't worded in the best way - we seem to be in agreement on this statement at least (sorry - I know you wanted to disagree)

A better example would be to ask: is every Nobel prize winner of above-average intelligence? Most of the time, YES. there you go. Do you say they are not successful?

Yes, I would argue that ALL Nobel Prize winners are above average intelligence. and I would still maintain that success is relative, so I can't say whether they are successful or not. in my eyes they are, but that isn't a standard. for all I know the most recent Nodel Prize winner in Chemistry hates himself and sees himself as a failure for never scoring with that cute blonde in his freshman year college math class.

You cannot make one statement and apply it to everyone.

Sure I can! It just isn't likely to be accurate through all instances.

Some intelligent people arent successful. Ok. And some unintelligent people ARE successful. What does that mean? Nothing!!!

uh, actually this right here proves why your first statement is wrong. well done. QED

think of three circles. a red one, a blue one, and a green one. the red one represents successful people. the blue one represents dumb people. the green one represents all the geniuses of the world.
some of the green will overlap the red, but not all of it. some of the blue will overlap the red, but again, not all of it.
the only thing you can prove out of that is that it is impossible to get total overlap, and you will never get an overlap of the blue and green.

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The Downside Of Being Better Than Everyone Else Is That People Tend To Assume You're Pretentious.

i have no argument with your last post

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Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come.

However, I find most of these people
a) are very inept at "figuring" people out
b) don't give a damn about anyone but themselves
c) usually dont have a creative bone in their body
d) have zero spirituality

Mad: I was agreeing with KiniMom! I have met some very smart people who can not relate to other's on any level. They have spent their entire lives being "book smart". They can not deal with people on a social level.

Common sense issues are also null and void. Example: I had a classmate who was beyond smart. This girl was accepted to Harvard Law School. This same girl admitted one day that she had her gas pumped for her because she did not know how to do it. WTF?

Point one.
Most every american would judge success on the accumlation of wealth. I.e money
I would

Point two.
IQ distribuation creats a bell curve when graphed

Point three.
A graph is made of an X axis and Y axis. Put IQ on the X axis going from 0 to 160. Now put salery per year earned at age 50 on the Y axis from 0 to 1 mil.
The graph will sloap upward. As IQ increases wage increases.

Point four.
Wage = money
money = success
Higer IQ = Higher wage
Higer wage = higher success
Higer IQ = Higher success

When you look at the top 2% on the IQ curve. Over 95% of these people make alot of damn cash. These are not numbers I pulled out of my ass.

Here is something even more interesting. Blacks bell curve is shifted to the left on the X axis. In other words their average IQ is lower.

Lower IQ = less money
And we know blacks are the one and only enthic group in america that can not pull them selvs ouf of poverity

Lol burnboy,
To put 120 in prespective, 120 and above is what is needed to earn a law degree.

160 is EXTERMELY rare, so much so, it is not worth talking about

125 is the top 5% of the pop.

I have a friend in Mensa got in when he was twelve very smart, creative, but extremely high strung. And another friend who aced engineering school and has no common sense when it comes to personal stuff.

I have problems at organization and locical thinking. And according to my professor (on team that won nobel physics prize for discovering the heavy particles and possibly on another for nutreuno research) I will get my Ph.D by brute force.

Einstein was reported to have only black suits and when asked why he said he didn't want to waste any energy in deciding what to wear. On a side note he was a womanizer with mistresses on the side.

Lastly these tests are written by other people who decide what is important and what is not. So to me there is no way to truly measure someones intelligence impartially.

Bikinimom, I wish I was there to see you do what you are doing

Everybody wants to be so smart and so successful. Everybody is downplaying this.....yet it strikes at so many of you so deeply....there are some good minds here.

Here's some fuel on the fire. Scrappy I think you may appreciate this:

When I was 6 I was meeting with the chairman of the local high school's math department to discuss math topics. By third grade I was taking math at the junior high (Algebra 1) and before I left elementary school I finished all of my high school math requirements: Algebra, Gemoetry and Trigonometry. I was 10. My peers were collecting "Transformers". I knew what a cosecant was.

I may have been able to get some calculus done by 6th grade too but I skipped from 3rd grade to 5th grade so I lost some time there. :-)

OK....the point here is not that I can do math like "Good will Hunting". I know what my IQ is and I qualify for all these "nerd self esteem building" societies. I couldn't care less. I let my teachers get their panites in a bunch about that shit. (In other academic subjects I am well above average, but it would be pretentious to label myself. I am a math genius though.)

The point is, that by 6th grade, I didn't have any friends. So I stopped. I just fucking stopped. I didn't want to be the kid that goes to other classes...basically I just wanted to be accepted by my peers at that age. But it wasn't happening. My parents would tell me I was blessed to be so excellent at math, but I was so resented by the other kids.

Oddly, I turned to sports. It seemed like those kids were always accepted. I had played soccer since I was little and I was pretty good...but the kids on my club team didn't get along with me either. I was "different". Who knows what their parents were telling them?

I started playing basketball....I kind of enjoyed the fact that you could practice by youself easily....at the driveway hoop....I'd spend hours a day playing...all seasons - rain, whenever. Well, I got good at it. And my social life got better too. I could be "Matt the basketball player" now, which was far more socially accepted.

Ulitmately I got a Division 1 scholarship for basketball. I graduated high school with a good (but not great) GPA and excellent SAT, largely due to that 800 on the math section. (Sorry Dreads, I can't find my score to scan it.)

While at school I got my degree in math (Shocker, huh!) because I knew I could do it no matter how many roadtrips we went on, or how often I went to class hungover.....and as a college athlete I was not only accepted but revered. GPA was meaningless to me. I just wanted acceptance. Despite the endless approaches of the math department, I never was on any of those intercollegiate "math teams" (yes, they have these things), and I never did any extracurricular projects.

After college I was in the Army a few years. Being accepted there has little to do with intelligence. I got out when I was 24, and ONLY THEN did I start to use my mind again. It had been idling for 13 years.

I find myself having the desire and want to know the things of physics and math and space/time but it is like the name that is on the tip of your tongue. You know who it is but you just can't quite get it out. So it is with me, I see it in my mind and in going from there to anywhere else it is lost.

Everyday I wish I had the intellligence to unlock my brain to be able to do physics and math research, but I don't. So I have an itch that I can't scratch and that is as bad as what you describe Matt. Your the lucky one run with it and never stop or look back.

I went to school w/ a kid who was the brainiest kid in the school by far before I went there and when I did he all of a sudden had competition and resented me for it. Though he was smart he couldn't do jack shit at anything else and couldn't handle being wrong or not succeeding, but would shove how smart he was down your throats by saying shit like "I got an A, what did you get?"[but with that snooty attitude] or whatnot. He didn't have too many friends. We predict him to go postal and be shooting people from the top of a bell tower in 10 years.

I always said that if any of my kids were as smart as you that I would not let them graduate any faster than a regular kid. To me it is much more important to have friends than to be smart.

Chesty, I could let you watch....but then I'd have ta kill ya! tee-hee

I agree with you, however, unlike the "internet dick size" phenomenon, slightly more credence can be given here.

At least those who profess to be intelligent have proven their ability to write coherent sentences.

The Bell Curve itself loses credibility when it goes beyond the realm of data collection. Simply as a collection of statistics, it is valid. But when the authors seek to promote their own agenda, its credibility is questionable.

Varnsen/Puc/Wombat,

There are a lot of reasons intelligent people do not move to the forefront of society. Often it is a result of distrust of teachers and adults, because as children, they are so much more intelligent than their "role models", that they become frustrated.

Intelligence requires with it a great deal of emotional maturity. When a truly intelligent person talks to someone else, it may take the other person a while longer to process the data, whereas the intelligent one can assimilate things much more quickly. In order to not be put off by this latency in understanding, the intelligent person must be more emotionally mature than their colleagues. Given their already wary position about most adults, maturity does not always come quickly. (why would they want to be like those they mistrust?)

The bell curve of IQ distribation is proven.

The claims that is brougth about in the book of the bell curve is disputed. I belive them though.

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Simply as a collection of statistics, it is valid.

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I'm not confusing anything. The statistical bell curve is true beyond a doubt.

The conclusions, while not enirely true, are not entirely false. However, the authors often omit evidence if it doesn;t suit their argument.

for example, climaing that Jews have the highest IQs may be true, but they ignore the fatc that the Jewish culture strongly stresses study, reading, education, and that this mental development impacts tested IQ positively.

GREAT. That means we can improve the IQ of people. What a wonderful tool to improve society.

But the fact remains, groups of people and races have lower than average IQ or higher.

Black's aveage at 85.