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 Camaro Z28's are alot faster than Mustang Cobra's
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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So sell that mudstain and buy a real car.    | ||
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Guru 
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i say screw both of them and get a mazda rx-7 twin turbo or a nissan 300zx twin turbo. IMHO. im not a fan of american cars ------------------  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Grizzly F1, it is a car made in japan. I read it in motor trend i think, and it was one fast car for a 48,000 dollar price tag. 0-62 in 3.1 seconds and top speed of 202 mph. [This message has been edited by fistfullofsteel (edited February 06, 2001).] | ||
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Guru
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theres always the mclaren f1, if you have 800,000-1M dollars, it can be yours and you can go 231mph. hope you like sitting in the center of the car too. hehe cool ass car, but it sounds like a 48000 sticker price is much more reasonable to go almost as fast. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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My Firebird will beat all cobras,SS's,vettes,and vipers... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Harmonic, your firebird isnt a match for my Dad's Road Runner  , but firebird still kicks ass... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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but it sounds like a 48000 sticker price is much more reasonable to go almost as fast. [/B][/QUOTE] yep, and it had a nice body like a bmw m3, but with even better design. I looked all over for that damn magazine with that car in it, and i could never find. it was 8 years ago, when i read about it. i also think it had a 9.1 quater mile also or something like that. i clearly remember reading how the writer said that when he floored it, he got thrown back into his seat and it was like being in jet. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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GM is discontinuing production of F-body cars (Camaro and Firebird) after 2002 model year. [This message has been edited by Tom Zenk (edited February 04, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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i like the 300zx those are sweet assed cars | ||
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Freak 
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you wish dread lord, my stang will leave your junked out Z at the starting line. HAHAH!!! j/k, my stang is retired from racing. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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harmonic - hey, I have a Pontiac, too! Mine is a Black Ram Air. What color is your Pontiac? ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Well guess that car I have?? Hint my name. It's a 95 LT1. And yes I've beaten 300ZX before. ------------------ On my word unleash Hell!!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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i have a 1994 rx7 R2. 300zx's are PIGS. if you want a TRUE sportscar, mazda is the way to go. i do love the LS1's though. ------------------  | ||
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Guru
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order a stock GT with 373 gears and for around $5500-7000 you can install and under the hood super charge and heads and smoke the cobra and the Z for about the same cost as the z and less than the cobra. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Fitness, mine is blue.. With an SD 455 bored to a 468.. Just under 500 ponies... | ||
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Moderator
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BigNate, 1.1 million for the McLaren. Nice to see someone who knows what it is. | ||
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Guru
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Matt It's called the "Widowmaker" in my rings. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Matt and Check, when I was in London I went to the McLauren dealership and just stood at the window and drooled. Along with the cool million they also custom fit the seat, steering column and controls so that the car fits you like a glove. If I'm not mistaken, Andre Agassi bought one a few years back and the firewall caught on fire. He got out unharmed but the last I heard he was suing McLauren to try and get his million back. giantset ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
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My Buddy got smoked in his Firebird with the W-6 engine by a new Ford Lightening Truck. The trucks have 320 HP and are 35K. It surprised the Hell out of me to watch the truck pull away after 2nd gear. My Father has a 67 Gt500 Cobra. W/ a 428. he bought it new for $4600 in 67. those were the days | ||
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Freak
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Matt, who the hell DOESNT know what a McLaren is?? And who doesnt want one??? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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if that trans am had an LS1, a stock lightning shouldnt touch it. stock ls1 ram air w/ auto have turned 13.1s at a local track.(the nations primer NHRA track) best ive seen is a 13.8 for a lightning on race gas, IF that even makes a difference. also, i believe the ws6 package is geared towards handling, nothing to do with the motor. if you want an AWESOME stealth package for street use, supra has got to be the way to go. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Hey fellas, What kind of car was that in the movie (Gone in 60 Seconds) the one that was eleanor was it a shelby or something like that. I'm not into the older cars but that car was F****ing AWESOME. Are they really pretty strong cars? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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first off i will admit that i'm a die-hard mustang fan so i will try to be objective about this. yes the z28 will beat the cobra, no doubt. however, the z28 has always been and will always be a less classy ride. the camaro interiors have never been quite as refined and well put together as a mustang interior, plus the exterior just doesn't look as good. it has looked the same since '93(with the exception of the headlights) and it's time for a change or cease production. you don't sit in a camaro, you basically get in and lie down. also the exhaust sounds entirely too much like a truck when you throw some flowmasters or an h-pipe on it. mustangs have always sounded better when their exhaust is modified, with that deep hollow throaty exhaust that doesn't sound like a w.t. huge truck coming down the road. aside from all this, if all you are looking for is speed, the camaro is the one you should get. | ||
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Freak
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I believe the car in 60 seconds was a 1969 Shelby Mustang...Shelby's I believe, are notorious for having boat loads of power but are a bitch to keep on the road. [This message has been edited by kat (edited February 06, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Kat you're correct about the car. It was Shelby. I would take a 69 Camaro SS anyday. I don't agree with the comment that Mustang interior are that much superior. I've have in my Friend 89 GT and I was no impressed at all. I compare to my 89 Formula and I had more power. True ours are lower but they are sweeter. Mustang look like a box. A 2000 Stang can't compare to a 2000 T/A or Formula. I do like the Shelby and Mach 1. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Well, I will put my .02 in..... 12.20's @ 117-118 mph all day long on street tires....1994 Supra TT 6 speed Beaten: countless stangs, vettes, firebirds, ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Imports are garbage, especially supras and mazdas. BTW a Ford f-150 lightning is a bad ass truck. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Supra are very fast out of factory but you have a turbo charger. Shit if I put the juice in mine I'll be running 12's too. Tell you what I put the Supra against GNX and GN will tear you a new ass. Those GNX could get 500hp with simple bolt on's. They'll eat up anything on the road including the Viper. They have gone 11's with simple shit. Man that was a fast car. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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72 chevelle SS w/ a big block, now thats a car | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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my buddy has a cobra R it can blow away any car and does the quater in 13's lets see any camaro touch that,fuck gm makes a grand prix that can go faster than a ss camaro,i think camaros suck thats why they are losing them,back in the day they were good but mustangs will always be better ------------------ "Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity." "In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird, and people take prozac to make it normal." http://pub33.ezboard.com/bburnboy check this board out its just gettin started | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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i'm still going with the grizzly f1 and the writer i think mentioned it would most likely not be street legal in america, but in japan there rules are different. i say fuck it, if you got the money; you can always get around things. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Cameros Z-28 Run mid to high 13s stock ( new ones). Besides 13s is not very fast. Anybody whos has ever been involved in street racing knows there are guys with sub- 12 cars on the streets. Cameros, Mustangs, Vettes, Vw bugs, station wagons you name it. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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i figure for a stock mustang low 13's is good and the new camaros suck because cars they produce that arent muscle cars beat them ------------------ "Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity." "In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird, and people take prozac to make it normal." http://pub33.ezboard.com/bburnboy check this board out its just gettin started | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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How much does the type-r cost?, (im not being a dick I honestly want to know .) | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: dude, you have NO idea what you are talking about. bring a GN to chicago. lemme bring some supras, we'll talk. dont get me wrong i like the GN. but 500hp and 11s is NOTHING for a supra. supra can pull 9.50s and still be street legal, driven daily, and have no weight reduction modifications. im not talking out of my ass either. if you search on the net, its well documented. im sure you can come back and say something like well a GN can run so and so. im talking in terms of complete packages. supra can pull .96Gs on the skid pad BONE STOCK and it can EASILY lay down some awesome times and lay down impressive HP numbers with VERY few mods.also youll be in a beautiful car, not a regal, but sorry supraman im still partial to the rx7. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: you forgot to mention 1.3L rotaries ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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the cobraR is still a 60000 piece of crap. for that kinda money, id take a used GTS, drop a couple bucks into it and run circles around that mustang on any road course. not to mention the dragstrip. oh yeah ill look better doing it too. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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My Mustang use to be really fast about 5 years ago (blown 91 gt vert), now I have a hard time keeping up with nearly stock LS1's. Wouldnt by the f-body's though. Performance, they rule for the price, but I personally don't care for the looks, and neither do most other people. Proof? The Mustang outsells both f-body's combined 3 to 1. But yeah, stock for stock the camaro is faster than a Cobra, not even close to a Cobra R though. Oh yeah, and the guy with the Supra, your cars are FAST!! Raced one on 94 east about 6 months back from an 80 mph roll, guy pulled on me like I was standing still, and my car runs early 13's!!! I shut down at 130 cause my top was down, but by that time, he was at least 6-7 cars ahead. Wonder if it was you? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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I've seen many 93-97 Bird and Z28 run 14 stock. 13.5 with header and a catback. LS1 98+ run in the 13.3-13.1 range. Cobra R 60K and run 13.3 same as the 30K Formula. Piece of shit Ford. For that get a Supra or Vette and be in the 12's. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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krzysiu013, where in chicago are these supras? the fastest I have seen ( daily driven was a bout a 12 second), I am not doubting they are out there but a lot of guys on the street claim 9s but run 12s and 13s. But if you have seen timed run I believe you. I do like Supras and Rx-7s, they are about the only japanese cars that I like. I want to add a Dodge Omin to that 13 sec list. My friends got one of those turbo shelby ones with a few mods-its pretty quick for a economy car. its fun to see the look on the face of the guys in GTs when they get beat by a shitbox! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: sound performance. bloomingdale illinois. home of the worlds quickest street legal supra(no weight mods, 3800lbs with driver, street driven, no trailor full interior and accesories A/C etc etc etc.) SEVERAL of their customers also run 9s most customers run 11s and 12s. for example a customer of theres pulls a 9.80 at the track and he street races it, its never seen a trailor. very soon itll be much faster. they are out there brother. put it this way. ive SEEN a supra run 11.98 with free supra mods intake and full exhaust, THATS IT, stock turbos and everything else. thats an exception. most BPU supras will run rock bottom to mid 12s. (BPU or basic parts upgrade is the list of mods i just mentioned) ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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The SS camaro is the same speed as the Z28. The Z28 unmodded will beat all stangs in the 1/4 mile but R's. The R's are beat in the 1/4 mile by Z28's with 500 bucks of after market parts. The supra's are by far a badass car. I was a die hard vette fan till till I meet a guy who owned a supra. We BS'ed alot. Turns out, the supra is a monster unmoded and moded. Awesome, engine, reliability, etc. I would buy a supra over a vette any day of the week. I would buy a BMW 540i over both. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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z28's seem to have a bad rep. thats not cool, but it maens you win more races i guess because they are bad ass with a few mods if u dotn care about aesthetics ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Damn, I will have to check it, they sound pretty badass, although I am the first to admit I know jack about newer cars or anything turbo. I live in the town right next to bloomingdale,( when I am not at southern for school) where do they run at? Route 66? I heard that they were thinking about closing test and tune night, you heard anything about this? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Well fuck that put a turbo on a Formula or Z28 and see the Supra in the rear mirror. By the Way it has been done and he's running in the low 11's. As far as reliability I would take the Chevy 350 over any 6 banger with a turbo. You could beat the shit out of the 350 and it will still run. Supra is a beast though but I'll still take the 2001 Ram Air. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I hear ya Kryzius...thanks for taking up for the supdawg anyway LOL! POSTED BY FORMULA: "Well fuck that put a turbo on a Formula or Z28 and see the Supra in the rear mirror. By the Way it has been done and he's running in the low 11's. As far as reliability I would take the Chevy 350 over any 6 banger with a turbo. You could beat the shit out of the 350 and it will still run. Supra is a beast though but I'll still take the 2001 Ram Air." Well, fuck put a bigger turbo on the supra and run 8-10 second times on a stock motor like people do every day....in other words there is no validity in your reasoning.....it's not relative! [This message has been edited by supraman (edited February 07, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Oh yeah and that low 12 sec time I was talking about is not an accurate reflection of how fast the Supra is: I raced an 11.40 sec Rustang once from a kick at 90 mph to about 150 mph and pulled it by 2-3 cars. The top end on these cars is unbelievable! BTW I have about $700 in mods over stock(exhaust, downpipe, and air filter) You can't do that with an American V8. Dont get me wrong I like the Stangs, Vettes, and Z's, but like mine better! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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You're right about $700 in mods but then like I said before you have a turbo. I'll put your supra against a GNX and it will spin circles around your supra. Keep your supra cause "There no replacement for Displacment" | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Tell me the truth now...Form...would you rather have a "beautiful" supra that runs 12's(11's with slicks...been done many times) with practically no mods or an ugly ass GN that "might" be a little faster, that has technology paralleled with the Stone Ages? If you say GN you win the discussion and I quit! LOL! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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No doubt a Supra but GNX is a bad Mofo!!! Props to the Supra, Formula's and anyone else running 12's. Peace Bro!!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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ten 4! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I think I would honestly take the GNX, I like the Supra but personally I like the body on the GNX better. Its all a matter of opinion though. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: one cant run at 66, he wont install a cage for street racing purposes. some competed at 66. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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IN CONCLUSION, if its fast i like it. i dont give a shit what it is. hell, ive seen a piece of junk dodge caravan with wood panel sides run low 13s at route 66.wild stuff.... ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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once i get my cougar done i will blow away all these supras and chev products,it has a bored out 454 with performance intake ,im putting performance piston heads in it and 4:10 gears ,as of now the engine is pushing 600 horse when i add the nos it will be pushing upwards of 1000 i havent decided if i should tub it out or not,cant wait till summer it should be done by then,only cost me 800 ------------------ "Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity." "In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird, and people take prozac to make it normal." http://pub33.ezboard.com/bburnboy check this board out its just gettin started | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I assume your talking about a orginal 454 which is a Chevy product (since it only cost $800.) "pushing 600 horse when i add the nos it will be pushing upwards of 1000"- 400 shot of nitrous? that engine better be ready for it or boom boom. And you better tub it too. go here and read the system requirements, (http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/NOS/plates.html) | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: lay off the crack... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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The mustang is such a joke. First of all The "Five piont ohhh" or what I call the five piont slow, is really only 4.9 liters. Now then, Z28's got a bad rap because the 305 was the predominate engine from 82-86, and when the L98 cars came out, people couldn't modify them as easily as mustangs because of the intakes superior design. Might sound contradictory, but it's not. The 21 inch runners of a Stock TPI setup was designed for the air flow requirements of a 305, not a 350. However, it was designed to maximize rear wheel torque from 1700RPM-3800RPM. Did it do this? Well why do you think the G92/1LE 305/5spd cop camaros ran mid 13's out of the factory? It wasn't because of some amazing horsepower, but the motor made it's power so effectively, that by keeping it within it's rather narrow band of power with the T5, you could accelerate faster than others who rev'ed higher. The Ford stock Long runner design is flawed. It's not as effectively tuned for one area of power gain, but for overall power. This may be fine in a camery, but all serious drag cars make massive power in a strict operational range. So, by de-tuning the intake, ford effectively cut power out of the car in certain ranges. However, it could rev a little higher...big deal? The second reason the Z's get a bad rap is because from 87-92 (besides the Firehawks) you could only get an L98 GM product with an auto (that wasn't a vette.) The T5 simply was not up to the task of handling THAT much torque. For this reason, take you stock 93 GT (the last of the Fox body 302's) or a stock 95 GT (the last 302 period), and match it against a stock 92 Z28. The Z will hand both of them their asses with either a full second on the fox body, or 1.3 seconds on the SN95 car. The SLOWEST L98.AUTO the 87 Iroc ran 14.7's, enough to bet the FASTER Fox body (87 LX/5spd) by a tenth of a second in the quarter. Ford revised the cam in years 88, 89, 91,and 92. This weakened the car. Now that only deals with part of the drivetrain. The rear suspension of 82-01 fbodies is VASTLY superior to Ford's. VASTLY!!! The Torque arm alone makes the car a better handler, set aside the massive sway bars, the thick panhard bar, or the WONDERBAR in the IROC'S (like I have). Compare rims and tires...out of the factory in 86 I beleive you could roll a Fbody with Z rated 245/50/R16's on polished aluminum wheels. It took ford what, untill like 91 to get 16's...if that? Even when they did, the tires were still inferior in size and construction. The spring rates of the Stock Fbody allowed for much better track racing than drag racing...both good and bad. Sure the mustang can transfer weight better, but the nose of the more aerodynamic Fbody will be pionted farther down reducing drag. No then, let's look at the current aftermarket for the 302 and a TPI motor. You can get a list of intakes for the Ford motor, true, but how do you decide? GM's aftermarket is MUCH more direct. If you want to keep the car rev'ing low, peaking at about 5k RPM, but still want massive thrust, get large tube runners. If you want it to rev a little higher, but still have a great tuned intake track for a consistant power range, get a SuperRam. If you want to KILL the competition, the 3 inch runner TPIS MiniRam will allow a 406ci small block to rev up to 8100 RPM! When ported, even more. The LT1 was an attempt to revise the small block, and give it a manifold that was untuned in nature. While this was effective, the LS1 goes to prove a turned intake more effective once again. The LT1 had much higher compression ratios than the L98, which is one of the big reasons it preformed better. The second big reason is the T56 you could get with them. The LS1 is a leep forward in advancement. It shares on the bore to bore center distance with the traditional small block, cast out of aluminum, with a DuPont 6/6 composite intake. The runner length is about 14 inches....a super ram's is 13.8 inches - this leads to being able to tune the L98 to the levels of performance and higher of a Ls1. Another reason the Mustang was more popular as a hot rod project was that it was SIMPLE. TPI was complex in 85 when it first came out. It refined itself by 92, but untill then you would get lost in vac. lines and unknown connections. The new Mustang's are simply crap. The 4.6L motor received new heads that are about as 1/2 as good as a stock LS1 head, the intake is still piss poor, and despite is modular construction stop making power at 4800 RPM!!! Lastly, in 93 GM went with a LSA front suspension which is fastly better than the inferior Modified Macpherson front suspension of the Mustang. Let's not talk about interior...go test drive a new GT with a 5spd. Put a drink in the cup holder and TRY to shift into second, or forth, lol. The shifter smashes into your cup and you now have a nicely stained mustang. GO FORD! The last area of debate is the rear axle. The 7.625 inch GM 10 bolt is held with inferior feelings by the majority when compared to the 8.8 inch rear of the Mustang. However, in 89 GM improved the strength of the axles, and it's the same rear end pushing LS1's into the 12's with ease. Want to talk exhaust? Take a few classes in fluid dynamics and you will see why a single pipe will flow better than two pipes. The side wall area of a pipe causes fiction upon traveling air, and you are effectively double this pressure with the second pipe. 1 3 inch pipe flows enough air to support 640HP at 6800 RPM by a five liter engine, while a dual 2.5 inch exhaust can only flow enough air to support approximately 530 HP at 6800 by a five liter engine. Basicly kiddies, the Later Third Generation Fbody is the best HOT ROD project out there now. Why do you think they have become so popular? There are stock bottom end L98's running in the 8's guys, no power adders! The LT1 is an excellent all around performer in the corners and in the straight line, but it is somewhat limited by it's intake. The LS1 is an excellently tuned package, with stock heads flowing nearly 300CFM of air, and fully independant ignition. Basicly, if GM had the T56 back in 87....the Mustang wouldn't be as popular as it is today, because the L98 cars, and particularly the 90-92's with speed density systems would CRUSH the Ford's. Simply by switch from a 700R4 to a T56 will net you a full second gain in an L98 Third Gen. Lastly, style is a personal taste. I like things low, wide, and long. The camaro is low, wide and long. The Mustang is Short, Narrow and High. Hell, sit in a 4th gen and pull up behind an SN95 Mustang...the top of it's rear bumper is nearly above your head! That's just sick. the 2000 Cobra R is a joke as well. It got SMOKED by the ZR1 camaro (forget who it was built by) in the quarter and in handling, then the Cobra busted up it's valve train, lol. They then "Repaired" that and gained more time (cam switch) but still slower than the Camaro. Of course, back in 86, the test mustang 302 threw it's rods when it went up against the Iroc, lol. Ford's suck. Camaro - accelerates better, higher top speed, better laterial acceleration and road handling. Mustang - sells better(lower price tag, not looks dumbass)inferior, economical. This hsould put an end to the debate, and forieng car guys, get a life. Don't drag race, do what your good at...sounding like lawnmowers with rediculously larger rims. Sure they CAN be fast, but you ever replace the seals on a rotary engine? If so, then you know why I'm a Chevy guy, lol. Oh, and as for top speed, the fastest production body car on the planet is a 92 Firebird, moving at a rather slow 324MPH in the salt flats. No foriegn, or otherwise. So you know, the Kill will only pretain to the Pontiac, as GM now has a 5th generation platform for the Camaro. The currect factory will be used to produce GM's new hot rod truck, while the new Fbody platform will be produced someplace in Michigan. However, as soon as the Camaro no longer becomes profitable, they will kill it immediately. The Firebird is doomed, but may come back. Sales are poor more so for the Pontiac than the Chevy. Hopefully that will silence the chattering of you Ford'ers out there. | ||
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Novice 
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See mean one this is why everyone thinks your GOY. Him and his camaro. I have a trans am and a Mazda Mx6. The Mazda I bought for reliablility purposes but my heart will always be with the F-bodys... And I heard the TA is gonna live, the camaro will get killed off. Personally I would rather have them both cut out for a few years and be totally redesigned for more power at an even lower price. It can be done, they gotta bring them back to muscle cars, not luxury cars... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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The myth of me being GOY is old, and somewhat foolish anymore. However, the reason the Camaro nameplate will still be around is because the camaro has seen a rapid pick up in sales over the past 2 years amongst the mid 40's men age group. The Firebird however has not been so lucky. Besides, just because I have a fast camaro means I'm GOY? Come on people, I'm sure that everyone that owns a fast camaro is GOY then, lol. Take care and stay true to the Fbody! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Go Chevy. Got a Z convert. One bad ass car. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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"Just when I think I'm out they drag me back in". True the L98 is a torque monster(I owned an 89 350) but it had a aweful peanut cam. The 3rd gne body's did rattle a lot. You put up any L98 vs 5.0 and the L98 will win ever with the auto. I think Fbodies have a better design. Mustang do sell more car but they sell more V6. If you go V8 vs V8 sales Fbodies have them by like a 2 to 1 ratio. Fuck it Shitstang are just a fucking box. | ||
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Cool Novice
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I WILL PUT MY BUICK GRANDNATIONAL AGAINST ANY OF YOUR JAP-CRAP CARS, AND STANGS! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: hehehe...what does it run? even though you may beat a built jap supercar in the quarter-mile, SLIGHTLY, there still is braking, handling, top-end, over-all engineering, overall drivability, reliability, the list goes on and on...not to mention ive never seen any hotties riding in the passenger seat of a GN. i guess what it comes down to is i can whoop the shit out of a ferrari, but i still want one. you MUST look at the total package of a vehicle. not one is perfect. (i do love the GN though. when im rich and famous ill definitly have one in my stable. they are fun in the quartermile, but i dont like boats too much so another reason to own one is i can take a drive in that thing and still feel like im on water) anything fast is cool with me... ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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this is a custom engine its been bored out and made a 454 thats why im replacing the piston heads and its only 800 because there is a shitload of body work to be done and interior,i also knwo a guy who owns a custom shop who is helping me set up the nos,i will most likely tub it i want 21 inch slicks ------------------ Many things in life will catch your eye, but few will catch your heart. Pursue those "Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity." "In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird, and people take prozac to make it normal." http://pub33.ezboard.com/bburnboy check this board out its just gettin started [This message has been edited by The Canadian Oak (edited February 08, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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So you know the rattling was caused by two things. First, the suspension and bushings used. The real early 4 cyl. Third Gen's didn't rattle to much. THey had the softest suspension of them all. The IROC's, GTA's are the worst rattle boxes. However this is very easily solved. You have to define what you want, performance or quietness? The 84 Corvette pulled a solid G in laterial acceleration out of the factory and rattled worse than ANY third gen! The second cause was the T-tops in most of the cars built. When the chasis was designed GM was going to eliminate T-tops from the option lists. The spaced the subframe mounting possitions based on the structural integrity of the roof. However, with no convertable avaliable, the big guys at GM demanded a T-top option. Yes, I know quite a bit about the 80's pony car wars, lol. GN's are fast, but they will always be limited to the size of the motor and the size of the turbo. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Usually SFC(Sub Frame Connectors) helped with the rattling. I just wanted an LT1 so I bought a 95 M6 Formula with Ttops. Agree about the GNX but it's pretty easy to push 500 ponies out of that thing. | ||
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Cool Novice
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Camaroes for breakfast. Vipers for lunch. And Ferraris for dinner. Supplement stack: Any questions? =) ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Sure, first, since your a Ford guy, your lying about you HP level. All Ford owners do... Anyways, did those other cars know that you were racing them? Let me tell you, I beat the SHIT out of a Countach in my S10....I pulled an entire 3 truck lengths by 2nd gear reving the little 2.5L 4 cylander as high as I could. LOL, basicly, don't say you eat or beat cars, because there is always a faster one out there. It just happens to be the fastest car right now is a GM machine. Also, Mustang's were faster than the Camaro in only 3 years of total production time. I've also already pionted out the design flaws of the Mustang, so please, let's not beat this to death anymore...You won't win. |
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