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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Why do we need: 1) a license to kill animals 2) a license to drive 3) ID to prove we are old enough to drink 4) to write tests to prove we are intelligent enough to receive a university degree But the most important thing of all, HAVING AND RAISING CHILDREN we can do ad nauseum, with no reprecussions, and no license, no test to determine whether or not these people are fit to bring children into the world? [This message has been edited by kat (edited February 01, 2001).]     | ||
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Guru 
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Whats Clark Kent without a telephone booth? ------------------ | ||
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Guru
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super dork | ||
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Guru
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You would'nt happen to be pro-choice, would you? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1484 |
Thicky, Im less prochoice than I am anti-morons....can't stop people from getting pregnant, but in the best interest of the child, there is no reason why they have the right to raise it. Give it to someone who deserves them who cannot have children. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1457 |
WHY THE F*CK IS 'ABBREVIATE' SUCH A LONG WORD?? IF IT'S ILLEGAL TO DRINK AND DRIVE, WHY DO BARS HAVE PARKING LOTS?? WHY DO WE DRIVE ON PARKWAYS, BUT PARK ON DRIVEWAYS?? ------------------ | ||
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Guru
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kat..your jubblies must be gettin' large like mine........license  ------------------ The details of my life are quite inconsequential....Vey well, where do I begin?My father was a relentlessly selfimproving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts for being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we�d make meat helmets. When I was insolent, I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds, pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Wilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum...it�s breathtaking. I suggest you try it. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Kat you are one smart mofoette. I agree with this shyt wholeheartedly. MUCH LOVE BEAUTIFUL ONE !!! ------------------ :::bitch betta have mah money::: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | ||
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Guru
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And why do they put an expiration date on sour cream. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1484 |
Ms Shags...you are ever so correct...completely detracted from my intelligent idea when I can't even friggin spell license properly.......I'm hanging my head in shame...  | ||
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Guru
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kat...no need for shame dearly...that what the edit thang is for .....when your typing something your passionate about, you don't worry about the spelling......plus you can't help it, big jubblies comes with its problems sugar  (see) [This message has been edited by AGENT SHAGWELL (edited February 01, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1484 |
LOL at Shags..I think it has to do more with my stubbly fingers than big jubblies | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 838 |
Thats why Ive always wanted Federal Reproduction Licenses to be proposed and passed by congress. ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
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kat, would I need a license if you and i tried to have children? We could use birth-control. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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Im wit'cha kitty | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1136 |
Anybody who supports reproduction licenses sure as hell better be pro-life as well. Talk about hypocracy. Get on a soap box and engage in diatribe about "telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies," and then tell them they CAN'T have kids... WTF? ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Well, sir Puc doofus, regardless of that fact that I am pro-choice has nothing to do with my solution. I never said women werent allowed to have children..go ahead, breed like pigs, and while they're at it they can add in my allotted 2.5 as well. What I DO SAY is that, the right to BEAR children does not give you the right to RAISE them...read what I said regarding giving children to those who cannot have them who have passed the requisite exams. | ||
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Freak
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So kat, I guess I am not hump material, you did not answer my other post | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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sorry MP5, puc the putz got me all hot under the collar. No, no license in the trying, as long as the requisite birth control is used. The trying is the fun part dear! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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MP5-u have to pay the pimp to get the hoe....where's my money wigga? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1484 |
Ahemmmm Big Buck deary...I think youre having a momentary lapse of reason and forgetting which one is the ho and which one is the pimp | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1437 |
WHOA...sorry ma'am....I won't get out of line again...I just did it so I could get punished ...he, he, he | ||
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Freak
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How much will it cost buck? I think Kat looked like a hottie in her pic I saw. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Well, MP5 I usually charge people big bucks for a big buck like Buck LOL...but for you, my services are non negotiable...I just have to like you....alot ....however, as I am currently indisposed, you shall have to wait for a while cause the boy is still under the 25 age limit. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1136 |
Kat -- you nasty bitch -- why don't we just take the retarded children and have those who failed the "parenthood exam" get the opportunity to raise them. Maybe they'll kill each other and we'll rid the world of those who are unworthy of living in your utopian society. I am not trying to be egalitarian, but for christ's sake, deny parenthood to those who are "unworthy." Are you kidding me? You would be stripping them of an integral part of life. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Well then Puc, why doesnt this nasty bitch send all the children who have been beaten to death, raped by their relatives, burned, lashed, stomped on to your house so you can see first hand the right to raise children? people ahve the right???? what about the right of the child who was not aborted, but brought into this world, who is helpless and suffers more in 2 years than you could ever know in your lifetime. You sir, are the one living in a dream world. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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You are truely clueless. In the majority of instances where people rape, beat, lash, and stomp their children, it is not because they are to ignorant to know better. It is because they are mentally unstable, themselves. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Is someone a bit bitter over the fact that they were, let's say, ADOPTED? Get over it. At least you're not a botched abortion, and you're here. ------------------ It's a carnage Slaughter,Front 242 | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1813 |
I have to side with Kat on this one, stupid people should have zero right to have children, there are already too many people on this planet. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1136 |
On another note: Who decides what is proper parenting, anyway? Whoever writes the exam will be indirectly influencing American politics and culture. They will posess great power. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 246 |
kat - your solution does nothing to improve the gene pool Divide your licenses into Alphas, Betas.... Alphas can breed as much as they want, Betas are more restricted.... let's see what was that movie? Wouldn't want to live there. Anyway, new plagues are about to take care of overpopulation. You can see it coming on the horizon. | ||
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Guru
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So then to my American brethren, should we also license the possesion and use of firearms? I mean there should be a test to determine who is too stupid or mentally unfit to own a weapon right? For that matter lets just license our right to live, breath, shit, fuck, eat, blow our noses, flick our buggers, sleep, etc... ------------------ | ||
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Guru
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So then to my American brethren, should we also license the possesion and use of firearms? I mean there should be a test to determine who is too stupid or mentally unfit to own a weapon right? For that matter lets just license our right to live, breath, shit, fuck, eat, blow our noses, flick our buggers, sleep, etc... ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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oh puc, so therefore we should feel SORRY for these mentally unstable people????? What the fuck???? I do not understand for one minute the rationale in leaving a child with parents who will eventually kill them. Please explain this to me..maybe Im stupid. Ummm...Mutilator...what the fuck does my adoption have to do with this??? I'm not bitter about it, thats for sure. You obviously are misled....I am bitter about the fact that biblethumping jesus freaks who complain about pro-choice people MEANWHILE these are the same biblethumping jesus freaks who want to leave BATTERED CHILDREN WITHTHEIR ABSUERS BECAUSE THE PARENTS ARE MENTALLY UNSTABLE and we should feel SORRY for them. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
I'd like to apply for a license to flick boogers, please. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1457 |
To kat and to all the others who have agreed with this bullsh*t, I have to say that you are living in the wrong country (if you're in America). I agree with chesty in that when we start to regulate "who's worthy," we start down a path that leads inevitably to an attempt to get rid of those who are not "worthy," which reminds me of a little goal of a guy names Hitler, that took place just a few decades ago... This has got to be one of the stupidest, most ignorant, uneducated threads I have EVER read on this board... Does this type of thinking make you a "fit" future parent, I hope not! Can you imagine how your children would grow up if they heard their parents discussing who's "worthy," who's deserving of individual rights...MY GOD, find a time machine and go back to Nazi Germany, I think they considered certain people "unworthy" of something...LIFE!! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Great, then we can all sit on our self-righteous American asses and say how free we are.....just as free as the little boy who had a boot imprint in his skull where his free American father bashed it in. WAs that little boy a free North American? Congratulations to us all. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 99 |
My attempt at senseless humour was not successful. Oh, well. Give me a break, Kat, I'm just a lurker , and yes I AM misled precisely because of it. ------------------ It's a carnage Slaughter,Front 242 | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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No kat, actually, the reason I mentioned that is because those mentally unstable people will be able to pass your parenting exam and still rape, mame, and otherwise torture innocent children. You misunderstood my point. Puc ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I will allow you that point Puc, but if we cannot deny then the right to have children, nor the right to raise them, why oh why do we send them back to their families when they have been hospitalized due to obvious abuse? Would you not agree that their rights are null and void after that? We take away a drunk drivers license because they are a threat to the community, but an abusive parent can continue abuse until death? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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I understand both sides to this arguement and there will never be a solution. You just can't be so extreme and demand that people be required a license for something like that, I also understand this is a very passionate issue for some people, but the number of abused children is not so great as to require such a drastic measdure. Other reforms could be introduced to schools for instance that could make the school a haven for a child , and if that child is abused, he should be able to talk to someone and get help for that. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Any parent who is guilty of abuse to their child should never be allowed to care for that child or any other. They should be in an assylum. Puc | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Well, at least we partially agree on something puc! LOL.. Cool pic on your sig..who is that? | ||
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Guru
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puc...I miss the peguin pic ...tear...tear... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 316 |
Their is something in this world that money cant buy --and thats the right to have children---85% of kids brought into this country are done because of a selfishness of people. Most have voids in their life and think a child will fill it. Alot are done by accident- Others get up in age and then say to themselves, I better do it quick before its to late. Some feel that they have to keep their name going so that is a reason--Others do it young and say to people, I still want to be young while my kids are young--Hell I know people that have had kids just to keep up with a friend that just had one! Physical abuse is only one form of abuse---Most abuse is not seen by others-----And that is the abuse thats really hurting this nation! When you look at how alot of people are being brought up in this country or world for that matter--It just makes you think that if their is a hell, that we may just be living in it! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I had someone tell me once that I was an un-fit mother . They thought I should be staying home to raise my child rather than have my folks take care of her while I worked. I was working fulltime at that point in my life, 1 year ago I cut back on my work schedule. Last week, not far from my hometown, a 19 year old "dad" killed his 9 month old son. He could not tolerate the child's crying!I pray that the inmates take care of him in jail and NO ONE HEARS HIS CRIES! The innocent always suffer...Sad but true!
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Was that the incident in Buffalo? If so, we heard about it here. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 113 |
No, I live in Ohio, near Toledo. | ||
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Novice 
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Kat- Do you want to be like the Chinese and limit the number of children one can have? How do you propose we control the procreation? Though it might be boring, life would go on without drinking, driving, or killing animals. How about life without procreation? Not only would life be _very_ boring, the population would quite obviously not survive. And don't say, "I just don't want ignorant, poor, or struggling people to not have kids." What if the very earliest of our specieds had felt the same way? Should we have credit checks and a review of a personal financial statement before we are allowed to have sex? Maybe an I.Q. test? Sure, bad people drink, drive, kill animals, and even have kids. But let's try to influence things in our control. Who makes up the board that issues liscenses for kids? Say you don't want to pay increased amounts of taxes for welfare. But don't say you have the right to determine who has kids. Look up the background of Beethoven and his deaf, sick, and quite numerous siblings, and the conditions under which he grew up. Would you have recommended to his mother not to conceive? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Darren, YOU forgot to add something on the Chinese and their laws for those who go over quota....THEY PUT INNOCENT girl babies into vile orphanges since boy babies are more "valuable" to their culture!There is ALWAYS a price to be paid- NOTHING IS THAT SIMPLE! DO NOT GT ME STARTED on that shit! I know all about it. I have two very close friends who have adopted from China and I could tell you horror stories! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Good points Kat! I don't have children, yet, but very good points you made! ------------------ | ||
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Novice
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Ok, I'm not sure if you understand me or not. I am quite clearly _against_ these quotas. Please go back and read my original post and quote back any thing that you found that advocated _any_ Chinese policy/custom/tradition/law. I was simply using absurdity in one country's practices to illustrate the absurdity in some of the viewpoints expressed on this board. Again, I challenge you to find something I wrote that supported the way the Chinese handle any matters, let alone their laws and quotas regarding children. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Darren,I was NOT bringing a challenge to you..I just wanted to bring up that point...NOTHING IS SIMPLE OR CLEAR CUT! I can agree with Kat's frustration on this issue as well. Being a good parent is THE toughest job in the world! I only wish that there were as many of us good parents as there are bad! THE INNOCENT SUFFER IN THIS HARSH WORLD-PLAIN AND SIMPLE! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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it's bikinimom!!!!!!!! Puc ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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THATS BM??? Gaddamn! Anyway...to the issue at hand...I do not recall saying poor people should not have children. I know quite a few poor uneducated people who made excellent parents..my own grandparents being a good example. Social status and wealth has no bearing on parenthood. I know some awfully rich people who were monsters as parents. The things I have heard out of parents's mouths that they consider to be perfectly acceptable parenting is atrocious and when you call them out on it they have the gall to defend themselves....I know a lady whos daughter broke her arm and this lady DID NOT BELIEVE her and proceed to rough this little girl about to try and stop her from crying. Her husband finally appeared wondering what the noise was about and incredulously asked his wife how this kid got a broken arm. The kid broke it legitimately, but the mother refused to beleive her because she was a "problem"....the true irony of this story is , when it was told at work the other mothers had the gall to commismerate with this stupid bitch. Personally, shes lucky I didnt rip her throat out. This is not a poor person...your average, middle class brick home owning parent with 2 incomes. | ||
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Guru
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First, Kat, while I respect your beliefs and passions in this matter, it is hard for you to understand what is to be a parent without being one. You should watch the movie Gattica, (pretty dry, but exactly about your suggestion) How do we determine who will be a good parent and who will not? Genetic testing for predisposed genes to hurt children? No matter how much testing and stuff we do there will always be child abuse. 85% of people have children for selfish reasons? Where is your proof? Of course people have children for selfish reasons. They love kids, they want kids of there own, of course they would like to see their name carried on, etc. Wake up world, having kids is not a privelidge it is a right. A right that should not be regulated in the least way. I agree it is tuff to remove kids from an abusive environment permanently, but those same laws that make it tough also protect those who are not abusive. We have to accept the bad with the good, that does not mean we like the bad. We strive to find solutions that will solve the problem without sacrificing freedom's. Until recently, if a chinese family had a daughter she would be killed because she was considered to be of less value than a male child. Kat, I have the feeling that you would make a great parent, but that you are afraid to find out. Every post you tell us how much you hate little babies and never want them. Why? I see nothing wrong with that position, but you seem to use the problems of others to justify your desire to not have kids. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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i agree with kat's point 100%, but also agree that the government cannot be trusted to regulate such an issue. people having kids that have no business having them is the single biggest problem in the US, bar none. the damage caused by one bad parent can last for generations. | ||
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Guru
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How do you determine who will be a bad parent? ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Believe me chesty, 10 mintues around a screaming kid and Im ready to put their head through a wall....I have an absolutely foul temper. Hence the reason why I know I am not a suitable candidate for a parent. I also know I am partially this way because that was what I grew up with. HOWEVER, as a reasonable adult I see the need to protect those unable to protect themselves even though I cant stand to be around them either.....wanna get Freudian? I am not going to deny the validity of your arguement chesty because that is the arguement currently used. However, I dont have to think its right and I dont have to like it and I will forever decry it.....and as mcuh as I can understand the desire to make a kid mincemeat doesnt make it right. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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my definition of a bad parent would be any parent that causes psycological and/or physical trauma to a child. the kind that will last with them for the rest of their lives. i'm not talking about kids bitching they were grounded, but more like brainwashings, true beatings, neglect, etc. IMO, the child's concerns should always come first, regardless of the sacrifices you have to make. the adult was already priviledged with an upbringing (hopefully a good one), the child has not. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 113 |
Kat, I suspect DEEP down you would be a good parent. It's a tough job...BUT IT'S THE MOST rewarding as well! THERE is nothing like when my child comes to me and grabs me and tells me she loves me! I have a bad temper as well~but you learn to walk away if things get to you. The thing most people DO NOT understand is that they can let a baby cry...CRYING IS GOOD! Builds strongs lungs! YOU JUST HAVE TO WALK AWAY- then deal with it when you are calm! | ||
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Guru
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I am not talking about after you become a parent, but before, the whole point to this thread was to prevent those "unqualified" from becoming a parent. So how do you decide that. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Yes chesty is right this time (uf i thought i would never read something intelligent from him)... Is it better to take the children off good parents or to mantain children with bad parents... The errors can be commited... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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chesty, i agree with that. like i said, the government cannot be trusted on something like this. it would be like the war on drugs. of course i don't want everyone to be addicted, but trying to stop it is pointless, and corruption comes in (pharmaceutical industry & the FDA). just hope the ones who aren't qualified will realize it and resort to birth control, abortion, and adoption. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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d1374..you and chesty say it how it is.. | ||
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Novice
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Kat- maybe you should run for political office because I honestly don't see anyone who currently is in a position to potentially be in power fighting for your cause. Let's say you could, with accuracy, determine who would be a good vs. bad parent. Is it always the parents who abuse/neglect/corrupt children. Could it not be relatives of the parent, friends of the parent, or friends of the child that cause problems in a childs life? It sounds like you may be afraid to take on the risks that parenting involve. There are too many downsides/ worst case scenarios to make any upside/reward worth it. If so, let that be your choice. Maybe the solution is to sterilize the entire world. From that point on there will never be another abused child. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I wish dude....I'm not smart enough or a good enough liar to be in politcs...Im just a dumb musician and a girl to boot | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 388 |
I think Kat has a good idea. Anyone living in a civilized country has to put up with controls on everything you do. You need to be a certain age to drink, a certain age to drive, and yes - a certain age to fuck (18 in most states). These things are all personal freedoms and none of you seem to mind. Why then is having control over reproduction so different. With drinking you are you are only affecting yourself. Having kids affects a lot of people, not just the parents and the kid. Also, its not legal to take life without cause, why should you have the right to create it. The unfortunate truth is the people that are too ingnorant to raise children correctly, are too ignorant to know better. Maybe all of the smart folks should make a point to tell them. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Most people are not qualified to have children. After all if they do, the kids are going to be pissed off when they see the raw deal this world is going to give them. Pollution, water being screwed up, global warming and on and on.... I sometimes wish I was never born. Maybe some day I will check out before my time as I do not enjoy this world very much, it sucks | ||
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Guru
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I wonder who was providing parenting training 1000 years ago? Parenting is not something that can be taught. It is something that is learned and is unique to each individual family. There are certain things that are common, but for the most part what works in one family will not work in another. In short parenting cannot be taught. But it can be learned. Some are better at it than others, but in the end we survive. On child abuse, for example. If I spank my kid because he back mouths me (disrespects me) am I a child abuser? Or with the same scenario I put my kid in timeout for twenty minutes is that child abuse? Some would say say some will say no. Child abuse I believe goes beyond the corporal punishment that we parents may dole out for our kids. Since society has gotten on this kick about child abuse being even so much as giving your kid timeout for more than a few moments, our children have gone downhill and society as well. Look around you, everywhere you will see 12 year olds telling adults to fuck off and worse. I wonder why? ------------------ | ||
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Novice
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coming from someone who is unhappy whenever i am near my parents, i know they would have passed whatever test you would wnat yet they are so unfit to raise children it disguts me. I know i would fail misrablly because i am depressed but because of what i have gone through growing up i would be the most loving parent. tests mean shit. anyone can bs their way through something and tell people what they want to hear. you obviously have not had many life expeirenes with parents and the relationship with their chidren. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1136 |
mmmm.... girlscout cookies... Puc | ||
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Guru
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If your talking to me, I have had five kids, 3 girls and two boys, so I am more than qualified to speak on the subject. If you are referring to the topic of this post, it is a matter of opinion. Some tests you could bs through others no way. You would be surprised to know how much your parents really care about you. Did you ever wonder if they thought that you were a little turd. Hell we put our parent through some horrific shit while we grow up. I know I did, hell half the neighborhood thought I was possessed by the devil. ------------------ | ||
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Novice
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i just think the whole idea of the test is stupid. my parents put me through shit nnot because they but because they are ingnorant drunks. | ||
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Guru
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I would suggest then that you talk to the authorities and or your relatives and see if you can't get something done. Just cause they are your parents does not mean you have to put up with stupidity. And yes testing is stupid, because being a parent is the most abstract thing in the world and how do you test for that? ------------------ |
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posted February 01, 2001 11:34 AM
