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Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 252 |
This drunken so-called president is aready starting to ruin American schools. We will be probably be equal to some third world country by the time his four years (and trust me it will only be four) is up. | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 463 |
Ruin? (The following is not a flame). When was the last time YOU'VE been to school? Unless you are an adult who has no children OR are a teacher in a public school, then you cannot possibly understand how pathetic public education is. I just finished public high school (thank God), and, with the exception of a few classes, the teaching ability of the instructors was PATHETIC, even in my advanced placement classes. My school was the best public school in the county, and if I had children, I would not send them there. What's wrong with American public schools today? Security "This druken so-called president is already starting to ruin American schools." Typical liberal commentary. Please back up your childish insults next time with some evidence or first hand experience. Oh, and by the way, he isn't the "so-called president" - he is the president. Check the following link if you don't believe me: http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/20/inaugural.wrap/index.html =) -Warik ------------------ BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!!! [This message has been edited by Warik (edited January 23, 2001).] | ||
Moderator Posts: 2434 |
what did he do? Give me a link. The only way to fix schools is to privatize all of them. As long as there is government money (other people's money), schools will be at BEST average. | ||
Guru Posts: 2486 |
Wannabe, your real close. pack your shit and go to canada for four years if you don't like it here. | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 27 |
Don�t let that guy explore oil in Alaska!!! | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 242 |
I'll be the first to bash our buffoon president. However, since that jackass is my president I will show him a little respect. I'm not really clear as to what's up with this school vouchers thing, but if it helps then I'm all for it. Because internationally we don't compete with any developed country in terms of schooling. | ||
Moderator Posts: 2434 |
From what I have read, he has put forth an education plan that will actually create teacher accountability. Teachers haet that. Also, failing schools will have several years to "get it together" or face revocation of federal funds and issuance of vouchers to parents of children from failing schools. In theory, anyway, this will eliminate failing schools. His plan has met with considerable bi-partisan support. At least there is a plan. | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 1133 |
dont come here our education is a joke well atleast my screwy province,all our schools have been cut back and supplies for everything are cut back 2 mill | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 345 |
I have to agree that Bush will serve only 4 years. I am glad it is going to be this way, (factually based) because his old man only got 4 years. It runs in the family. I did not vote for either of them, Gore or Bush. Nader myself, as he has never screwed the American people. Hope for a better president next time, or least canidates that are more interesting and know their shit. | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 242 |
I feel the nation got screwed by having to choose between Gore and Bush. They both suck. If Sen. John McCain could have been the republican candidate you'd see that a lot of democrat voters would have voted for him. He's a moderate, so he's pro choice and he's not in the back pocket of the religous right plus he was a POW in Vietnam and refuesed to be released early until his other fellow prisoners were released. Now that's a real man. Too bad he didn't have as much money to spend as bush when he was campaiging. | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 55 |
I have 2 kids and I think the accountability being placed on shools systems is great. I am all for vouchers giving me a portion of my tax dollars to send my children to the school of my choice. I really do not understand some people making ignorant remarks about this decision. | ||
Freak Posts: 1512 |
WannaBeBig--what the hell are you talking about???? Rod Paige is the Secretary of Education, formaly of HISD, my mother worked with him, and has nothing but fantastic things to say about him, he completely rebuilt HISD(Houston Independant School District) He fired all teachers and principles that were doing a half assed job and kept firing until he found reliable people to perform the job. Hopefully he will do this with the rest of America cause he was the only superintendant in Houston's history who improved the school system greatly. I have high hopes for America's schools Do you know anything about your opinion or are you just pissed off that Gore didn't win??? ------------------ | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 252 |
Aw, stop your fuckin whinnin! | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 172 |
whatever wannabe.... he has only been in office a couple of days... hey did you know clinton finally said he did lie and addmitted he had sexual relations with monica.. guess who gave him amnesty.. ------------------ | ||
Guru Posts: 2783 |
I don't think privatization is the answer. Look at George W. himself he is a product of private schools and without a doubt the best educational institutions in America. He is without a doubt a moronic idiot, a man who uses the word "STRATEGERY". I think we can all agree that he is a best....SLOW!!! Yeah I know your going to say. He became President. Yes, thanks mainly to his father. Thanks in large part to the 35 million his father helped generate for his campaign. He beat Al Gore didn't he? Yeah and so could I... Al has no common sense and believes himself a Genius, the worst kind of asshole there is. The heart of the problem is our educational system is designed to service the main stream nuclear family of the 1950 � 1960�s America. This basic family unit is without a doubt undertaken a huge transformation in the past 40 years. The first wave was the latch key kids with mothers going to work, the next wave was the divorce generation with children moving around a lot. Next came the generation of disenfranchised kids who are so disconnected from the �American Dream� that is still crammed down their throats by the educational system they have rebelled with violence. Why try to work for something better when that is what Mom and Dad did and they are miserable and hate each other and everything. Our educational, support systems are woefully lacking in people skilled to handle these issues of modern life and should our system be set up. What�s the solution, how about programs for at risk children? This is what the privatized institutions would have to do and in order for them to succeed and meet any criteria set forth by any form of review organization. ------------------ | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 191 |
All I know is he "Reformed" Texas education and we're still near last in the country. | ||
Moderator Posts: 2434 |
Wodin, Excellent point about the schools being tailored to a no longer existing (in many places) family unit. Yes, Bush is a product of private schools, but pointing out that he appears not to be a man of superb intellect is not really a valid criticism. If he had gone to public schools, would he be even less articulate, or less well-educated? Probably. Not every product of private schools will be a supremely educated person. The never ending supply of government funding has created an environment of no accountability among teahcers and administrators. Forcing that by withholding federal funds may not be the cure-all. The system is too flawed for a quick-fix. But it without a doubt a step in the right direction. On a personal note, I've gone to public school, a local private school, even a New England boarding school. Long Island public schools are among the nation's best. But I can tell you without a doubt that the private schools were far superior. Their mandate was simple - if I don't do well, I won't come back. So the teachers actually were active nbot only in the classroom, but after school with activities.... Public/private are two different worlds. Let's show them to each other and see what happens. | ||
Moderator Posts: 1503 |
Let's see how great this voucher plan is when good, rural public schools are overrun with not so bright, urban kids. Is it fair for someone from one school to have his learning experience ruined because the teacher has to re-teach all the work to some kids because they weren't properly taught at their old school? If you pay less in taxes will you be able to go to a school in which homeowners of that community pay higher taxes? This will get really inetresting the first time there's a school shooting involving a kid with a voucher. I grew up in a middle class white town. If someone from the next town over even walked through our town there'd be a fight. My town was nothing compared to half the towns in America and we still had a "bad-ass" mentality. Mixing kids from difefrent schools together is not a bright idea. Why not fix the bad schools instead of abandoning them? ::OK, come and flame me now:: | ||
Guru Posts: 4409 |
The one thing that Bush and others have missed is that all the money in the world cannot make a kid learn, period. The old saying, You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink apply's here. The single most important factor in a childs ability to learn is the participation of his parents. Parents that help them, and make them do there homework, that offer them more things to learn than just what is at school. In my new neighborhood I believe the school there is probably one of the best in the state private or public. It is public. My 9 year old is attending an after school algebra class for 4 weeks. How many parents would have their child do this? Money will help with the technology issues in school and the supply problems, but beyond that it cannot help. A true teacher, one that cares about her/his students will teach because they care not because of their salary. Yes, they should be paid more, but also held to higher standards. Too many schools have fallen victim to the politically correct system that teaches kids how to rebel against authority figures (but that is another chapter) ------------------ Strength and Honor The frost, sometimes it makes the blade stick. | ||
Moderator Posts: 2434 |
Mr H That's a valid point. As a personal example, Long Island residents pay the highest property taxes in the country, and we have the highest paid teachers in the country. The schools are excellent. So understandably, there will be considerable resistance when city kids (read: minorities) start showing up in these all white, wealthy neighborhoods. Fixing bad schools sounds good in theory but it is almost unworkable. When Bush (or any politician) talks about bad schools, they generally mean city schools. One of the principal (but hardest to remedy) problems with city schools is parental non-involvement. The funding for city schools, therefore, can easily be misappropriated, because no one notices. (Parents don't care, so who will?) NY city school baord corruption is so widespread as to be expected. So giving them more moeny ("fixing" them) is not really a solution. There will be no marked increase in money spent on children. But withholding funds will get people going. |
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