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Latimer

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posted January 12, 2001 03:30 AM

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What exactly do you guys do at your jobs? The reason I ask is because I'm pursuing my CCNA and have plans to get my MCSE and then CCNP after this. I'm also interested in what ceritifications you guys hold and/or college degrees. It's my understanding that JohnnyO has his MCSE and CCNA and is involved in sales and tech support over the phone and that Matt is a Network Administrator with a CCNP. If you guys could share some information about this, I'd really appreciate it. I can understand if you guys don't want to talk about this on a public forum. If that's the case I can post my email address if you're willing to talk. Sorry if I'm intruding but I'm just trying to get a feel for the industry and get some inside info from those already involved in the field.


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JohnnyO

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posted January 12, 2001 03:44 AM

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hehe... I'm a CCNP bitch!

I do tech support for Cisco... network administrators call me on the phone and complain that this or that doesn't work. And I fix it.


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Latimer

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posted January 12, 2001 03:56 AM

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Sorry JohnnyO, for some reason I was thinking you just had the CCNA. Your're Microsoft certified too, no? I'm assuming you are since you teach the classes. How's the money in the tech support? How hard do you think it will be for me to obtain my MSCE after I'm CCNA certified. I understand it's different but I'm assuming the TCP/IP exam would be fairly easy after I have my CCNA, and I've heard that's the hardest exam for the MSCE path. Did you go through the stepping stones and get your CCNA first or go straight for the CCNP? Do you hold any other certs or degrees? Sorry to bombard you with questions but I figured I'd ask those that have already been there and done that. That more info you can provide the better.


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HappyScrappy

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posted January 12, 2001 08:53 AM

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I'm not either of the guys that you asked - but I'm MCSE and it was easy as hell. I had to get it when I was a consultant - the place I was at could charge more if everyone was MCSE.
I've heard people saying that just recently it has started getting harder - good luck with it! luckily I don't need to bother with it anymore since I'm just a programmer and most of the places I'm likely to go to don't care (I'm not at the consulting firm anymore - at a start up now).

One of my friends got his PhD in Physics from CalTech and he is the smartest guy I've ever met. He took all the MCSE and the programming ones... what are those - I forget - anyway, went in really early and stayed until they closed taking tests - he got perfects scores on every test except one.
makes me sick - and I know for a fact that he only studied one night for them.

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posted January 12, 2001 09:53 AM

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I am MCSE, MCSD, and OCP. OCP is by far the most valueable to me at this point. I got all my certifications at my previous employer Georgia Pacific while I was working as an accounting assistant. Let the company pay for it and then I quit the bitch.


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JohnnyO

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posted January 12, 2001 10:26 AM

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This is the path I took to get where I am.

CNA CNE MCP MCSE A+ CCNA CCNP .. I hope to have my CCIE this year.

I kept everything updated except the CNA/CNE and the A+. Tech support ranges from 100K a year to $7 a hour, depending on what you are actually supporting .. its a boring job, but for me the benefits, and the opportunity to learn was just too great to pass up.


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posted January 12, 2001 12:47 PM

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You guys with CCNA + did you go to college?
I'm doing network administration right now and going for cisco certification, but wondering if i should bother going for a degree? I learn 100x more at work than school could ever teach.


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posted January 12, 2001 12:51 PM

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Yeah I went to college... FOR MUSIC! I can play a mean piano.


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HappyScrappy

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posted January 12, 2001 12:52 PM

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I went to college and was an art major - now I make $75K+ in the computer industry - you figure it out.

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posted January 12, 2001 12:55 PM

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Yeah What i'm getting at is, I don't see a real good reason to go if I know exactly what I want to do, and am even doing it now.
But i'm 20 years old and it feels strange to not be in school when all my friends are.
I do'nt wanna pay for something as expensive as college unless it's truly gonna benifit me...


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HappyScrappy

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posted January 12, 2001 12:59 PM

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I should back it up by adding that I went to one of the top schools in the country and learned far more than what was just in the classes - college is a good expereience if nothing more than the social learning and connections you will make.
if you have the brains and the money, go - it will help you later in life in more ways than you think.

what I was trying to get at was that you don't necessarily need to go and study at school whatever it is that you want to go into - unless you want to be a doctor or lawyer - they are kind of picky about going to school for that

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posted January 12, 2001 01:30 PM

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The MCSE for Windows 2000 doesn't have a single TCP/IP test anymore, only the MCSE for NT 4.0 which is going to retire so its useless, any of the certs are good depending on what you want to do. You need to decide what you want to support End-Users<boring, LANS<boring, WANS<that's the shit!!!!

JohnnyO when you taking your LAB test?
Hopefully you have some inside help. LOL

Thats a hard test to take and pass, failed it once 2 years ago, haven't had a need to go back for it, but think I will this year.


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Jay2

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posted January 12, 2001 02:00 PM

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gotbig?:
To elaborate on what HappyScrappy said (and I do no mean to take this thread on a long tangent not directy related to the original question):
College is not a trade school, but it's being seen as that more and more: a place to learn what you need to get a good job, especially in this age when young people CAN get high-paying jobs very early (and that is a very recent thing).

If you don't care about reading good books, don't want to learn about a foreign language, have no curiosity about history or science, and don't want to learn how to learn, to stretch your mind in new directions in an intellectually rich atmosphere, mentored by fascinating men and women who study their fields for love, not money, then don't go to college! If you DO, then it is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunty for the above experiences.

I taught French in college for many years, and the last place these kids wanted to be was in a class where they were actually learning something new that had nothing to do with their major leading to business, law, or medical school. I'm sure it's worse now in this anti-intellectual and materialistic culture.

Especially when you're young, follow your bliss, not $$. Study what you love. The good job and money will come later, I promise. Most people who are now professionally successful started out as art majors, or musicians, or French majors like myself. The intellectual journey I got getting a graduate degree in French literature was just amazong and has spiritually grounded me in ways that I cannot begin to explain. I think more and more people are missing that stage now.


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HappyScrappy

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posted January 12, 2001 02:19 PM

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Here Here Jay2!
you just described why liberal arts is a good education (if you go to a good school)!

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supersizeme

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posted January 12, 2001 02:23 PM

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i am a unix ninja. i am hiding in the shadows of your data center at this very moment. i will reboot all your servers in two keystrokes.


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May1010

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posted January 12, 2001 02:26 PM

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Jay2 is right! You get a lot more out of college than just a degree that will help you to get a job.

Jay - you speak French? cool. Know the dirty words too? You're my muscle daddy!


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Jay2

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posted January 12, 2001 03:01 PM

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May:

Yes, fluently, mon petit chou-chou.

I am multitalented, and not just another drop-dead-gorgeous hunk.


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MattTheSkywalker

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posted January 12, 2001 03:45 PM

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Latimer,

I am actually a consultant...not an administrator. But I have qualifications you might see for an administrator. I generaly assist administrators who are having problems with their hardware...administrators are often familiar with their own systems, but unsure of how to integrate new products into it.

I got my A+ and CNA first. CNA = Certified Novell Associate. Both of those tests were easy. A+ tests your knowledge of computer hardware as well as DOS/Windows...older stuff. I think they are updating it this yar to include windows 98.

I also have an MCSE for NT 4.0. It wasn't that hard to get, although I have heard that the MCSE for Windows 2000 is harder. I did some consulting as an MCSE, and especially Microsoft Exchange 5.5

I have a CCNP as well. It was pretty tough to get...more than being difficult, it requires diligence in reading and practicing. You MUST have the CCNA already to get your CCNP. But there are no prerequisites for the CCIE - the highest Cisco certification.

Having an MCSE already made the transition to Cisco easier. The CCNA course generally requires at least a decent understanding of TCP/IP, and as you move along you need to know it very well.

I also have a degree in mathematics. Math - at higher levels - is really just logic: understanding a process, and applying it to specific problems. Networking is kind of the same thing, so my mind works well that way.

I like this field. There are many good things to say about it...pay is good, opportunites exist...really can't complain...especially when i see how much my friends from school are struggling.

I, like Johnny, am preparing myself to take the CCIE lab exam by the end of the year, and in addition to consulting, I am an assistant instructor at a school in my area, because they have an excellent Cisco lab.

Stick with it. Devote a year of your life to getting very good at this stuff. You won't regret it.



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Latimer

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posted January 12, 2001 07:32 PM

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Thanks for the informative replies everybody.


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