Now don't get me wrong, I do not have a "holier than thou" attitude, but I am serious about being in shape and bodybuilding. Don't remember the last time I drank. I hate to miss a workout, and I never do rec. drugs. I watch what I eat, drink atleast a gallon of water a day, and take protein supplements. I was just wondering who else is really into it. Even with all this my gains come slowly, I cannot imagine how it would be if I tore my body down all weekend too.

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I lift on Mon - Fri, and usually just do cardio or rest on the weekend.

I have found as I get older lifting is becoming more and more of a priority to me. I don't honestly care what people do, but I really do question how some people stumbled upon a lifting site and don't even really lift.

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I work out. I'm natural for now but that will most likely change because I am a very imatient person and am sick of my skinny arms.

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Originally posted by Checkmatebloated:
Go look at my photo. I am far from a beginner. It was posted by special_bill under the name checkspics.

I do know what you are saying though.

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I tried to see them but they aren't in the archives....

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maybe there's a cut between the devoted and the neophyte that i just don't make.

Having said that (mom thing, couldn't help myself)...Sailor Girl, you are 17 correct?
I'm not trying to preach or anything, but A/S IS NOT MAGIC. I mean how big do you want to get?

Not that I'm your mother or anything, but unless you intend to compete, why would you even consider A/S? You are young and have a good metabolism (it would seem), you've not had your body ravaged by time or childbearing, what is it would make you even remotely consider A/S?

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Originally posted by bikinimom:
Personally, you can all drink and smoke (just not in the same room w/me, thank you) and do recreational drugs till your heads explode...just DO NOT get behind the wheel of a car - that might be my husband that you paralyze.

Having said that (mom thing, couldn't help myself)...Sailor Girl, you are 17 correct?
I'm not trying to preach or anything, but A/S IS NOT MAGIC. I mean how big do you want to get?

Not that I'm your mother or anything, but unless you intend to compete, why would you even consider A/S? You are young and have a good metabolism (it would seem), you've not had your body ravaged by time or childbearing, what is it would make you even remotely consider A/S?

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Mommy...I agree with you about the age thing but, being that you are into fitness obviously, I find it hard to believe that you would question as to why Sailor Girl would want to consider hormones. I mean its pretty simple right...To look better, To feel better about herself, etc. What does competing have to do with anything?? I guess that us "non-competitors" are not supposed to succumb to the EXACT same temptations as you stage posers right? I dont get where your coming from at all?? So you believe that hormones should not be used for cosmetic purposes obviously, yet you have done the whole plastic surgery thing plenty of times, which carries just as many risks. Is this an anti-drug speach or what??

First off, Sailor Girl and I are two completely different people. I neither condone nor condemn A/S use. I believe that education is paramount REGARDLESS of what we do.

I know that you will find this difficult to believe but the woman depicted in the photo in my sig (or ANY photo in my sig)DID NOT use A/S (Yes, that is me). It was not necessary in order for me to achieve that look. If I could've achieved the physical result WITHOUT COSMETIC SURGERY I WOULD HAVE.

All that I am trying to say is that if Sailor Girl (or anyone else for that matter) has not put the time and effort into training, eating, resting, etc A/S is NOT A MAGIC BULLET that will give her the physique that she desires simply because she ingests it.

The reason that I mentioned competition is because the average person who lifts recreationally usually does not have the desire or dedication to utilize the benefits of A/S to their fullest extent. Also the side effects can be GREAT - especially for women. I just can't see the point of taking such risks for what? Their won't be any real gains made with the A/S if the dedication to eating, training etc are not also in place.

The reason I have always said is that I would never compete on anything other than a local level is because I am just not willing to do what is necessary in order not to get laughed off of the stage - PERIOD.

I earn a living by how I look and yet I still do NOT NEED A/S, if I did would it make my muscles any less "real"? NO. I am only stating these facts to let Sailor Girl and others like her what can be achieved w/out A/S. If I had a body like FC (OH MY GOD IS SHE AMAZING!) and said, "You too can look like this w/out A/S." Then, of course, I could see how you would be getting your underoos in a bind.

I am not passing judgement. I am not saying that I am better because I did not use A/S. But when someone as young as Sailor Girl makes the comment (even though I'm sure that she was making it tongue in cheek) that she may try A/S because she is getting impatient w/her skinny arms I feel that I must speak up.

-Giving up smoking about eight years ago with the aid of patches. I would light up first thing in the morning, last thing at night and even would sneak out of the gym halfway through my workout for a puff.
Hardly touch grass,as it doesn't do sfa for me.
-Attaining my second millennial visit at the gym I go to. They compute your name each time you visit and have a list on the wall (which is changed monthly) with the munber of your visits on. No big deal maybe, but for someone like myself who is very undisciplined and who doesn't like too much sweat and toil, I feel secretly proud of the fact that I've clocked up over 2200 visits. In the early days I worked out far too much, but now workout 4 or 5 days a week, doing cardio on the others.
You would expect me to be a freak by now - well, I'm not - but I'm toned and defined, and if I do start a cycle this year, I'll have the foundation for good results.

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Originally posted by Sailor_Girl:
I work out. I'm natural for now but that will most likely change because I am a very imatient person and am sick of my skinny arms.

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Sailor, even though you won't take my word for it, I believe it's an EXTREMELY bad idea for a 17 year old girl to use steroids.

Anyway, I am extremely serious about working out, probably more than most on the chat. And about the weed thing, MP5, I was CONSIDERING ingesting a small amount of marijuana once a month or so after work on Saturdays to enjoy playing team fortress.

I have done the research and I doubt it have any negative effect on my training at all. However, I don't have the funds to do it right now so maybe some other time. It was just an idea.

Also, there are way too many kids here that use or talk about using steroids. Instead of turning to drugs for instant gratification, first try busting your ass in the gym for about 6 or 7 years without any layoffs, eat right and forget about the partying.

If you enjoy going out on Friday nights and getting drunk or high them bodybuilding is not a priority in your life. People with this lack of discipline have no business using or even contemplating steroid use. The gym is packed almost every night of the week except Friday and Saturday night. You go in there during the evenings on the weekend and those are the people that take their training seriously.

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It makes me sick to see the amount of posts about everyone drinking, partying and using drugs. Then many of these same people post pictures of themselves and it looks like they never worked out a day in their lives.

Also, there are way too many kids here that use or talk about using steroids. Instead of turning to drugs for instant gratification, first try busting your ass in the gym for about 6 or 7 years without any layoffs, eat right and forget about the partying.

If you enjoy going out on Friday nights and getting drunk or high them bodybuilding is not a priority in your life. People with this lack of discipline have no business using or even contemplating steroid use. The gym is packed almost every night of the week except Friday and Saturday night. You go in there during the evenings on the weekend and those are the people that take their training seriously.

I'm sure that the majority of the people that post on this board won't be found in the gym on a Friday or Saturday night.

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I have used on occasion a Universal creatine product called Lava and I don't know if it made me stronger, but I got some craaaaaazy pumps. I do supplement w/MRP (I use Universal products because they are pretty good and I can get them wholesale, hehe)...and NO, I don't work for them. I wish!

Don't worry too much about cardio and train hard and heavy with good form and BE CONSISTENT, get plenty of rest and drink A LOT OF WATER!

I have to say I'm not too hyped about steriods, especially in females....alot of women I have met just don't understand how big they can get if they learned to push themselves. It is totally genetics however. Alot of woman can get a very large physic with diet and intense training alone. Some can get much larger than alot of boys.

The thing that flames me about roids is alot of people I know on them, went on them without pushing themselves both physically and nutritionaly before starting. They started because they are lazy and wanted big results without big effort. I'm just as lazy as the next person, however, I wouldn't feel right with my accomplishment if I got the majority of my body just from needles and surgery.....my pysical condition to me is not only a pursuit for health, but also a challenge I strive to acheive utilizing only my own body and soul....

Sailor girl is about 7 years from even being close to hitting juice. first you are a girl, and you are pumping drugs into your system that are basically making you a man. No woman should cross that line unless they are competing in either fitness, or bodybuilding on a higher level (or certain sports).

And Bikini Mom, no one "needs" gear, but you do get to a level when you are stuck, strength wise and size wise after years of lifting so gear is an option. Technically no one "needs" to lift weights at all. When do humans ever need to use their pecs? No one needs surgery for that matter, maybe for something like a birth defect or a nose job that you have no control over. Hell, I think implants are a violent and completely un-natural surgery there is. i watched a show on it and I could not understand how any woman could stuff that crap under your skin. That is like some guy having a rubberhose placed under the skin on his bicep to make it look like a big vein...sick.

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Frackal....what exactly are you trying to accomplish? Ask yourself that question before you start juicing. My specific plan was and is to gain enough lbm each cycle that I can naturally keep on. What good does it do you if you can only keep lbm when on juice? I don't want to be on AS my whole life. There are certainly implications to long term AS use and I don't care what anybody says. Testosterone and GH therapy are one thing, but to be on a gram of test a week is another.

Anyways, I do believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with drug use, etc. being discussed on a a fitness board. Sure, AS can be classified as an illegal substance but it is in no way comparable to ecstacy, acid, weed, etc. AS use is for performance, fitness and BB performance.

I got into bodybuilding for a while, but I know now that it is basically a contest of pharmaceuticals.

I do admire those that are dedicated enough to do it, but acheiving a look you can keep for one day does not appeal to me.

I don't do rec drugs...never have...and I don't drink right now because I am quite busy...but I'll drink on the weekends whenever I damn well please.

For me bodybuiling is my life and everything else comes second including work, friends and social life. Many people don't understand what it truely means to be hardcore.

For a 19 year old child with minimal training experiance to turn to steroids, he is an impatient fool. Whe gains have slowed or stopped, its time to re-evaluate diet and training before turning to drugs at such a young age. When he finshes that cycle and loses a good portion of the gains once the anabolic effect has worn off, he will be an emotional wreck. And then what? Start another cycle and then another?

My goal is to be a lean 220-230 lbs. max. Even though my genetics are not that great, this might be achievable for me without steroids, maybe by the time I am 40 or so.

Honestly though, my goal is not crazy, so it won't require crazy dosages.

Seriously, what can I expect in the next 5 years as a natural. 10 lbs? 15 if I'm lucky?

At 19 years old, you can gain much more than 15 pounds naturally over the next 3 or 4 years. Don't be a pessimist assuming this can't be done without the use of drugs.

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Originally posted by seeseerider:
Please Sailor Girl dont do a/s,you may regret the permanent side effect!! unless you want to grow a huge clit!!

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I just work out my chest on bench press about 3 x's a week and i drink and smoke.But im quittin smokin soon

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god damn I hope your kidding. bench press is the most worthless "mass building" exercise in the universe (well not really, but every bench press junkie I know has jack shit for a physique, and even less for mass)

bodybuilding is about symmetry, powerlifting is about strength in the entire body, bench press junkie's are NOTHING.

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Originally posted by seeseerider:
Please Sailor Girl dont do a/s,you may regret the permanent side effect!! unless you want to grow a huge clit!!

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I had sex with a girl that had a large clit with small lips about 2 months ago. so tight I needed "help" to stick it in, her clit literally stuck to my bladder while I was fucking her. making a very cool "sloop" noise the whole time.

oh that was great.

If any 19 yro thinks that all they will gain in 5 years is 10-15 pounds, they are crazy.The metabolism slow down and they won't believe it until they experience it. I gained 40 since highschool graduation over the years before any juice. Eat big, grow big.

If I was 18-19 I would take creatine, go to college and party, get on chicks, and lift. After I got all the drinking till dawn out of my system I would continue to eat big, lift hard then see about a cycle, maybe by age 22.

Or I can do what I believe to be correct and
use a conservative cycle to accelerate my progress to or past my genetic potential, which done wisely will have little to no sides.

I can either go to college as a swol motherfucker, or graduate college as a struggling natty ectomorph.

Anyway, it's too late now. I've already got something special coming in the mail.

And no MP5, I realize I don't know everything, but I believe to be correct in this instance, and since you are so concerned, I'll be sure to let you know how it all goes.

PS- About the 40 lb. gain, don't tell me that
after getting to 194 from 157 that it's realistic to think I can gain any more than 20 lbs. MAX in the 5 years. Anyway, I hope we can be through with this discussion.

But don't come whining when your youth and lack of patience causes you problems down the road.

So Wombat, go on being proud of yourself, you are a true Guru. Ever though of giving a seminar?

From now on I am going to recommend that all lifters do juice, be it 16 years old or female. It is the only answer.

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