1953. CIA operative George Herbert Walker Bush founds Zapata Petroleum in Texas. Its subsidiary, Zapata Offshore is used as a CIA front. Initiating his career-long foray into Latin American shadow politics, Bush establishes ties with CIA operative and narco-trafficker Manuel Noriega of Panama (later its dictator).

1960-1961. Bay of Pigs. Bush and fellow CIA operative Felix Rodriguez organize and train Cuban exiles in Florida and across the Gulf region for an invasion of Cuba, and the assassination of Fidel Castro, with assistance from elements of the Mafia (based in Florida).

President John F. Kennedy pulls the plug on the operation, infuriating the Cubans, the CIA, the mob, and Bush. Maybe that's why they had him killed?

Well, duh!!!

1963. JFK is assassinated in Dallas. The involvement of Cubans, CIA operatives in Florida (Felix Rodriguez), and the questionable activities of Bush, Richard Nixon, Texas oil moguls and Texas politicians during the period, are detailed by numerous assassination researchers. J. Edgar Hoover interviews a "George Bush of the CIA" regarding "anti-Castro exile reaction" to the murder.

1968-1973. With Richard Nixon in the White House, Antonin Scalia in charge of the White House communications office, and George H.W. Bush heading the Republican National Committee, the Republicans maintain close ties to right-wing Florida Cubans.

*Bebe Rebozo, a prominent Florida Cuban with intelligence ties, is a close friend of Nixon. In 1971, journalist Ken Collier calls on Nixon to investigate 1970 Florida election fraud by Republicans. Scalia persuades Nixon to remain silent, Collier alleges.

1973. The Watergate Break-In is conducted by anti-Castro Cubans and CIA agents tied to the Bay of Pigs: Rodriguez, Bernard Barker (former Cuban secret police), Frank Sturgis, E. Howard Hunt, and Eugenio Rolando Martinez. Nixon tapes reveal that the objective is to hide evidence regarding "Dallas" and "the Bay of Pigs thing." Bush assists Nixon in the coverup, and the stonewalling of the Congress.

Remember the tape of Nixon ranting about "firing everyone... except Bush"? Nixon said (it's on tape, Conservative Boys and Girls) "He'll do anything for The Cause."

Remember?

1976. CIA Director George H.W. Bush stonewalls Congress regarding the aerial bombing of a Cubana Airline jet and a car bomb slaying of a Chilean diplomat.

*Anti-Castro Cubans are arrested, including Luis Carriles. Carriles' immediate superior is Felix Rodriguez (who boasts to have assassinated Che Guevara).

*During the Bush CIA years, the loyal Rodriguez is involved with the Phoenix program, Air America, and heroin smuggling in Southeast Asia.

1982-1986. Iran-Contra. With Vice President Bush "in the loop" with CIA Director William Casey and other members of the Reagan "firewall," Felix Rodriguez coordinates the contra resupply program in El Salvador under Oliver North.

*In Senate testimony, Rodriguez alleges to have passed ten million dollars to the contras from the Colombian Medellin cocaine cartel.

*In Florida, Jeb Bush (the head of the Dade County Republican Party) operates as the Republican administration's unofficial link with Cubans, the contras and Nicaraguan exiles in Miami.

*During this period, Jeb aligns with Leonel Martinez, a Miami-based right-wing Cuban-American drug trafficker associated with contra dissident Eden Pastora. Jeb forges business ties with contra supporter Miguel Recarey, a right-wing Cuban, and major contributor to PACs controlled by then-Vice President Bush.

*Florida-based drug-running fronts funnel US government funds as humanitarian aid to the contras. Senator John Kerry investigates Miami-based Ocean Hunter, one of many Florida-based drug-running fronts, and discovers $200,000 channeled south.

1986. Reagan appoints Antonin Scalia to the Supreme Court. At his confirmation hearing, Ken and James Collier accuse Scalia of sandbagging their lawsuits against the Republican National Committee for election fraud in Florida.

1988-1992. With George H.W. Bush as president, the US invades Panama, toppling former CIA ally, contra compatriot and narco trafficker Manuel Noriega. Cuban operatives assist.

*As a link to that powerful and wealthy South Florida community, Jeb remains a tireless supporter of reactionary Cuban-American political causes, such as the freeing of right-wing terrorist Orlando Bosch.

*Bosch is responsible for more than 50 anti-Castro bombings in Cuba and elsewhere in the Western Hemisphere. Jeb is also a supporter of CANF projects like Radio and TV Marti (propaganda broadcasts into Cuba, in violation of telecommunications laws).

*Jeb Bush is also involved with Florida-based BCCI banks and money laundering operations. The Miami US Attorney is rebuffed by the Republican-controlled Justice Department in his efforts to indict BCCI and some of its principal officers on tax fraud charges.

1994. After benefiting financially and politically from oil, money and CIA ties to his father and brother, George W. Bush becomes governor of Texas.

1998. Jeb Bush becomes governor of Florida with strong backing from long-time friends in the Cuban community. Jorge Mas Canosa, president of the ultra-right wing Cuban American National Federation (CANF) succinctly describes Jeb's role throughout the 1980s and 1990s: "He is one of us."

*The Elian Gonzalez affair ignites Florida, setting off partisan conflict (and violence). Anti-Castro Cubans are incensed at the Clinton/Gore administration.

2000. Jeb Bush "promises to deliver Florida" to his brother, presidential candidate George W. Bush.

*Florida is delivered, and the election sealed with help from Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

The only reason they have power is because of dirty dealings. It wouldn't be all that surprising except that two Bush's have become president of the US and two have become Governors through the same means they would publicly denounce and vilify.

Just pointing out that they are hypocritical power-hungry imposters.

They go a long way to solidify the old saying;
"Power Corrupts"

Wait a minute, wrong president, wrong drug.

NEVERMIND

You'd make a great member of the communist party! j/k

Gore has ties to communist china, even so far as taking money from the chinese communist military.

They have given away secrets intentionally to the communist chinese and then blame an innocent chinese scientist doing work for us at Los Alomos, (friend of my physics professor)

The whole point to this is that even the buchannans/naders have deep, dark dirty secrets in their closets. Unless, someone with zero political background runs and wins the presidency we will always have this.

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Originally posted by Mr. Roarke:
2Thick,

You'd make a great member of the communist party! j/k

Don't be jealous of America bro! Canada is not THAT far behind us.

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Hahahaha! I would be upset with your comment if I were Canadian. I actually have a house in the states so I just call it like I see it.

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Originally posted by chesty:

2thick, didn't know were so concerned about American gov't and politics. How come?

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Did I ever say that I wasn't an American citizen? You never know!!!

I do this because I love to see you avoid the facts I present and kick the shit out of the dead horse that is "Clinton/Gore"....hahahahahahahahah

Up until your posts on the election I would hav figured you for Canadian, but you started posting way too much knowledge to be the avg Canadian and it sounded way American, but as you say you never know.

I am not avoiding the facts, I just like to see you kick a dead horse.

I firmly believe that our gov't whacked Kennedy. In fact though I believe it had more to do with trying to end the war in Vietnam, which was a big business deal all the way. Funny how the key piece of evidence that would prove if there was more than one shooter is missing, his brain!

Yes, I know evil too and I agree with you that we are pretty much powerless to do anything about it.

They helped keep the emperor in check most of the time.

As for the gladiator games are they really all that different from common spectator sports such as football and hockey? (except for the intentionall killing they are not) And the reasons we like to watch them, are fixated at are tv sets with film of actual war and violence is because we are no different than the ancient Romans.

However, what I find interesting is how some would say "oh society in my country is better than yours"...so many variables dictate the crux of a country's values.
My country has a small population. what is very successful here would be disastrous in America with its huge population...and what works in Australia may not work in Canada.

Sort of like companies: the policies and infastructure that works when you only have 50 employees could not possibly run efficiently with 500 employees. Different strategies.

The US barley makes the top 5.

Most people I talked to were adament about leaving if Quebec ever did separate from Canada.

Now that is only one city in the country, but it is supposed to be one of the better ones.

I have lived in most states and other places around the world and I still find, that overall the US has a better quality of life than anywhere else in the world. If you don't believe me come down and live where I do.

Now, we do have our problems, but they are no different than anywhere else, just more noticeable because we have more people.

As for the UN, they dislike America, because we supposedly owe them tons of money, and because we also supply 75% of there operating budget any way in addition to these supposed dues.

I don't really think you've sad anything all that damning....when you get down to it, you are saying, "a CIA operative was involved in some questionable activities."

Not exactly a shocker. :-)

I share your frustration at the powerlessness of people against the government...it gets bigger and more unwieldy no matter who wins elections....and I don't really see many ways that it can reverse itself.

However, ironically enough, my friend and I were in a bar off Sherbrooke STreet when an American from Chicago rudely interrupted us and proceeded to do his damndedst to pick us up. I have never met such a redneck, rude loser in my life...he proceeded to make racist and sexist comments and criticize our country. I say as you folks do...if you don't like get the fuck out. Then this jerk had the nerve to be uspet when we wouldnt go back to his hotel with him...after he had told us that any umarried woman over 29 was nothing but a whore if they werent a virgin. Yeah buddy..youre smooth.

When I would go downtown, or visit the west Island on the French side is when I would notice the jerks. When I first got there, I had three different people try to pick a fight with me.

I don't find it odd that you ran into a rude American. For some reason when Americans go abroad, they get a superiority complex (gee, go figure) Most however, can keep that in check.

I was all over downtown, lived in DDO and Laval and traveled the 15 every day to go to work at Canadair.

I think, it came out more on me, because I am American, and there is no mistaking that.

Now where I ate almost every night the people hated the french law, refused to speak french unless given no other choice. This was obviously on the english side of the Island. It was really amazing to see such a sharp division between cultures just by crossing a line on the map.

I also lived downtown with some friends in the lebanese quarter and passed through the hebrew and other middle eastern quarter's as well.

Some of our best allies are criminals. That makes perfect sense. They already have an underground network established, they have operatives in place, they know how to keep secrets and they will do anything for money.

We do what we must to keep America strong!!

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Originally posted by chesty:
We also stand in there way of their ultimate goal which is total world domination. If you don't believe me read the UN charter and Declaration. It reads like a communist manifesto, which is the way it should, because it was written by US socialists back in the 50's I believe.

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BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish I had the time to write out a respectful and lengthy reply.

I really want to know where you got that info.

Don't worry, I still respect you, Chesty.

What about the world bank? and banking system? Gatt treaty? What about the fact that if we want to do something somewhere in the world, we have to get permission from the UN? If we are attacked, we just can't go and get the bad guys, we have to have permission, catch them, get permission to try them in the US courts and not in a World tribunal court.

The world of Star Trek and the United Federation of Planets (symbolic for the UN) is a pipe dream. Would it be great if we could have the freedoms we do today and have only one gov't? Sure, will it happen no.

With the internet, world finance, stock markets, etc. the world is coming closer together and it makes sense to bring it together. It's irresponsible & foolish to maintain a isolationist position in this day & age.

A world order may scare all of the christians, etc. who believe in the antichrist, etc., as well as the anti-government factions, but it is the future pure and simple. The world is coming together if you like it or not.

And the 50$ question. We take away all money and pay everyone in credits, that they use on the internet, have a credit card for to make purchases and such. How easy then would it be to completely control the populace and enslave them then? That is one of the goals of the one world gov't. To create a cashless society.

No, I am not a christian nor am I anti-gov't. I do however reckognize that the gov'ts of the world are as unique as dna. Each respnsive for the most part to its people and answerable directly to its people. In the extreme there is facism, communsism, socialism, and what is left of democracy.

Remember this, "absolute power corrupts absolutely"

I don't believe that one gov't would be wise to rule an entire planet. However, I do believe that someday, the world will grow up and we will work together and accomplihs the things that take world commitment.

If you look around the world, it is a brewing ground for war (civil&other), ethnic cleansing, etc. We live in very unstable times. As the world has come closer together most of these tensions have eased or stopped. There are several countries however that refuse to cooperate with the process of peace.

Now ask yourself, if all of the industrialized countries and most of the third world ones also, stood together as one, who would want to go to war against them? We could have a world with no war or warring factions. We could share our resources. We could experience a better world in which to live in.

We are obvously headded towards self destruction if we continue the same path.

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I believe in order for our species to evolve we need to love ALL peoples and abandon prejedice. Then we can have our one government and focus on more positive things.

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Get real bro. How do you plan to do that? Force people thru laws(force) to love each other? That is nice in theory but it is a dangerous thing to try to force people to love each other. Just not going to happen.

Remember that most governments that accumulate power usually end up killing their own people who don't conform to the universal standard. Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, the Chinese of today.

When I speak of a world order I'm not speaking of one where we all hold hands and sing folk songs together. All I'm speaking of is a world where the big issues such as food, poverty, war, commerce, technology, etc. can be shared or the effects dispersed among others.

A good model is our country. You have state and local governments. Then you have the federal government. The world should be similiar, but the world political organization should only make decisions that affect the globe, not local areas. It will happen, trust me. Our current President is already making plans to do so. Just like his father before him.

I also, don't believe among unilateral reallocation of resources (take from the rich and give to the poor) What needs to happen is a technological leap that would allow the soulution for the problems of the world to be had. Redistribution is not the solution and only exacerbates the current problems. Our tax system and welfare programs are good examples.

I also believe that before the next great technological advancement the world will be pounded into the stoneage again. Either by us or by nature, but either way it will happen. And then by the virture of survival the next great advances will take place.

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Originally posted by chesty:
I also, don't believe among unilateral reallocation of resources (take from the rich and give to the poor) What needs to happen is a technological leap that would allow the soulution for the problems of the world to be had. Redistribution is not the solution and only exacerbates the current problems. Our tax system and welfare programs are good examples.

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100% agreed

Anyways, there is no single solution for any of the problems, domestic or international. But we will see some interesting things during this next century. That is most certainly a given.

Right Mr. Roarke??

If America could evolve into a pure, LAISSEZ-FAIRE Capitalist country, other countries of the world would pose no threat, and EVERYONE who lives here would have a better "quality of life."

This is definitely the most interesting, intelligent posts I've ever seen on this board, I don't think there's been once stupid flaming remark yet...there may be hope for this world after all!!

For those who haven't already, read ATLAS SHRUGGED by Ayn Rand if you get a chance, too...

MAY THE NEW YEAR BRING US MORE FREEDOM THAN THE LAST 8 YEARS...!!!

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ONE WORD...OBJECTIVISM!!

Right Mr. Roarke??

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