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E6286

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posted December 28, 2000 02:37 AM

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Ok, I am about to go on my first cycle.... I am 5'11, 160lbs.... I am trying to gain between 20-25 lbs and to HOLD ON TO IT! What cycle do yall reccommend? I am getting so many different ideas... Please post your thoughts...


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2Thick

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posted December 28, 2000 02:44 AM

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I find it hard to believe that anyone at 160 pounds can gain and keep 20-25 pounds. The human body will simply reject most of the weight. You should aim at a 10-15 pound gain and try to hold on to it.

I would recommend either EQ and D-bol or Deca and D-bol.

dianabol****EQ/Deca
4/day********300
4************300
4************300
4************300
3************400
3************400
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*************300
*************300
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****************100mg/day of Clomid
*****************50mg/day of Clomid


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E6286

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posted December 28, 2000 02:48 AM

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I hear dbol causes bad acne.... I Just got over a bad acne problem... what about deca/omna cycle????


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2Thick

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posted December 28, 2000 02:54 AM

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Test causes more acne than D-bol.

You can do what you like but I think you will better off without the test.


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E6286

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posted December 28, 2000 03:14 AM

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Test causes more acne than d-bol? I never knew that..... So a deca/d-bol cycle is my best bet for gaining mass????


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2Thick

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posted December 28, 2000 03:18 AM

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If you want more mass then Omna/D-bol is the way to go.

If you want to keep more of your weight then Deca-D-bol is the way to go.

You will have to work harder for the gains with Deca. With the test you will gain more fat but you also need a lot of calories for the Omna.

You basically need a lot of protein with the Deca.


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E6286

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posted December 28, 2000 03:25 AM

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What would you think of 200mg of deca per week, 250 of omna/week, and dbol....?


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2Thick

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posted December 28, 2000 03:34 AM

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I think it is a good 3rd cycle but it is too much for your first cycle.

But if you want lots of mass then go for it (although I would recommend against it).


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E6286

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posted December 28, 2000 03:37 AM

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What do you think of omna/deca?


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2Thick

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posted December 28, 2000 03:39 AM

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That is good for a 2nd cycle.

It will give you great gains with a high protein and high calorie diet (but mostly clean calories).


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T Bone

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posted December 28, 2000 03:44 AM

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Listen to 2Thick, he has recomended a good first cycle. Take small steps, you wont waste money. Sur you can gain 20-25 pounds but you'll probably loose 50% and spend more money doing it.

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YAKUZA

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posted December 28, 2000 04:09 AM

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BLAH BLAH BLAH. 200mg/wk of deca and 250mg/wk of sus? Good for a THIRD cycle? NO WAY. I wouldn't even say it's good for a first cycle. If you're going to do it, do it right. I'm not saying to slam down a gram of test your first cycle, but you could do 500. And 200 of deca is kind of a waste in my opinion. If you're gonna do the deca, shoot for 400. No disrespect to 2Thick, but those doses are pretty low, even for a first time. I had a few buddies that used 250mg of sus a week for their first cycles. Both guys lifted for a few years, and had their diet, training, and rest in order. Neither gained a pound. Not worth it.


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2Thick

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posted December 28, 2000 04:13 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by YAKUZA:
I had a few buddies that used 250mg of sus a week for their first cycles. Both guys lifted for a few years, and had their diet, training, and rest in order. Neither gained a pound. Not worth it.

The first part was okay since it is your opinion and you can say whatever you like but this is very hard to believe. You can say that low dosages are not for you but you can't expect anyone to believe that more than one person with a good diet, training and rest used 250mg and gained nothing!! That just cannot be true.

BTW- What dosages were your first cycle made up of?


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YAKUZA

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posted December 28, 2000 04:23 AM

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Cannot be true huh? How about they were twin brothers!! Seriously, they were. My first cycle was EQ only, 300mg/wk for 8 weeks. Gained 15LBS. I love the stuff (EQ) more than anything else I've used. I still believe though that since your best gains come from your first cycle, you should at least hit it a LITTLE bit harder than 250 of sus and 200 of deca. Personal opinion.


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T Bone

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posted December 28, 2000 05:20 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by 2Thick:
I would recommend either EQ and D-bol or Deca and D-bol.

dianabol****EQ/Deca
4/day********300
4************300
4************300
4************300
3************400
3************400
*************400
*************300
*************300
*************300
****************100mg/day of Clomid
*****************50mg/day of Clomid


YAKUZA,
This look to me like he did recomend more than 200mg blah blah blah. As a matter of fact it looks like this cycle is heavier than your first cycle.

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YAKUZA

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posted December 28, 2000 05:34 AM

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Everybody's a smartass now, eh? haha Actually he did, but then he said 250sus and 200deca is too much for a first cycle. That's what I disagreed with. 300 of EQ works well for a first time, at least it did for me. BUT, if I could go back and add about 500test and some Dbol, I would.


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T Bone

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posted December 28, 2000 05:47 AM

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I know, heh heh.


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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 28, 2000 06:02 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by E6286:
Ok, I am about to go on my first cycle.... I am 5'11, 160lbs.... I am trying to gain between 20-25 lbs and to HOLD ON TO IT! What cycle do yall reccommend? I am getting so many different ideas... Please post your thoughts...

No offence bro but at 5'11" and at 160lbs you can get up to at least 180lbs naturally i am pretty sure of it, even if you got shitty genetics. Eat, supplement, train and grow. Save the gear for when you have reached your maximum potential naturally. You may be a hardgainer but still I am sure you can get up to more than 160 naturally.

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SMS

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posted December 28, 2000 09:08 AM

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It is very possible to pack on some extra weight to your 160lb frame. I'm 21, and since I graduated highschool until last winter, I was 155lb. I peaked in the low 160's. Now this year, without steroids, I was able to jump up to 173. This is really all natural, no supplements or even vitamins. I was a skinny guy like you once!


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