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 a few cycle questions
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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im 19 173lbs about 9%bf this will be my first cycle i think i want to do a sus only maybe sus/d-bol.. would you suggest 250 or 500mg of sust a day and if i add 30mg d-bol for the first 3-4 weeks will it make a huge diffrence in my overall gains.. aslo do you think novadlex will we neccessary... thanks     | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 5806 |
quote: Did you mean to write that? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
sorry per week... also if i took 500 would it be best to do it all at once or 250 every 3 days | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 210 |
Well dude, I started around your age and its a good sign that you are out there asking questions. I didn't and I wasted alot of time and money. What I would say to do is the following: 1) Make sure your diet is in very good shape (eat clean, but like a horse), including 2 gs of protein per day per lb of bodyweight. For a person your age, I do not think 1 g is enough, but that's just me. 2) Make sure you get 8 hours of sleep. 3) Never miss a workout. 4) If you haven't made solid gains in 8 weeks, take 250 mgs of sust and 300 mg of deca per week for eight to ten weeks, 25 mg of dbol for the first 4 weeks, or something of this nature. I write this because I think I had about 20 more pounds to gain naturally before I jumped into gear. Good luck, Monndog | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5806 |
I wouldn't recommend using test for your first cycle. You do not need it yet. You should use EQ and D-bol for your first cycle. It will give you good gains (as long as you have a good diet and train and sleep correctly). use 300-400mg of EQ for 10 weeks and use 25-30mg of d-bol for the first 5-6 weeks and you will do fine. If you do use Sust then use 250mg per week with d-bol for the first 4 weeks at 25mg/day. You will probably not need Nolva but have it on hand in case your nipples become irritated. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5806 |
Forget what I said if you have not done what moondog suggested (Expect for cycle he suggested since it is too potent)!!! [This message has been edited by 2Thick (edited December 27, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
any one??? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 213 |
2Thick ,i don't want to get into one of those huge back and forth things with you about test versus deca. But could explain why you say not to use test yet ?? Afterall the human body produces it everyday in your system, the body uses it, it's a natural hormone...i just don't see why you are against it.... thanks bro ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
i personally think that test is the way to go.. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
i want to put on size btw.. prefrably about 15-20 lbs of kept muscle | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5806 |
quote: The basic idea is as follows; You can make good gains off of highly anabolic substances (or weaker) steroids when you first begin using gear. Once you stop making good gains from the "weaker" steroids, you should then move to testosterone. The truth of the matter is that most people will make gains on test most of the time. If you begin with test then the "weaker" gear will be useless (unless it is stacked). Therefore you are wasting your potential for growth if you begin with test. This only holds true if you plan on using gear for more than 2 cycles (and I believe it is foolish to do less than 3. | ||
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Moderator
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Well first of...your to young...blah Blah Blah...got that out of the way.... Now, Sus is a good choice of tests for a first cycle, it's self tapering, doesn't aromatize easily..etc. With test, you know full well the common side effects and can combat them with simple, inexpensive methods...i.e. Clomid, Nolvadex, Armidex, ....etc. Dbol, at 30 or 25 mg's per day for 4 weeks or so is a very nice way to jack the cycle off the ground, the added water weight and strength gains kick in as the sus finally begins to show.... Add the eq instead of deca(deca fucking sucks) as eq only aromatizes into a simple estrogen, unlike deca which has the affinity to bind with, and activate the progest. recepters... Test should be the base for all first stacks in life...anything else will leave you lacking, and wanting more....know your body, diet and training are paramount...eat like a bitch, pound Iron like the sweat God you wish to become....then walk by 2Thicks house and scare the shit out of him....heh heh heh stick with the test at 500mg's per week, injection every three days to keep the prop. levels constant....plenty of water, milk thistle, clomid eod throughout.....BANG!!! Your HUGE>>>> Ranger | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 213 |
2Thick ok that sounds fine,so i take it you don't believe in the popular "theory" that you make your best gains on your first cycle...?? so hit the receptors hard the first time... ------------------ [This message has been edited by ARM E MAN (edited December 28, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
is it a good idea to add some d-bol to this cycle..... sus 250 or 500 a week if so how much... | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5806 |
quote: I don't think you make the best gains on your 1st cycle and I think it is foolish to "hit the receptors hard" on the first cycle since you will need high dosages from then on. It is a waste of money and unnecessarily taxes your system. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 213 |
quote: By this do you mean that every cycle must be higher in dosages than the last..to make gains...so if i do 500mgs on one cycle then i need more and more every time...?? | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5806 |
That is pretty much the logic gear users go by. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
on average with a ggo diet 3000-4000 clean cals a day and at leats 8 hours sleep what is the diffeence in gains or average gains for these potential cycles 250mg sust 8 weeks 250sust 8 weeks 3-4 weeks of d-bol 25mg a day thanks | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5806 |
To tell you the truth, you will just be paying more for more test. Why do you want to use 750mg for your first cycle when you will be forced to use 1000mg per week for your 2nd cycle? You will make great gains with 250mg and you still have 500mg and 750mg to go for your next few cycles. Most of the seasoned vets only use around 1000mg/week. Why would you force yourself to go that high so early? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
so the diffrence in gains wouldnt be that much diffrent? | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5806 |
There will be a difference but it will not be worth using the extra gear. Just use 500mg on your 2nd cycle. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
okay thanks how about using d-bol?? minimal amounts of that 20-25mg a day?? or not at all | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 822 |
The difference between 250 and 500 would be significant if all other more important aspects are in check(DIET, rest, training). Test is a gift from the gods and should be worshiped like holly water. If you run test alone on the first cycle you still have many, many options open to you for future cycles. As many options as if you just ran eq or deca. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5806 |
Stacking on the 1st cycle is not necessary and I wouldn't do it. D-bol for 3 weeks helps to start you off faster. As you can see, there are many different opinions on this subject. Take all the info from all of the respected members and make your decision (or keep asking questions) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
ive decided in sus@250mg/week for 8 weeks im still not sure n the d-bol.. i do have my diet and sleep in check | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
more opinions please |
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posted December 27, 2000 11:16 PM