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ultragainz

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posted December 26, 2000 04:18 PM

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what is this myostatian?(might be spelled wrong) but i hear its for cows, i think, how do people get it?i also heard it increase 400%muscle mass.i know someone that is looking for it so any info would be nice?it sounds crazy what are the sides?
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posted December 26, 2000 04:20 PM

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shit 400%... that's a lot for humans.... i can understand for a cow because of they're body size but taking this would be insane!!!

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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 26, 2000 04:21 PM

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I posted an article on this stuff about 2 wks ago. Had all the info you would need. Search Archives, Ill try and re-locate it if possible.

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ultragainz

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posted December 26, 2000 04:23 PM

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bro can people get it my friends trying to get it.
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posted December 26, 2000 04:26 PM

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i would like to know about this stuff myself!


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posted December 26, 2000 04:35 PM

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bump for growing like cows!


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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 26, 2000 04:39 PM

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Found it people:

In 1997 McPherron and Lee from John Hopkins University discovered a gene that could be responsible for abnormal muscular growth in cattle. It is called the Myostatin gene (nickname " Schwarzenegger Gene " ). The gene produces a protein called Myostatin that regulates muscular growth. Experiments where the genes were mutated in Belgian Blue and Piedmontse cattle led to increased muscularity. Gains of up to 30% above normal levels of muscularity have been shown in cattle that experienced Myostatin mutations.

Shortly after the discovery of the Myostatin gene in cattle the gene was discovered in
mice. Mutation of the gene in mice resulted in 200-300% increases in muscle mass. The studies showed us that Myostatin had the same biological function in cattle and mice. These discoveries led to further investigations of the Myostatin gene. Scientists have discovered the gene in other vertebra animals including pigs, chickens, turkeys and humans.

Recent reports state that KFC is working on producing larger chickens through Myostatin mutation. Sources also say that McDonald's is working on a supercow
that is six times larger than normal cows. These reports are purely speculation; they are not official at this time.

Myostatin belongs to a family of molecules called transforming growth factors beta
(TGF-b ). It is also called ( GDF-8 ) growth and differentiation factor - 8. TGFb
subtypes are based on their related structures. GDF is one of these structures which
specifically regulates growth and differentiation. In the beginning researchers thought
Myostatin was present only in skeletal muscle. Since then, a New Zealand team of
researchers detected Myostatin in cardiac muscle. Research at Purdue University
detected the Myostatin gene in lactating mammary glands of pigs.

Myostatin plays a role in prenatal muscular growth. At this time we have little knowledge of Myostatins role in muscle regeneration. The process of muscle
regeneration is a complex situation. In young animals hormones and growth factors are likely to induce growth. As animals become adults these factors become down regulated. The muscles ability to express protein synthesis is lessened.

MyoD, IGF-I and myogenin are factors in determining a muscle cells specific characteristics. Muscle regulatory factor 4 ( MRF-4 ) mRNA expression is the dominant factor in adult muscular growth. As you can see in addition to Myostatin there are other factors involved in the regulation of muscle.

At this time little research has been performed on human models. Although the research that has been done shows that Myostatin works basically the same in humans as it does in animals.

Studies indicate Myostatin may control muscle fiber type.

Research also shows that altering the bodies metabolism has no effect on Myostatin
expression. Studies done on piglets and mice show that food restriction as well as
administration of exogenous growth hormone did not effect Myostatin levels. These
studies suggest that Myostatin expression is largely associated with prenatal muscular
growth.

High levels of Myostatin have been detected in HIV-infected men in comparison to
healthy males. This does not necessarily mean that Myostatin is a factor in muscle
wasting. At the present time we can not be sure of Myostatin's role in muscle regulation. Several authors suggest that Myostatin plays a larger role in muscle
regeneration after injury. One study reported that mutations in the human Myostatin gene did not play a role in altering muscle mass in weight trained subjects.

How does Myostatin apply to bodybuilding? This topic has been mentioned by various authorities in the bodybuilding industry. Mauro Dipasquale stated in a
interview with Testosterone magazine that Myostatin could be the wave of the future.
Dan Duchaine and Bill Roberts also stated that Myostatin inhibition could take top
level physiques to an even higher level.

Further research needs to be done with humans before we fully understand Myostatins role in human muscle. Some of the research done on animals looks very
promising, but we are not animals. The biggest problem facing Myostatin research at
this time is funding for this type of research.

Federal funding is unlikely for performance enhancement research. Scientists believe it is possible that inhibition of Myostatin could possibly help in treating muscle wasting
diseases. If this theory proves reliable it is possible that federal authorities would support Myostatin research for medical purposes.

In conclusion, Myostatin presents great possibilities, but at this time we do not have
sufficient evidence to determine Myostatin's role in humans.

References
Canada's Weekly News Review ( 1999 ) [ online ] available : http:
//ourpress.com/kfc_superchicken.htm [ 1999,Sept.28 (volume 1 , issue 20)

Falcon , M ( no date ) An overview of possible pathways to increased
muscular size with Dr. Lester Lee . Available : http// www.maxmuscle.com/research/expanding_genes/default.htm

Volk , E ( 1999 ) The Myostatin Gene [ online ] Available :
http//www.thinkmuscle.com/exclusive/volk/myostatin.htm [ 1999 , December
13 (Volume 2 , Number 20 ) www.halesoptimumphysique.com
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ultragainz

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posted December 26, 2000 04:41 PM

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hey my friends trying to get it i guess from farmers.but if he gets it watchout MR.O ultragainz is right behind you!!!!lol.
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ultragainz

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posted December 26, 2000 04:48 PM

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bro what company makes it?
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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 26, 2000 04:54 PM

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Lots of different companies are doing research on the effects as well as the implications of this 'super drug'.

Bare minimum of 2 years before anyone will be able to get their hands on this.

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ultragainz

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posted December 26, 2000 04:56 PM

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DAMN IT!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!so theres no why uh,what about other countries?????????
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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 26, 2000 05:04 PM

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I quote from the article:

"Further research needs to be done with humans before we fully understand Myostatins role in human muscle. Some of the research done on animals looks very
promising, but we are not animals. The biggest problem facing Myostatin research at
this time is funding for this type of research.

Federal funding is unlikely for performance enhancement research. Scientists believe it is possible that inhibition of Myostatin could possibly help in treating muscle wasting
diseases. If this theory proves reliable it is possible that federal authorities would support Myostatin research for medical purposes."

It is for these reasons that you will not be able to come accross this for a long time.

It may be possible that someone with necessary funding will carry out the research needed in the expectations of owning the patent for this drug. As it stands there is already one man carrying out research on this and how safe it is for human use.

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ultragainz

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posted December 26, 2000 05:05 PM

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damn my friend just got a hold of a lab you think they well give it to him?but its not in the u.s.
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ultragainz

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posted December 26, 2000 05:08 PM

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damn bro no need to post that...that just put my hopes down.nice going
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posted December 26, 2000 06:50 PM

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Too good to be true....

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Primo57

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posted December 26, 2000 11:19 PM

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Interesting, but like previously stated drugs of this nature will encounter tons of obstacles before reaching the market...and
our genes are much different from cows and
chickens. I think we will all be old farts before we will be able to safely apply this
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posted December 26, 2000 11:25 PM

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That's OK. I'll be a ripped 400 pounder at age 80.


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posted December 27, 2000 12:31 AM

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ultra, i have done quite a bit of reseach on the stuff. We are not gonna be able to get our hands on it for quite some time and when we do, its gonna be expensive as hell. As for the mr O comment, sorry again but prolly not gonna happen. The lab has done blood tests on many BBers including Flex. Supposedly flex and some others are allready missing there myostatin gene.

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FYI:...myostatin is not a gene, but a protein...there is a gene that causes myostatin to be produced...this gene may be absent or defective in some (like the above post mentioned, some bodybuilders and football players were tested in SF)... myostatin is a "brake" or "limiting" factor on muscle growth...a genetic boundary??...but there is no need to modify the gene to stop "producing" it as it may produce other things as well, just develop an antibody for the protein...these are called human myostatin antibodies...and are available from immuno. labs worldwide....the trick is in determining dosage and frequency...some vaccines are once a year....some more frequent...do some serious research and you will find this out, and then you can go and experiment on yourself...or you can send me $10,000 and i'll point you in the right direction....good luck...Z


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http://www.biovendor.com/

yall wanna try it ?? here it is , AT 200$ US per .1mg. and 1000$ for a full 1mg.

Cat. No.: RD181005220
Introduction:
Myostatin (GDF-8) is expressed uniquely in human skeletal muscle as a 12 kDa mature glycoprotein consisting of 113 amino acid residues and secreted into plasma. Myostatin is a member of the transforming growth factor-� superfamily of secreted growth and differentiation factors that is essential for proper regulation of skeletal muscle mass. Studies have shown that myostatin could play an important role in cardiac development and physiology.
Specification: Anti-Human Myostatin Antibody was raised in bovine against recombinant human myostatin.
Specificity: The recombinant human myostatin is 100% homologous with the human serum myostatin.
Source of Antigen: E. coli
Host: Bovine
Purification Method: Immunoaffinity chromatography on a column with immobilized human myostatin
Antibody Content: 0.1 mg (determined by BCA method)
Titer: ELISA: >1:100,000 for antibody concentration 1 mg/ml
Formulation: Sterile filtered and lyophilized from 2 mg/ml in 0.2 M phosphate buffer, 0.2 M NaCl, pH 7.2
Reconstitution: Add 0.1 ml of deionized water and let the lyophilized pellet dissolve completely. Slight turbidity may occur after reconstitution, which does not affect activity of the antibody. In this case clarify the solution by centrifugation.
Storage: Store lyophilized antibody at 2-8�C. Aliquot the product after reconstitution to avoid repeated freezing/thawing cycles and store frozen at -80�C. Reconstituted antibody can be stored at 4�C for a limited period of time; it does not show decline in activity after two weeks at 4�C.
Stability/Shelf Life: The lyophilized antibody remains stable and fully active until the expiry date when stored at 4�C.
Quality Control Test: ELISA - to determine titer of the antibody
Applications: ELISA, Western blotting
Note: The Anti-Human Myostatin Bovine Polyclonal Antibody is for research use only.

References:
McPherron A.C. and Lee S.J.: Double muscling in cattle due to mutations in the myostatin gene. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 94, 12457-12461 (1997)

Sharma M. et al.: Myostatin, a transforming growth factor � superfamily member, is expressed in heart muscle and is upregulated in cardiomyocytes after infarct. Journal of Cellular Physiology 180:1-9 (1999)

Gonzalez-Cadavid N.F., Taylor W.E. et al.: Organization of the human myostatin gene and expression in heathy men and HIV-infected men with muscle wasting. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 95, 14938-14943 (1998)

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posted December 27, 2000 11:16 AM

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Nice. Research will be interesting. We'll have to keep an eye on the AMA.

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dannyb20

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Alright, who here is actually going to have the balls to try that antibody on themself???
anybody??


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Me!!

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back2basics

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Interesting...only I haven't got the balls to try it...YET.

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I just ordered it.
Storage may be an issue.

I didn't read anything about andications or administration.

I think it's a scam though, BioVendor that is. They didn't take my CC# or ask for payment options. They just wanted an oder number which I assume is a purchase order number.

It would be cool if they delivered the stuff though.


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I did find some info on Western Blotting @ http://www.okbu.edu/academics/natsci/chemistry/research/western.htm also you can order the ELISA kit. It metions applications on the Biovendor website.
Applications: Western blotting, ELISA

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Also it mentions on the Biovendor site that: "Note: The Human Myostatin-Thioredoxin Fusion Protein is for research use only." I work with a girl who is a Bio Ethics & Chemistry major hehe I might just go talk to her. It will be interesting to see what kind of questions Biovendor will ask in response to our order.

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ultragainz

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bro i well try it but the web site dose not work.well i be the first human to try it?well i "superhuman"?i hope.well i might e-mail some labs telling them that i well try it and be super human so here i come MR.O
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i just sent a e-mail to this lab and told them i want to be super human.lol. and want to try this stuff.i can feel this stuff already just by thinking of it.i feel crazy i think iam turning into superhuman better yet ultrahuman.
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i feel unhuman,why?
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If we really want to get this stuff we should not flood the institution with e-mails requesting the Myostatin, as they might become suspicious?? Just a thought..

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Pretty stupid to risk your life on something that hasn't really been researched on humans yet!!!!

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Let the research begin...

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Code..Keep us posted

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ultragainz

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for know on iam not ultragainz or ultragame.yes that right you can call me ultrahuman.if you ever see a post by me and you well say thats ultrahuman he's a good man.
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i hear that all you need is once a month shoot of this stuff?
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I'd say the probability of an anaphylactic reaction to that antibody is very high. Better be ready for that.

Has anyone given thought to the possibility that perhaps AAS turn off the Myostatin gene? I'm also curious how they are detecting the presence of a muscle gene in the blood? Perhaps they are measuring spillover myostatin from muscle and the use of AAS is turning off protein expression in the muscle.

Anyone have a ref. on the work done with Flex and other bodybuilders?

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Here is what I have found so far...

Three type of blottings exist:
Southern Blot, which analyzes DNA
Northern Blot, which analyzes RNA
and Western Blot, which analyzes proteins.


Here's a description of western blotting:
(MORE COMMONLY REFERED TO AS Gel Electrophoresis)

Western blotting is just a technique to determine what type of proteins can exist in any sample (for example, an onion skin, human blood, hair, etc.) by separating the proteins based on molecular weight. An electric current is run through a gel, which pushes the proteins of various weights across the gel. Then from the "photograph" the proteins leave behind, you can tell what proteins are in the sample.

Here's a better website to describe the method:
http://esg-www.mit.edu:8001/esgbio/rdna/rdna.html

I am also going to talk to a professor to find out more about this particular protein. This weekend I am going to go to the library and look on Lexus nexus to look into any medical research that has been done with Myostatin. Just a start, should be interesting.

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If any of you guys are going to go through with it, please keep us updated as you go along. I'm curious whether or not you will actually be able to buy this stuff. Just let us know


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