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pd

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posted December 26, 2000 02:32 PM

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Hey bros, I'm planning my cutting cycle for the summer, but have never used most of the following steroids.

Equipoise, either Sustanon or Enanthate, Clenbuterol, Cynomel (T3), and either Anavar or Winistrol, Nolva or Provirion, Clomid and HCG. Primobolan would be nice, but can't afford it right now with buying everything else.

So, can you reply which kind of each your favorite and would recommend? Also if you would add or take anything out. Thanks.

Equipoise:
..Ganabol 50cc. 50mg/ml
..Ultragan 10cc. 100mg/ml (Denkall)
..Boldenona 50. (Gen-Far)
..any others?

Testsosterones:
..Durateston 250 (Sust by Organon)
..Nile Sustanon 250 (Sust by Organon)
..Polysteron 250(Sust by Organon)
..Cyctahoh-250 (Russian Sustanon by Eupharma Laboratories Ltd, India.)
.T-200 Enanthate (Brovel)

Clenbuterol
..Oxyflux
..Spiropent
..Any Others?

Anavar
..ttokkyo
..Spa labs

Winistrol
..Stanosus 50 - 20cc 50mg/ml. (Jurox from Australia).
..Zambon
..tabs or injectables better?


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Jeff_rys

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posted December 26, 2000 02:39 PM

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Winstrol over Primo if cutting is your main target

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PapaSmurf428

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posted December 26, 2000 03:31 PM

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Wghat is your bf%? I(f its relatively low take stanosus. Itook some and am about to take it again. Its awesome. I would do the injections rather than the pills. Its a 17aa so watch the liver bro.


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Hardcore4Evr

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posted December 26, 2000 03:38 PM

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Im about to start my pre-contest cycle in about 2 weeks.
Aratest
Ttokkyo Deca
IP's 50mg Winny tabs
Clenbuterol (oxyflux)
T-3 Cynomel
Halo's

Ill be working on how the layout is in the next week. That is a pretty good cycle, but you could also substitute Deca for EQ if you wanted. I just have never taken deca, and i have taken EQ. Just want to give it a try. If you can get stanosus at a decent price, then go for that. If i were to pick a type of EQ to go with, i would say Ultragan and Ultragan ONLY! Very accurate dosage, and very clean!

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pd

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posted December 26, 2000 05:12 PM

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Hey Jeff - yes cutting is my primary goal for the summer. I am in the middle of a sust and deca cycle now, and making some very good gains. I'm pretty short, so I don't want to add another 20 more pounds and look misproportional, so that is why I want to get shredded rather than absolutely huge.


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pd

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posted December 26, 2000 05:17 PM

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PapaSmurf - last time I tested for BF, the estimate was around 6-8% - pretty cut up. Now with the added calories during the sust/deca cycle, I can tell I'm losing definition, but gaining weight. One competitor still estimated me around 10%, but I'm only half way through, I'm sure it might go up a little more. Just tring to eat clean, and started the hard abs workouts again recently. As for stansos being Alpha-Alkylated 17 - I quit all drinking, and hopefully the milk thistle will help. It will also be my first experience with AA17 drugs.


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pd

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posted December 26, 2000 05:26 PM

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Hardcore - thanks for your opinions! Can you fill me in more on why you chose winny tabs rather than injectables, or oxyflux rather than spriropent? Because of availability, price, or quality? Just want all sides of the issues before making an order. Thank you!


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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 26, 2000 05:28 PM

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*******Sust****Winny*****Clen***Proviron
Wk 01**500mgs********(see below)
Wk 02**500mgs
Wk 03**500mgs**350mgs/wk********50mgs/day
Wk 04**500mgs**350mgs/wk********50mgs/day
Wk 05**500mgs**350mgs/wk********50mgs/day
Wk 06**500mgs**350mgs/wk********
Wk 07**500mgs**350mgs/wk********50mgs/day
Wk 08**500mgs**300mgs/wk********50mgs/day
Wk 09*Clomid 100mgs/day*********50mgs/day
Wk 10 Clomid 100mgs/day
wk 11 Clomid 50mgs/day
Wk 12 Clomid 50mgs/day

You could add the Eq in there as well if you wanted.

Clen 16 days on 14 off and Eca in between.

Try and up the clen to 7/day from as soon as you start. If you get too many sides (muscle cramps and so on) then cut back but try to work up to 7 / day. It helps to drink water and shit loads of it when using clen as well as potassium. In between clen use ECA for 2 wks.

Use T3 for 21 days, from wk 6.

Take 1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,3,4,4,4,3,3,3,2,2,2,1,1,1

each represents 1 tabs at 25mcgs. Eat a high protein diet and cut back on carbs and all bad fats.

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pd

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posted December 26, 2000 05:47 PM

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Iron Game- thank you for the cycle set up! For the Equipose, would you recommend running it at 300mg/ml weeks 1-8, or putting it in later on, like weeks 2-10? (because the test will still be hanging around then) Also - I've read all the stuff about test is test, but how do you think Enanthate (rather than sust) would react with the Eq, Winny, Clen, and Cynomel? I know it doesn't stay in the system as long as sust, but since I'm on sust now, would my body react differently to the enanthate? thanks!


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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 26, 2000 06:13 PM

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From week 2 to week 9 (8 wks), at 400mgs/wk if you can afford the extra cost.

The reason I said the sust over the enanthate is because sust tends to hold slighlty less water. However the Enanthate will kick in faster and you will notice results slightly quicker. Since you are using Proviron and T3 and drinking shit loads of water you will not have any problems with water retention.

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RRECEIVER

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posted December 26, 2000 06:56 PM

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i was thinking about trying this one:


-------fina---winny---primo--clomid--proviron
week1--75eod---------------------------------
week2--75eod---------------------------------
week3--75eod---------------------------------
week4--75eod---------------------------------
week5--75eod--50ed---------------------------
week6--75eod--50ed---------------------------
week7---------50ed------------100ed----------
week8---------50ed------------50ed-----------
week9-----------------300mgs-----------------
week10----------------300mgs-----------------
week11----------------300mgs-----------------
week12----------------300mgs-----------------
week13----------------300mgs-----------------
week14----------------300mgs-----------------
week15------------------------100ed-----75ed-
week16------------------------50ed------75ed-

a little complicated i guess but i think it would be a sweet stack nonetheless. oh yeah i threw the clomid in midcycle because i know that fina is the biggest nutkiller of the stack. proviron at the end to help with the end cycle drop in libido.


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pd

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posted December 26, 2000 10:08 PM

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RRECEIVER - thanks for your ideas on your cycle. I thought about fina, winny, and primo, but a friend of mine didn't like some of the side-effects of fina, and for me the primo was too expensive to add to everything else. But, good luck with it!

One question though - why Provirion instead of Nolva- is it better? Thanks.


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PerfectRep

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posted December 27, 2000 12:17 AM

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I'd go with maybe EQ, Winny,Anavar, and test prop. You need to keep some test in there, it will really help keep you hard and from losing muscle while dieting.


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RRECEIVER

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posted December 27, 2000 01:21 AM

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well pd first of all you shouldnt really need nolvadex for my cycle cause none of these drugs will readily convert to estrogen. the difference between proviron and nolvadex is that proviron keeps steroids from aromatizing to estrogen whereas nolvadex simply keeps estrogen from binding to receptor sites. so you could say that proviron solves the problem at the root and nolvadex merely hides the symtoms. and also proviron will give your lacking libido the kick that it needs postcycle.


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thermo

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posted December 27, 2000 01:25 AM

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winny,eq,primo,clen


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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 27, 2000 04:43 AM

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Proviron prevents aromatization of steroids. Nolva blocks the effects once the steroids have aromatized by binding to the receptors. When you stop using the Nolva the estrogen will then be able to attach to the receptors, the rebound effect.

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Tomo

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posted December 28, 2000 01:43 AM

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i would add fina-tomo


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