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dissto

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posted December 24, 2000 03:00 PM

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help me out
im 6feet 210 12%bf training for 3 years
this will be my fourth cycle

week....dbol.....test....deca.....winny
1........6/day....1000...600......
2.........7.......1000...600
3.........8.......750....600......50mg eod
4.........6.......500....450......50mg eod
5.........4.......500....450......50 eod
6.........3..............450......50 ED
7........................450......50 ED
8........................300......100 ED
9........................300......50 ED
10.......................300......50 eod


some rationale behind this.
test will be sust 250, shot 250 mg eod to take advantage of the prop. i figure that by week 5 i will have anough of a test buildup to carry me to week 9. originaly i was only going to do deca at 450 a week but i have a lot of it. winny will be half injected and half pills. i dont want to hear anyone say that i should not shoot winny. i have enough experience with it to know that it workes better when i shoot it. and i got all the products for the aftermath as well as gyno problems....so tell me what you think


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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 24, 2000 03:04 PM

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Whatever you decide dont taper the dbol in that way. Try 30mgs/day straight for 5 or 6 wks.


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dissto

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posted December 24, 2000 03:12 PM

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why not taper???


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greenhouse

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posted December 24, 2000 03:19 PM

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I would like to hear about you shooting EOD... But, have you done Deca at 600mg before?


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted December 24, 2000 03:22 PM

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You can taper,but it's not really necessary on this particular cycle.The reason?By about the fourth week or so,your system will be so flooded with androgens from the sust,that it will completely make up for the abscence of the d-bol,even if you cold-turkey it.


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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 24, 2000 03:28 PM

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I posted this before but couldn't find it so here it is again:

"Tapering is a Waste of Time

Typical cycles are designed in a tapered fashion, starting low and slowly rising to the maximum dose. Once the maximum dose is reached, these cycles begin to steadily decline in dose to reach a very small amount at the end. The theory behind these cycles is as follows: At the start of the program, the body doesn't require much in the way of anabolics to grow. As the cycle progresses and growth occurs, more steroid is needed to maintain growth. At the peak of the cycle, the amount of steroid is slowly decreased to allow the body to return to a normal hormonal state. This ensures that the body does not experience a shock as the endogenous production of androgens has been restored through the gradual tapering of exogenous androgens.

Unfortunately, this theory of cycling is flawed. Designing cycles in this fashion usually ensures that the optimum level of steroid to induce growth is only present in the body for a short period. Most of the cycle is either spent climbing towards this goal or retreating from it in the hopes of restoring the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis.

When designing a cycle, the very first question that must be answered is what is the peak mg amount of steroid that will be used during the course of the program. This amount of steroid should be used for most of the cycle, with little fluctuation at the beginning and end. This ensures that an adequate dose of steroid is being used to induce growth throughout the length of the cycle.

Concerns over maintaining or restoring proper function of the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis (HPTA) are easily addressed via the use of a variety of pharmaceuticals. Once endogenous production of androgens has been halted due to excessive levels of androgens in the blood, the only effective methods of restoring normal hormonal function is by cleaning out or the use of pharmaceuticals like clomiphen or HCG. Tapering to restore normal hormonal function is a waste of time since it can easily be restored using these drugs"

In short there is no point in tapering the dbol. Keep the dose you want to peak at and use that throughout your 5 or 6 weeks. Split your doses up evenly throughout the entire day and make sure you take one every 3.5 to 4 hours.

Either way when you stop the dianabol you are going to lose the water. If you taper you are just going to make the water go at a slower pace, in the end the water will go and leave what you have gained. Because you are using other steroids past the time at which you stop the dbol you dont need to worry about tapering the dbol.

Personally I dont taper either way because of the obvious points raised above.

And yes 600mgs/wk = 6cc's /wk on top of the sust. Keep it at 400mgs/wk for however long you are going to be using it. You can try Eq instead if worried about the water added on top of the sust's.


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dissto

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posted December 24, 2000 03:31 PM

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i have not done that much deca before. is it too much? i think the winny will take care of the progesterone. how does the cycle look otherwise??/


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WCP

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posted December 24, 2000 03:43 PM

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This is how I would run it.

**Dbol*****Sust******Deca*****Winny****
1)5/day****1000mg****400mg****50mg/day
2)5/day****1000mg****400mg****50mg/day
3)5/day****1000mg****400mg****50mg/day
4)5/day****1000mg****400mg****50mg/day
5)*********1000mg****400mg****50mg/day
6)*********1000mg****400mg****50mg/day
7)*******************400mg****50mg/day
8)*******************400mg****50mg/day
9)*******************200mg****50mg/day
10)******************200mg****50mg/day


The sust will taper itself off, no reason to taper the dbol in this cycle, and using deca for that long I would take no chances with progesterone and use the winny ed.

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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 24, 2000 03:45 PM

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If I were you I would go with WCP's cycle he put together for you.

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