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 How Exactly Does an AS "Solidify gains?"
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Freak 
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Say you do a cycle of sust only. Now if you added primo to this cycle, according to what I understand you will keep more gains because of this. How exactly does this work? Is it because you just gain a bit more from the primo, and what you gain is quality that will stick, or is it because the primo lets you down easier at the end if you run it after the test? My question is, say you gain 20 lbs. from the test alone, and keep 10. If you add the primo, would you gain say, 30 lbs. and keep 15? Or would you gain 25 or so, but keep 15? If this doesn't make sense then sorry, but I'm a bit tired...     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 65 |
S-Y-N-E-R-G-Y!!----happy? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 115 |
I've heard two ways of "solidifying" gains. first is simply keeping more. When you stack deca with sus you keep more because of the deca. There's a lot of water weight with test and dbol sometimes. Waterweight is not a solid gain. The second is that I've heard that some as such as primo actually help muscles become more dense so instead of big puffy muscles you have smaller more "quality" muscle. ------------------ In the Great words of Brad Knight "Lift it pussy!" | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 4956 |
Primobolan is a non-aromitizing androgen.Because it does not aromitize,less water is gained,as a result,less is excreted post cycle,giving the illusion that more muscle was kept,than say, if test only was used.What occurs most of the time is the athlete runs the primo well past the testosterone,so even though he's eliminating water weight from the test,the primo is making up that difference in lean,quality muscle mass as he's finishing off his cycle.So the appearence is that he"solidified"his gains,because less apparent overall weight was lost.And the "hardening up"is merely the cosmetic elimination of subcutaneous water... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 451 |
you can make preety much anything non-aromitizing by taking armidex? Then what.... whatever you take (sus/dbol...) should be 100% gains? aky ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 257 |
great post frac  ive always wondered the same thing.narcissist(sp?) if you answer another thread with the word "SYNERGY" ill rip your head off!!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 807 |
No AS help retain another AS's gain. Some just don't create the water retention therefore there are no gains(water) to piss away and create weight loss. Use of and anti-estrogen will help with water retention issues thus making gains of more androgenic substances appear more permanant. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 562 |
The idea is as valid as "cleaning receptors". I know people who have kept the majority of their gains on things like methandrostenolone or oxymetholone, while I have seen people lose all of their gains on very extravagant cycles using so-called "solidifying" drugs. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 208 |
You guys have mentioned the role of water-retention in the so-called "solidifying" process. But you make it sound like there is no such thing as "solidifying," that it is all just an illusion. (Which it very well may be, i'm just offering up another idea.) But what about the impact of hormone levels on how well you maintain your gains post-cycle? For instance, in the above example, you do a sust only cycle. At the end of the cycle, your hormone levels crash, due to being at such a high level artificially as a result of using a drug with strong androgenic properties. So instead, you use Primobolan at the end, which is almost entirely anabolic. So while your hormone levels are stabilizing after the use of the heavy androgen, the anabolic properties of the Primo are allowing you to hold onto that extra muscle, even with your hormones in flux. Perhaps it is simply a matter of having a drug to carry you through that window where you natural hormone levels are stabilizing? ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1182 |
Good theory StoneColdGold. I don't know if your right or wrong, but I did the exact thing you are talking about in my last cycle. Came off test and then ran the primobolan @ 300mg/week for 6 weeks. I found that I kept more, strength and size than with previous cycles where I had not done this. Might have helped, who knows??? ------------------ |
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posted December 23, 2000 02:04 AM
