Shooting in a vein:

Now this is bad. When i told him i was on a discussion board and blew the question in his face he could not believe his ears.
He said to me, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO PULL BACK.
He injected me last year with Deca and all the time i thought he stabbed me and shot it in. It seems that (this was stated here before by someone else) doctors and nurses DO pull back when shooting ROIDS. They do it really fast. Anyway my doc assumed I was not pulling back (give me a break).
Now as for shooting 1 or 2 cc roids in your vein, this is what happens: thanks to the oilbased roids your blood cludges and then it travels trough your body and can attach hitself anywhere. It can get in your liver, kidneys, stomach, any organ, heart as well, giving you an heart attack, even get in your brains and you get a "brain" attack (how else can i call it).
We are not talking about one or two drops here.

Even shooting in a vein with a waterbased roid like Winny is not cool. There are cristals that can attach together or can attach some where in your body and stay there. But they can get back in your blood stream when the attachment let go.

So in fact shooting in a vein with roids is like having a time bomb in your body.
Again i stress, this is a doc that claims this. If the reader believes this or not, i myself do not really care (if i cannot win a fight, like this one, i quit).

Simply trying to open the eyes of some guys who think "anything goes".

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Jeff

The 17-alpha alkylation was developed for a two-fold purpose:

1. The drug can survive the digestive tract
   
2. The drug requires MULTIPLE passes through the liver to be broken down.
   

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Jeff

Thanks Jeff...

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Don't put off to tomorrow what you can do today.

This post was pure sharing information:

When my good doc (who gives me Primobolan prescriptions really generously) tells me:

don't shoot oil based roids in a vein
dont't shoot waterbased roids in a vein
don't drink any roid that was meant to be taken I.M. (Although this will not do you any harm physically).
Always pull back (and i must say this again, when i posed him the question he looked at me as if i was an idiot)

well then i follow his advice.
It's like driving through a red light, sure you can get away with it, even over a hundred times, but one day....

So never give an inch, life is really too short.

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Jeff

I am and always am going to be on the side of in favour on injecting over drinking winstrol depot. The fact that it is aa17 both ways, it is clear that you are going to lose some of its effectivness when it passes through the liver for the first time. This could be anywhere between 1% and 10% probably in the lower range. Why pay all that money when you can get tablets cheaper (powders and in 5mg tabs works out cheaper than injectables) and then wasting some of the money by taking orally when you bought what was intended to inject.

There is no reasonable argument for those who worry about being infected because it was meant for veterinary purposes. Human products are 99.99% pure Veterinary winny comes in at 99.90% pure. If using correct injection sterilisation procedure you will not get infected. Even if you do it is probably from the syringe or dirt on the injection site rather than from the winny.

Other veterinary products, there are probably some that would be un pure. Those are a different story.

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Jeff

Yes that goes for any oral. Grapefruit juice and only GFJ, not OJ or anything else, for some reason researchers can not explain, occupies the first enzyme that breaks down your oral meds. This then allows the med to keep a greater potency as it enters you bloodstream. In other words more bang for the buck.

Most doctors don't know dick about gear. And any doctor who is willing to put their license on the line to inject someone with something they can't even prescribe is definately a moron.

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Jeff

The winny I get is the Stanizolic from Mexico -- the cheapest stanazolol I can find. And, yes, I drink it with good results. I don't need the daily needle sticks and extra risk of infections or abcesses.

Shoot Ref-B is just plain stupid. There's simply no reason for it. Ref-B as far as I know is the only form of d-bol that's made as a liquid, and it's known not to be the most sanitary of products. And many can vouge that they get excellent results taking this orally.

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Jeff

First off, this sentence makes no sense. There is no waste in the stomach, steroids are very stable molecules and can easily withstand the environment of the GI.

"Never ever would he himself drink the Winny when it was meant to shoot."

Second, using a Dr. as a source of authority on pharmacology is not helping you out that much. Do you realise that most Dr's get only around a 6 week course in pharmacology; the rest that they learn is not dealing with pharmacology, but simply what drugs are appropriate for what condition. IF your Dr. thinks that stanazolol was not made to be used orally, then you may need to question more of his ideas...definately don't drop him, since he is supplying you with Primo.

"When you shoot the Winny it gets right in your bloodstream WITHOUT passing the liver (where it gets broken down). All you have to do it get your roid, whatever roid, in the bloodstream and you are homefree. This means it does NOT have to past your liver to get in your body."

Injected Winny does enter the bloodstream after injection, but it does so at a slow rate, since it is in the form of a crystalline suspension. The crystals dissolve at a certain rate and enter the bloodstream. Injected stanazolol should have LOWER blood concentrations than oral for this very reason: the entry into the blood is dependant on the dissolution rate. The oral form will enter the bloodstream faster and peak at a higher level, although it will be excreted faster.

"This is my answer, after shooting myself insane with PGF2a, i cannot understand that someone wants to drink any roid, especially when it was ment to shoot."

You cannot understand or you don't want to believe? Winstrol was meant to be injected as much as Valium was meant to be injected, you are confusing formulations with activity.

As for the grapefruit juice idea, this is due to naringen and quercetin, which both are known to inhibit hepatic mixed-function enzymes. Many people have actually been sent to the hospital for taking certain medications and drinking GF juice.

And i did shoot myself insane with the PGF2a.

As for shooting the Revorfit, i would only do that if it was meant to. I never will use it, so...