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xtreemrush

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posted December 22, 2000 06:58 AM

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Hi,

Please crtique this cycle:

Weeks 1-6...Dbol (6,6,5,5,4,4)
Weeks 1-10 Sus @ 750mg/week (M,W,F)
Weeks 1-10 Deca 400mg/week
Weeks 6-11 Fina 75mg/eod
Weeks 6-11 Primo 300mg/week
Weeks 1-6 T3 @ .25mcgday
Weeks 0-13 Clomid 1 eod...last 2 weeks 1/day
Weeks 1-11 Proviron 50mg/day

Of course Nolv. on hand...milk thistle religiously, and maybe some propecia (not sure if i will need this one).


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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 22, 2000 07:06 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by xtreemrush:
Hi,

Please crtique this cycle:

Weeks 1-6...Dbol (6,6,5,5,4,4)
Weeks 1-10 Sus @ 750mg/week (M,W,F)
Weeks 1-10 Deca 400mg/week
Weeks 6-11 Fina 75mg/eod
Weeks 6-11 Primo 300mg/week
Weeks 1-6 T3 @ .25mcgday
Weeks 0-13 Clomid 1 eod...last 2 weeks 1/day
Weeks 1-11 Proviron 50mg/day

Of course Nolv. on hand...milk thistle religiously, and maybe some propecia (not sure if i will need this one).



Seems like a great well thought of cycle. Glad to see you are injecting sust 3 times/week.

What I would change:

1. T3 use at 25mcgs / day from week 3-9 not from 1-6.
2. Dont use Proviron every day for 11 wks at 50mgs/day. The 1 major side of Proviron ususally shows up after 3 wks of use. So use for 3 wks on 2 wks off or 3 wks on 10 days off. Make sure this fits in with using for the first 3 wks of the end of your cycle.
3. I would use Clomid until wk 14. Remember sust is long acting so will still be in your system at wk 13, albeit in small doses. I would use EOD from wk 2 to 11 and then 10mgs/day for 1 wk, 100mgs for the second week then 50mgs and 50 mgs for the 4 weeks after.

All in all one good looking cycle bro.

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xtreemrush

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posted December 22, 2000 07:27 AM

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TIG, thanks for the input...just curious as to why move back the T3? My thinking was concurrent with Dbol to increase the protein synth. (Just trying to learn, not questioning your advice). Also, what effects of the Proviron do you refer to?


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cyborg

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posted December 22, 2000 08:07 AM

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I would say start the T3 from wk1 - for me i dont seem to notice an increase of metabolic rate until the end of the second week of T3 . . .

Just my 2c, but this is what works for me.
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Gettinhard

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posted December 22, 2000 10:53 AM

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i only have one question? why shot the sus 3 times a week do you like to be a pin cushion? Yes split up the doses but no need for 3 shots do 2 a week 1 shot with 1cc and 1 shot with 2 cc's unless you just want the extra scare tissue...3 shots make no sense at all.......think about it bro...

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RooTShell

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posted December 22, 2000 11:33 AM

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I belive that the Sus should be shot 3 ties a wk for the first 3 wks. Once the esters start to kick in you can shot the 750mg in the same day

My 2 cents

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The_Iron_Game

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posted December 22, 2000 11:56 AM

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If the Fina you are using is oral, Dmso, sublingual then I would recommend shooting the sust 3 times a week. However if Fina is injectable then you have quite a few injectables in there, the Deca (4cc's/wk) the Sust (3cc's/wk) and the Fina (75mgs EOD).

As the gentleman above stated this would be a lot of injections. Sust and Deca ain't that bad. You can inject once a week in each bodypart (quads, glutes, delts) and stil have a few bodyparts left over if you dont wish to inject every week in the same bodypart.

The reason I use T3 in cycles from the third week instead of the first week is because of this: You have been off for a while and receptors are fresh, you then start a cycle and cause a sudden influx of anabolic hormones in your body. This causes a sudden and massive increase in protein synthesis. After about the third week your body has accepted and gotten used to the new changes (increase in certain hormones that are causing an increase in protein synthesis) and so this is where the T3 comes into the equation. T3 is the third most anabolic hormone in the body and by supplementing with 25mcgs or under you are increasing this anabolic state of your body. If used in higher doses then the T3 starts becoming catabolic. The fact is if you are using dbol then you are already gonna have a huge increase in protein synthesis. You have never heard of anyone complaining about the results or effects of dbol have you? For size and strength it is very powerful. It would be better to use the T3 from wk 4-10 in my opinion not from wk 1.

As I have said above this is my opinion and I know a few people out there would agree. Others may not. If you do not wish to inject so much I would use Cyp or Enanthate. If you can get hold of Testoviron Depot then do so. Same mgs/ml as Sust (250mgs/ml) and you can shoot twice a week with great results. Dont get me wrong if you shoot sust twice a week the results wont be too noticeably different than if you shot 3 times a week t because the prop in there as you already know it is better to try and keep stable. That said the prop from 750mgs/wk is neglible.

Just to clarify one thing, If you are taking 700mgs of an injectable test then it would be, in theory far better to inject 100mgs every day rather than 700mgs once. However this is not always practical. The aim is to keep levels of any substance stable. This is why people recommend dbol every four hours, sust more than once a week, winny every day or every other day (ed of course being better) and so on.

The side of Proviron that I was reffering to was prolonged and or continous errections which became much more likely after 3 wks of use at 50mgs/day.
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xtreemrush

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posted December 22, 2000 10:20 PM

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thanks bro's for the help. TIG, that "side-effect" might not be that bad. )


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