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ajc

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posted December 21, 2000 04:14 PM

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With this huge debate, it just dawned on me that I've never seen a doctor "pull back".

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KODIAK99

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posted December 21, 2000 04:19 PM

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Ajc, I have to be honest, my doctor doesn't come over and inject my 3cc oils into to me. I've gotten a couple of flu shots in my day and maybe a tetnis but never an anabolic shot at the MD. . .I'm not sure what he'd do, but I'd hope he'd check not to inject a major blood vessel with 3cc of oil. . .

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ajc

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posted December 21, 2000 04:27 PM

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That's obviously not what I meant. When they inject a vaccine or whatever (into your shoulder, for example) they never ever pull back. I don't think that 1cc or 3cc of any solution, oil or water would be safe to inject into a vein. When they take blood, they have to specifically look for a vein on your forearem. The more I think about it, the more I just don't think that there is a risk.


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latona

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posted December 21, 2000 04:28 PM

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Do nurses count? I've seen them do it. But like Kodiak said, most injections you get at the doc aren't intramuscular, or don't involve needles over 1.5" so it's not the same thing.

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vdevil

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posted December 21, 2000 04:33 PM

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I have gotten allergy shots over the past 15 years. Literally hundreds. The doctor never aspirated once. Never!!! Believe me, i watched him very closely.
I have done 5 or so cycles to date. I have never aspirated once. I have never had one single complication from an injection, Never!


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Thaibox

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posted December 21, 2000 04:34 PM

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My x-girlfriend's a nurse. When she found out I was using, she made sure that I was aspirating. She says that she always does with IM shots, and made a big deal out of it.

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sbaset

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posted December 21, 2000 04:40 PM

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I need to correct some of the other posts:

First of all, MOST injections you get from a doc are intramuscular. I'm talking about antibitics, vaccinations, even cortico-steriods. They NEVER inject flu shots or antibiotics into the vein as was mentioned in a previous post. The only time I've ever had a needle in my vein was when I recieved a blood test. You might also get something in the vein during a surgery, IV..etc.

As far as pulling back goes, I've never seen a doctor or a nurse to it. Like a said on another thread, the simply stab the needle into me a punch it through...ouch...next time, I'll ask to do it myself. My guess is that docs and nurse are pro's, and in most cases, they know where the veins are, and know how to avoid them..probably in their sleep.


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Bchemist

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posted December 21, 2000 04:44 PM

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I get allergy shots too. And I asked the nurse about aspirating. I told her that I don't see her doing it. She said that she does by flicking the plunger back the instant before injecting. It is a technique that many nurses do. And she also told me that if you were to inject into a blood vessel with an allergin, you could anaphlax within seconds vs. intramuscular which takes 20 min and could easily be controlled.

And I don't know why you people want to keep this debate going....there is no point. If you don't aspirate, YOU ARE WRONG!!! People who don't take necessary precautions are why we have "statistics" in the first place.


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Wfabrizio

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posted December 21, 2000 05:47 PM

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OK, this is getting out of hand....I used to be a paramedic about 6 years ago and believe me, it is heavily stressed to always aspirate. Like the post mentioned above, after giving hundreds of shots you develop a technique. You don't have to pull the plunger very far back to aspirate. If you are in a vein, any movement of that plunger backwards will immediately draw blood into the syringe thereby indicating placement inside a vein.


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Green

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posted December 21, 2000 05:48 PM

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Yes everytime i've seen them inject they do....
Period..........


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ajc

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posted December 21, 2000 05:50 PM

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Period? Even with scrotum injections?


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the mutant

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posted December 21, 2000 09:48 PM

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AJc,
have you done scrotom injections?????
Were trhe results quicker?????
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Eramthgin

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posted December 21, 2000 09:49 PM

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Never seen a doc do it.

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posted December 21, 2000 10:29 PM

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I have a dr's appointment on Wednesday and I'll ask if it's important.
But I know they do not do this frequently.

My father-in-law gives himself insulin shots almost daily, never seen him aspirate either.

Although, since someone feels there are measurable statistics on the amount of people who die each year from not aspirating- I'd like to see them. (Seriously, not being a wise guy)


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Stan O'Zolol

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posted December 21, 2000 10:47 PM

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Who is this Dr. Asspirate?


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posted December 21, 2000 11:26 PM

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Aspiration should be an intricate part of the injection technique. When administering spinals, once the needle has penetrated the spinal canal,cerebo spinal fluid will flow. You then attach the syringe filled with the anesthetic to the spinal needle.You ASPIRATE, if you see a "swirl",you know that you are in the correct position. Injecting without aspirating is playing with fire. But what the hell, what are complications related to vein injection compared to wasting--mg's of your favorite growth formula???


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ajc

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posted December 21, 2000 11:50 PM

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Originally posted by tucker:
Aspiration should be an intricate part of the injection technique. When administering spinals, once the needle has penetrated the spinal canal,cerebo spinal fluid will flow. You then attach the syringe filled with the anesthetic to the spinal needle.You ASPIRATE, if you see a "swirl",you know that you are in the correct position. Injecting without aspirating is playing with fire. But what the hell, what are complications related to vein injection compared to wasting--mg's of your favorite growth formula???

Damn bro! I don't know about you, but I wouldn't inject into my spine.


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JustWannaBeHuge

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posted December 22, 2000 09:35 AM

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Last week my little girl got a few of her shots, I held her legs to keep her from kicking the needle out of the Dr's hand or hurting herself by flintching. and each shot the Dr gave, she pulled back and made sure she didn't hit a vein.
Shots went great but my little girl was in tears tho =(

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DocJ

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posted December 22, 2000 11:42 AM

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Never...not a M.D. anyways, hehe...

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posted December 22, 2000 02:17 PM

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According to Dr. Ngo, my oncologist in Fremont:
There's no reason to aspirate when administering shots to the glute. Most people who do are just so used to doing it that it's rote for them.

I aspirate when shooting into my calves. I like to shoot prop in my calves because it's easier to massage it in. But it hurts like none other.


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SonOfLotus

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posted December 22, 2000 03:38 PM

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Everyone... take it from me, I DID ASPIRATE and still managed to shoot some tren into a vein!!! My god i thought i was gonna die. NO SHIT!

Those who don't pull back procede with caution my friends... its not fun!

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Dark Stalker

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posted December 22, 2000 05:40 PM

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You have to aspirate ! I've asked nurses about that and it's obvious that you have to aspirate, period.

Now, I had a lot of vaccins when I went in foreign countries and the doc never did...

I don't know why it differs but with AS you aspirate, VERY important !


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MarkM

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posted December 22, 2000 09:16 PM

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I've seen some nurse's do it and some don't and with me it seems like it's been about 50/50. I remember having alergy shots twice a week that went on for two years and they never did with those probably since it was only like 1/2 cc. With 2 or 3 cc's they usually do.

One thing I'll still say is that I have NEVER EVER!!! seen them change out a pin after drawing up the drug. I know this is a hot topic and I got flamed before for saying it but I've never seen it and I don't think very many people have had as many injections as me in my 45 years.


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RRECEIVER

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posted December 22, 2000 09:45 PM

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im sure aspirating is probably heavily stressed in the medical field. i think the reason some doctors dont do it is because theyve been doing it for so many years that they start getting lazy and skipping critical steps. besides its not his life hes fucking with its yours. i will always aspirate because its just one more thing that helps eliminate risk factors. peace. merry christmas. happy poking.


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