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 Huck, E2, Ranger, Thick and other vets --Your opinion -- Do I NEED winny to try deca?
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| Author | Topic: Huck, E2, Ranger, Thick and other vets --Your opinion -- Do I NEED winny to try deca? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Worried about prog-gyno from deca. Never tried it before. I will be stacking test and deca together for 10 weeks. Will be going at about 300 mg/wk on the deca; I have nolva and clomid for the test. Should I worry about getting winny to counteract the deca -- I can get the paperstrol pretty cheap. Just don't want to go through the hassle if it's not necessary. If you say yes, get the winny, what week should I add it in and how many weeks to take it -- I'm thinking a max of 5 wks @ 25 mg ed. Deca is active in system for 2-3 wks -- I would have it in my system for up to 2-3 wks after wk 10, so would starting week 5 or 6 be good, or is it too late to start as I already will have been hitting the deca for the previous weeks? Lots of questions. Here's a summary: 1) Should I be worried about deca gyno @ 300 mg/wk? Hope I'm making sense...Thanks.     | ||
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Moderator 
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Kinda hard to answer, and one of the reasons I am not fond of deca. If you have never used it before......Hmmmmmmmmmmm?? But, 300mg's per week is a small dosage to be concerned about......Horseshit answer Bro, I know. It's just a matter of personal opinion and $$$$$$$ on this one. Ranger | ||
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Guru
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Well,I'm going to ramble on a little bit here,so bare with me.I'm starting to come to a theory that winstrol may be needed to start BEFORE one begins administrating nandrolone,not after.The reason?I don't feel that winstrol can "counteract" deca at the progesterone receptor(P/R),but instead it occupies those receptors that have not already been taken hold of by the nandrolone metabolites.Based on this,I would start the winstrol a week or so BEFORE I introduced any nandrolone derivative into my system,so that it's already effectively occupying as many P/R's as possible,making it more difficult for deca to occupy them.Just my latest .02,which is constantly modifying and adapting,the more I learn.BUT,all of this may be irrelevant,if you're not progesterone sensitive.A lot of individuals never have a problem with deca,and thus winstrol isn't even necessary at all.Your low-end dose of 300mgs/week will probably not aggrevate the P/R in breast tissue,unless you're pre-disposed for gyno already.As to your winny length question,just use a healthy amount of milk-thistle extract as a liver-buffering agent and you can extend its use for quite a while(but anything beyond 8 weeks and I would have some blood work ran,just to check readings and be on the safe side).Hope this is somewhat helpful,and sorry for all my rambling,lol.... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1022 |
Yeah, I know it is a smaller dose -- that's why I'm considering flying without winny. It's not so much a money matter as it is the hassle of ordering, receiving, etc... I can get it cheap, but if I don't have to... But I've also heard some guys say that if you're going to get deca-gyno, you're as likely to get it at a low dose as high dose... Trying to see if there's any consensus among the more experienced... Where's Decaman when you need him? Guess I should have put him in the title too, oops Thanks for the answer. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Thanks Huck. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 157 |
I am personally not a fan of Deca whatsoever, and whenever one of my cleints uses it, they do not exceed 200mgs/wk, in conjunction with usually 2 androgens and one other anabolic drug. I would be more worried about your dick than your tits on Deca alone. Personally, no you don't NEED winny to try deca, but I NEED SEX, and wouldn't want to try anything to risk Mr. Winky's Happiness. About the only thing that will save that is Testo. -MO ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5693 |
Excellent answer huck!! I honestly wouldn't bother with the winny at such a low dose you shouldn't have a problem. Then again if yuo're like ranger and really prone to progesterone induced sides, then it's not a good idea. Generally most aren't as sensetive as Ranger, you know he's an old softy! I'd go for it without the winny. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1022 |
MeanOne -- I'm stacking it with testCyp, so shouldn't be a huge prob., besides, wife is pregnant so I don't need to worry about getting laid anyway... j/k E2 -- lol. Think I will try it without. The only thing I'm paranoid about is if gyno starts to come on, I won't know if it's from the test (which I have clomid and nolva for) or the deca. If I just assume it's the test and take the nolva, and keep hitting the deca (which nolva won't do anything for), I might end up with a nice set of double Ds. | ||
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Moderator
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Heh heh heh.....E2 ya fucker...!!! Ranger PS Got Viagra??? Heh heh heh heh | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 170 |
I like DECA got great gains off off 200mgs to 300mgs for 10 weeks. This was my first cycle so I wasn't aware of the sexual side effects until it was too late. Then I got some test I added 250mgs Omnadren for the last 4 weeks. When I added the test, I really blew up. Did not notice any Gyno symptoms off these dosages. Next cycle will be test and deca! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1472 |
Bigtruck why not take the Test with EQ instead of the Deca and forget about the "Deca" gyno. So if you are getting it, it's the Test. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 584 |
If your under 600mg per week (I recommend 400mg/wk) then *most* people are okay and I think you'lle be fine.......but.......that is coming from some one who got progestinic gyno from only 200mg of deca with winny involved. I'm a sensitive freak who thanks the lord for EQ. You should be fine though. I'm with Huck on his post. Start the winny a week before to get those receptors occupied.....I'm going to try it with tren in Feb/Mar. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Jeff/gamer -- wish I'd thought of that (EQ). Already have the deca. | ||
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Cool Novice 
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since we are on the topic of cycle lengths, i was about to start winny again, i have only done one cycle of winny and it was for 6 weeks (inject. 50/eod) and i now i have some that i am gonna take orally. I have a enough to take 50/e.d up to 12 weeks, i am a baseball player and love the results of winny, not to much size, i keep my flexability and strength and endurance is great. whats the longest i should stay on for, i know 12 weeks might be a bit much but this is my year to get drafted and willing to do whatever it takes. obviously milk thistle and lots of water. any help please , thanks | ||
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Cool Novice
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bump | ||
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Guru
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E2 has composed an incredible list of liver buffering agents that could be used on an extended-use 17AA cycle.Maybe he will post it here for you...E2? | ||
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Freak 
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Huck, terrific answer, thanks I just learned something to use on my spring cutting cycle as I may use deca and winny at the start of it. Thanks Bro. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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BUMP FOR OUR LIVERS...HEHEHE!! ------------------ |
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posted December 19, 2000 12:15 PM
