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  Has anyone tried Mike Mentzer's Sublingual HGH ?

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Scotty

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posted December 18, 2000 12:51 PM

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If you have, what were the results ?

Thanks.


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supreme

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posted December 18, 2000 01:04 PM

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Yeah!!!

Mikes stuff is awesome! I stack it with Orchic,boron, gamma oryzanol, Inosine and ferulic acid.

It makes you huge & drops bodyfat like crazy!!!

mike is right!, you don't need steroids; just his training books & supplements and you will become.....

A BIG FAT FUCK JUST LIKE HIM!

j/k, save your money all that sublingual GH is garbage

I wish the mags would publish a picture of mike as he is now, but I suppose that would take up a 2 page add!

Later!



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Cornellius

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posted December 18, 2000 01:07 PM

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I haven�t, but I don�t think it works. Mentzer is a really smart guy, and can easly convince people about his thoughts.
Anyway his training method does work.


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supreme

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posted December 18, 2000 01:33 PM

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Mentzer smart???

This guy is a putz; he once took the gram total of 10 lbs. of LBM and divded it by 365 and said you only need to eat 5 extra grams of protein/day to gain 10lbs a year

He says shit like you should reach you genetic potential in 2-3 years

O.k. HIT trainig does work, but only because it imposes a new stimulus on the muscle, in first time trainers the strength gains are due to neural adaptation

I love his one set failure BS, he forgets all the "warm-up" sets he does

His ideas on training are srewed up; no gains, train less frequently

The late, great Dan Duchaine said it best- "mentzer is seriously ill, fucking mentally ill"

If you want to know how to train, get real books by on periodzation etc. by Fleck, Kraemer, Poliquin, Verhoshansky.etc.

oh an stay away from all the Weider shit also, he so dumb he makes mentzer look smart

I guess you can tell I hate Mentzer & Weider!!!




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KODIAK99

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posted December 18, 2000 01:37 PM

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Supreme, you almost had me. . .I started reading your post and I was about to throw all my gear out and than you were just kidding. By the way, sublingual HGH, from GNC or Mike Mentzer or any health supplement store is simply going to make the guys who sell, distribute and create, bigger. . .bigger wallets. . .the shit is snake oil, Sorry.

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GymRatSD

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posted December 18, 2000 01:40 PM

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Even if there was real hGH in the product (which I doubt since it's a horribly expensive raw product to produce), it would be destroyed by the enzymes in the mouth and the acids in the stomach rendering it completely useless.


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Hugh Gellatts

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posted December 18, 2000 01:57 PM

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It is probably bottled jizz.


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supreme

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posted December 18, 2000 03:59 PM

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Bumping back up so Scotty dosen't waste his4

oh, and the idea bottled jizz is just foul!


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JuanDeLaCruz

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posted December 18, 2000 04:25 PM

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I don't trust Mike Mentzer as far as I can throw him! He had a great body back in the seventies, but it was built with Deca and D-bol not with his bullshit scam products. He is only trying to make money and will scam you the very first chance he gets. Mike is a frustrated, angry, out of shape old-man who blames Arnold Schwarzenegger and Joe Weider for all his short-comings in life!

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MeanOne

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posted December 18, 2000 06:15 PM

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Okay, not to interupt the "Bash Mike Mentzer" arty here, but I think you guys need to take a few steps back. The thoeries and scientific evidence which his system is based on is not only sound, but proven to be correct, time after time. You need to take the major pionts, and apply them to yourself. How many guys here have gained 13lbs a month naturally, with 20sets 2 times a week per bodypart? That's what my average client gains for the first three months of training under me. They perform between 3-6 sets per bodypart, 2 times a week.
20 sets may be good if you were using it for aerobic benefit, or in hopes of burning calories for contests, but not for adding bulk and mass.
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Scotty

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posted December 18, 2000 10:09 PM

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Thanks for the replies.

Bump.


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supreme

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posted December 19, 2000 01:01 AM

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hey MeanOne

Its great that your clients make such quick gains, your training seems to be right on for novices

HIT training is good from both a muscular & hormonal point of view as you stimulate type IIb fibers and increases in test & GH but...

Fat mike would say you were over training your clients, he would say 1 set/exercise /body part anywhere from every once 7-14 days would be enough

I know of no athlete that does 1 set every 7+ days per body part.

Keep up the good work, but don't listen to Mentzer-no one else does

remember I am not bashing you, just that fat, annoying lump of shit mentzer



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Gatecrasher

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posted December 19, 2000 03:41 AM

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In addition to drinking his own piss on a regular basis, Mentzer claims that his training theory is the only valid theory of exercise science; he says everyone else is wrong. We all know this is complete bullshit.. but I have to give the guy credit he looked great in his prime. If I am not mistaken, Arnold was booed off the stage in Australia at the 1980 Olympia when Arnie took 1st.

GC


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Scotty

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posted December 19, 2000 07:34 AM

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bump.


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anabolic24/7

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posted December 19, 2000 08:10 AM

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save your money bro,legal supplements do not work.placebo effect only


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MeanOne

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posted December 19, 2000 12:11 PM

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Supreme, I took no offense what-so-ever. While I am aware what Mike would say, I chose 3 sets for a very perposeful reason. I do beleive that only 1 set of 100% intesity is need to muscular growth, but I also feel that nobody can do it right the first time, every time, so I give them 3 shots at it. I think how low his training frequency is, is fully inasane, and he should be tied up for it, but the very idea that training should be infrequent, breif, and intense is solid. JUST NOT THAT INFREQUENT MIKE! Also, I've had very experienced clients who came to me, and added more muscle mass in 3-5 months than they had in the past 2-3 years. Effective training is not only for the new. YOu will see that pro's such as Nasser El Sonbaty, and Jay Cutter still train like they did why back in the day. Peace Out - MEANONE

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Stillhere

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posted December 19, 2000 05:04 PM

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Well I go some good results. I gained 20# and lost alot of bf. I am a huge MOFO!!!!


SAVE your money, that shit does not work and as far as I can see, it will not work for a while.
The molecules are way too big to enter even in the thin linnings (sublingualy).


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supreme

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posted December 19, 2000 06:47 PM

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Actually the suppossed GH molecule is not to large for sublingual use; I believe its the fact that raw GH is way too expensive & these products offer nanogram dosages, so they could in no way be effective. Supposedly the low dose stimulates your pituitary to release more GH.

Stick to other methods like exercise, xanthol nicotinate and possibly L-tryptophan and even high dose glutamine or just stick an I.U. or 2 in yourself/day


One last Mentzer bash: he states his is the only valid theory of weight training

In research one something is prove to be valid, reliable & objective and the results can be reproduced on a consistent basis ITS NO LONGER A THEORY! but an accepted principle/formula. Mentzer is such an asshole!!!


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